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Topic: the future could possibly be a dystopia

Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago #40,504

Watching 60 minutes and apparently Chinese goods are sometimes just simply dangerous and they can be all around us.

Like some kind of fake-wood flooring had such high levels of a carcinogenic chemicals that one of the labs testing
the flooring thought their machine was broken. The manufacturer appears to know about this since his company claims
to keep a tight watch on regulation laws.


Who owns the company that is making this in china? An American. So if we are going to be importing stuff without testing it for quality laws, then i would say we might as well throw those regulations in the shitter.

squeegee joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 18 minutes later[^] [v] #539,323

you would like to read about the eggnog conspiracy

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 8 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #539,324

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squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 28 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #539,325

the eggnog conspiracy

This is what you just put in our Mouth: a scientific (and hilarious) look at the ingredient list of various household items, from Fix-a-Flat to Cool Whip. by Patrick_Di_Justo
What really happened with eggnog?

I was talking with a food chemist about eggnog, and mentioned some weird thing I had found: The FDA's definition for eggnog, said that eggnog may not contain any sort of yellow food coloring, which would make the public think that there were more eggs in the nog then there were. That would be misleading, that would be fraud, and that would be wrong. Yet, if you go to the store and look at commercial eggnog, nearly all of them have some form of yellow food coloring. What sort of loop hole exists, I wondered.

The food chemist got really quiet, and in a conspiratorial whisper she said that this sort of thing happens all the time. She suggested I talked to a professor of food regulation law.

So I found a law professor who does that sort of thing. I told him about the FDA regulations on eggnog, told him that most eggnog manufacturers violate the regulation, and asked him what the loophole was. He got very quiet, and I heard him tap away on his computer. He came back and said that if he were advising these companies, he'd tell them to stop using yellow food coloring immediately, as there was no loophole he could find. He suggested I talk to a lawyer who actually does food regulation litigation.

So I looked up the largest law firm in that did that kind of thing. They put me in touch with the partner emeritus, the old guy that law firms put out to talk to the press. I told him the story. You could practically hear his excitement crackle through the phone: he was on the case! If he put the phone down on the desk, and not on hold, so I could hear him bark orders to his minions. "Get me the Federal regulations! Get me the latest decisions! Get me more coffee!" He was having the time of his retired life. Finally, he came back on the phone. "Young fella," he said, "this story is big!" If the story got traction, he said, it would bust the FDA wide open!

Bust open the FDA! "I'd like to accept this Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Journalism..."

"What action will the FDA take," I asked.

The lawyer asked when the story would come out? End of November... hmm, early Decmber... hmm. He opined that the FDA would probably remove all egg nog from store shelves. Right before Christmas.

Thirty seconds before I had visions of winning prizes. Now I had visions of being lynched by angry egg nog starved mobs. I would be the Man Who Destroyed Christmas.

Fortunately, there was a loophole.

So, after a buttload of more research, which involved interviews with the American Dairy Association and the National Archives, we finally found the eggnog loophole.

Back in 1981, the FDA put forth the prohibition on yellow food coloring in eggnog. In 1982, the eggnog manufacturers rose up in protest. The public demands yellow eggnog, they claimed. Not using yellow food coloring would put us at a disadvantage!

So the FDA compromised. They said that the law against yellow would remain on the books, but that it would not be enforced, at least until a proper hearing could be held in which both sides could present their case.

That was in 1982. Thirty three years ago. The FDA has no records indicating that the hearing was ever held.

Think about that. Everyone who was at the FDA in 1982 is either retired or dead now. No one at the FDA even remembers that there was supposed to be a hearing on eggnog. Face it, there never will be a hearing on the use of yellow food coloring in eggnog. The law will remain on the books, but it will never be enforced.

Now, here's something for /r/nosleep: We know this story about eggnog. But how many other foodstuffs are operating under the same "arrangement": technically forbidden, but realistically allowed? We may never know the answer.

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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #539,327

@previous (squeegee)
Why the hell would anyone want to drink eggnog anyway? If the thought of drinking eggs mixed with anything doesn't make at least a little bit of sick come up in the back of your mouth, there is something seriously wrong with you.

squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #539,328

@previous (D)
you can just replace eggnog with a whole bunch of chemicals and products that are "technically forbidden, realistically allowed."
making a law and not giving it teeth is the same thing as de-funding agencies to the point enforcement is impossible.
tax cuts and all the tradeoffs and loop holes like the Eggnog Loophole make for way less actual prevention then you would think.

that's part of the reason, imho, that the government should ensure universal healthcare. If the actions of the government lead to a population that only thinks it is safe, and not actually safe, then the government should be responsible for causing the harm. imo.

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swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #539,341

@539,325 (squeegee)
You frequent nosleep?

squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #539,343

@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
i'm aware of it. That was from an AMA with the author of that book and he just mentions /r/nosleep to imply it should keep us up at might that there could be other products that are "technically restricted, realistically allowed." but his book dealt strictly with foods.

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FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #539,349

@539,325 (squeegee)
So, is there someone wrong with me that I don't care?

squeegee replied with this 11 years ago, 18 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #539,355

@previous (FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI)
no. well, that's just how government operates. if stuff like this didn't happen then nothing would happen.
i mean they'll cure cancer eventually, so

FuckAlms !vX8K53rFBI replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #539,357

@previous (squeegee)
I mean, we're already living in a dystopia, so it's not like anything is going to change drastically.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 28 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #539,359

@539,355 (squeegee)
Only if it is profitable to do so, and only if that profitability can be protected by litigation. Otherwise, no. Treatment is profitable. Enjoy your cancer. Thanks.

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #539,367

@539,325 (squeegee)

That is messed up. I think it was less then 4 years ago when FDA also talked about how BPA has not health risks at all. Its almost as if the world never was prepared for the rise of synthetic chemicals
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