Topic: A daughter of lesbians looks back on her traumatic upbringing
Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago #40,576
GAY PARENTING BTFO
> I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.
> Do you remember that book, “Heather Has Two Mommies”? That was my life. My mom, her partner, and I lived in a cozy little house in the ‘burbs of a very liberal and open-minded area. Her partner treated me as if I was her own daughter. Along with my mom’s partner, I also inherited her tight-knit community of gay and lesbian friends. Or maybe they inherited me?
> I’m writing to you because I’m letting myself out of the closet: I don’t support gay marriage.
> Growing up, and even into my 20s, I supported and advocated for gay marriage. It’s only with some time and distance from my childhood that I’m able to reflect on my experiences and recognize the long-term consequences that same-sex parenting had on me. And it’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.
> (…) by and large, the best and most successful family structure is one in which kids are being raised by both their mother and father.
> >Why Can’t Gay People’s Kids Be Honest?
> Gay marriage doesn’t just redefine marriage, but also parenting. It promotes and normalizes a family structure that necessarily denies us something precious and foundational. It denies us something we need and long for, while at the same time tells us that we don’t need what we naturally crave. That we will be okay. But we’re not. We’re hurting.
> Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”
> But children of same-sex parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.
> >https://archive.today/Z85EL
> >http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/
REMINDER THAT THIS ANECDOTE IS BACKED BY ACTUAL RESEARCH
> Joint biological parents are associated with the lowest rate of child emotional problems by a factor of 4 relative to same-sex parents even when controlled for problems resulting from adoption.
> >http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2500537
Why gays can't do like Based KGB Man of Kremlin said and just leave the children alone?
> I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.
> Do you remember that book, “Heather Has Two Mommies”? That was my life. My mom, her partner, and I lived in a cozy little house in the ‘burbs of a very liberal and open-minded area. Her partner treated me as if I was her own daughter. Along with my mom’s partner, I also inherited her tight-knit community of gay and lesbian friends. Or maybe they inherited me?
> I’m writing to you because I’m letting myself out of the closet: I don’t support gay marriage.
> Growing up, and even into my 20s, I supported and advocated for gay marriage. It’s only with some time and distance from my childhood that I’m able to reflect on my experiences and recognize the long-term consequences that same-sex parenting had on me. And it’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.
> (…) by and large, the best and most successful family structure is one in which kids are being raised by both their mother and father.
> >Why Can’t Gay People’s Kids Be Honest?
> Gay marriage doesn’t just redefine marriage, but also parenting. It promotes and normalizes a family structure that necessarily denies us something precious and foundational. It denies us something we need and long for, while at the same time tells us that we don’t need what we naturally crave. That we will be okay. But we’re not. We’re hurting.
> Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”
> But children of same-sex parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.
> >https://archive.today/Z85EL
> >http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/
REMINDER THAT THIS ANECDOTE IS BACKED BY ACTUAL RESEARCH
> Joint biological parents are associated with the lowest rate of child emotional problems by a factor of 4 relative to same-sex parents even when controlled for problems resulting from adoption.
> >http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2500537
Why gays can't do like Based KGB Man of Kremlin said and just leave the children alone?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 15 minutes later[^] [v] #540,458
I'll see your anecdote and raise you one Cambridge University study utilising 35 years worth of research, you reasonable person you.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/supportive-families-help-children-to-flourish-no-matter-what-their-structure-10101810.html?origin=internalSearch
Children brought up by two mothers, two fathers or single parents fare no worse than those from traditional families, according to a major Cambridge University study which challenges conservative parenting assumptions.
Susan Golombok has brought together more than 35 years of research into modern families from around the world to examine the outcomes for children. She concludes: “Children are most likely to flourish in families that provide love, security and support, whatever their family structure; and prejudice and discrimination are bad for children, whatever their family structure.”
Her findings undermine centuries-held assumptions that the traditional pairing of a man and woman represents the gold standard for bringing up children.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/supportive-families-help-children-to-flourish-no-matter-what-their-structure-10101810.html?origin=internalSearch
Children brought up by two mothers, two fathers or single parents fare no worse than those from traditional families, according to a major Cambridge University study which challenges conservative parenting assumptions.
Susan Golombok has brought together more than 35 years of research into modern families from around the world to examine the outcomes for children. She concludes: “Children are most likely to flourish in families that provide love, security and support, whatever their family structure; and prejudice and discrimination are bad for children, whatever their family structure.”
Her findings undermine centuries-held assumptions that the traditional pairing of a man and woman represents the gold standard for bringing up children.
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kook !!mCVqftDha joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 20 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #540,470
Where is the trauma?
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #540,472
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 6 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #540,480
@540,470 (kook !!mCVqftDha)
Huh. Now that you mention it, none is immediately apparent, is it?
Skimming the article, she says that she felt angry over her dad not being there, and seems to mention bad experiences from seeing homophobic protesters, but that's all I can see. Neither of those things are the fault of gay parents, really.
Huh. Now that you mention it, none is immediately apparent, is it?
Skimming the article, she says that she felt angry over her dad not being there, and seems to mention bad experiences from seeing homophobic protesters, but that's all I can see. Neither of those things are the fault of gay parents, really.
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kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 11 years ago, 9 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #540,483
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what if like, you got five dads all sucking eahc other's ass all the time
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too mad, didn’t read
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 39 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,745
> be raised by happy parents
> have a good childhood
> still complains
Ungrateful bitch, probably would have whined about not having same-sex parents if she were born into a nuclear family.
Maybe she qualifies for forced euthanasia.
> have a good childhood
> still complains
Ungrateful bitch, probably would have whined about not having same-sex parents if she were born into a nuclear family.
Maybe she qualifies for forced euthanasia.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,747
@540,470 (kook !!mCVqftDha)> Where is the trauma?
Here is a real example of a trauma when being raised by lesbian parents.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html
Anonymous L double-posted this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,752
@540,458 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
There's surveys saying the opposite.
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/06/5640/
http://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/new-studies-challenge-established-views-about-the-development-of-children-raised-by-gay-or-lesbian-parents
There's surveys saying the opposite.
http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/06/5640/
http://www.elsevier.com/about/press-releases/research-and-journals/new-studies-challenge-established-views-about-the-development-of-children-raised-by-gay-or-lesbian-parents
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,756
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,768
@540,752 (L)
Less evidence than the study I linked to. That study examines 35 years worth of research, which neither of yours seem to match. In addition, the studies that you linked to all include participants from the USA only. Meanwhile, the study that I have linked to includes participants from countries around the world, making it more representative and thus more valid.
Also, the second paper you linked does not say the opposite. It claims only that there is insufficient data to draw a solid conclusion either way. So it doesn't support your argument.
Less evidence than the study I linked to. That study examines 35 years worth of research, which neither of yours seem to match. In addition, the studies that you linked to all include participants from the USA only. Meanwhile, the study that I have linked to includes participants from countries around the world, making it more representative and thus more valid.
Also, the second paper you linked does not say the opposite. It claims only that there is insufficient data to draw a solid conclusion either way. So it doesn't support your argument.
Anonymous L replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,770
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964063/Gay-mom-says-gay-want-daughter-gay-too.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964063/Gay-mom-says-gay-want-daughter-gay-too.html
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,771
@previous (L)
Anecdote. This proves nothing about the wider question.
Otherwise, while I think that what that couple is doing is wrong, they do not represent all lesbian parents.
Anecdote. This proves nothing about the wider question.
Otherwise, while I think that what that couple is doing is wrong, they do not represent all lesbian parents.
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WSDphone !dBGi/iH4eY joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,804
Leonidas sure is obsessing over what homosexuals are up to.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,811
Gays can't reproduce, they can only recruit.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,812
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,865
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Not necessarily, mate. Artificial insemination is a popular option, these days, wherein a gay person can pass on their genes without needing to have sex.
Not necessarily, mate. Artificial insemination is a popular option, these days, wherein a gay person can pass on their genes without needing to have sex.
kook !!mCVqftDha replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,900
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #540,936
@previous (kook !!mCVqftDha)
It makes sexuality irrelevant, though. Theoretically, a gay woman could use the genetic material of a gay man.
It makes sexuality irrelevant, though. Theoretically, a gay woman could use the genetic material of a gay man.