Anonymous A started this discussion 11 years ago#38,907
As I understand it (and I am not a Buddhist), the Buddha taught that all suffering comes from desire, and the lack of obtaining the objects of that desire. Thus, if one can eliminate desire, one can thereby eliminate suffering.
But I wonder, how does a Buddhist deal with things like accidents and natural disasters? If one is accidentally hit by a car, one suffers, but how can that suffering be cause by desire? Please enlighten me. I want to know.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later[^][v]#518,714
Because you desired not to be hit by a car. Therefore, your desire was your undoing.
(tbh I don't know. There's probably some other aspect of it that deals with stuff like this, or some excuse that gets around it. But it's all bullshit so whatever.)
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 minutes after the original post[^][v]#518,715
But Buddha defined desire as wanting things that we cannot have, not just generally not wanting pain.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^][v]#518,718
@previous (A)
That wasn't a serious reply, as I clarified in the brackets.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 16 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^][v]#518,732
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,748
I would say that accidents are no accidents. while we don't specifically ask for anything.. we are asking with how we feel and how we see things and we are telling the world what we believe based upon how we feel about it.
I firmly believe we are God in hiding. this means no one is torturing anyone but ourselves against our selves.
now to me the Buddha has taken the lazy way out and just not participating in the world and enjoying what the world has to offer and why we came. I am trying to stay in the world while still understanding that desires exist and in fact is the fuel necessary for accomplishing anything the secret seems to be not holding on to the accomplishments and continuing to move on and forward and find a new and better ways of being and doing.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,749
@previous (D)
In your view, what happens after death?
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,750
we return to the formless that we came from. I struggle with the idea of what it means to be an old soul or a new soul or if any of these things actually are or just appear to exist. I used to think that I was an old soul but it is also possible that the calmness and nurturing environment that I was raised in produced me particularly different from my brother as I've gotten older I have seen the tension that my mother goes through when first experiencing anything. I, the second child, think the difference in her relaxation made all the difference in who I started out to be and where I began which means making me and older soul but really perhaps better put a product of matured souls that are comfortable living in this world. my actual point being the state of mind seems to be very important in your ability to produce versus some natural ability that I have that would be attributed to being an old soul.
what you most likely think of as yourself however is a very awesome creation that is used to have experience based upon a certain set of parameters and I am more convinced than ever that thinking of life like a character in World of Warcraft something that you choose you want to play and that there really is nothing else to do.
basically this or no thing (nothing)
I think it is extraordinarily fun for us to overcome these parameters consider if you are God what kind of a game would you set up for yourself how hard would it be?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,751
@previous (D)
Interesting. So, so you believe in reincarnation? I do. I am 100% certain that I was a prince or ruler in VERY ancient India.
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,753
I get the sense that I could come back, have been back, and have play this game innumerable times.
I get tired of things very quickly. my lack of interest in things that I find later till then or would have been destructive to me to be very interesting. there are things that I appeared to have a natural ability for and other things that given my attention and focus I grew and developed new talent.
all-powerful omnipotent being does what ever it wants ;) here in forum I get the sense that we are all that so limitation exists only so that we can cooperate and play this game together without doing it alone which is really boring.
I honestly think that we created all this because we were bored to give ourselves something to do because we're literally it. there is nothing to do, no problems either... we actually create problems just so we can fix them. we screw up the Rubik's Cube just to solve it again... over and over and over again no ones making us do it we can set it down and anytime.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 57 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,754
@previous (D)
Possible. But, won't an old soul eventually want peace and rest? What happens then? Surely we will become tired of the game?
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,755
Buddha was such a soul. He came from a time in which suffering was at a minimum and people were actually enjoying their life but were not looking forward to the endless repeating cycle of birth and death. for them reincarnation was a curse something that they were trying to get away from.
so buddha's method was in fact to help these souls to release and relinquish all desire which then in turn extinguishes your individuated flame...
important to know that nobody is making us do anything
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,757
@previous (D)
I see. So, when I die, may I simply choose to stop reincarnating? Also, I thought Buddha was a prince who saw such great suffering in the world, taht he wanted an answer?
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,760
I think you will reincarnate as long as desire is in you to do so. I know it seems strange but it is life at...people do not recognize their own desires. I just saw a post about 50 shades of grey which is a very pornographic book that house wives were reading this is a great example of Undisclosed Desires that they themselves would not admit to having.
So Buddha was seeing these people claiming to be suffering from forced reincarnation. when they insist they did not desire to be here Buddha arrived to show them how to get around and find their hidden desires and eliminate them so they could be released which was ironically now their new desire and another desire that they had to be careful to not have so they wouldn't be reborn.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 11 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,763
@previous (D)
I thought he saw them suffering from the miseries of life and poverty?
Anonymous D replied with this 11 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,764
well I was not there but according to OSHO Buddha lived in time of paradise, wealth and prosperity.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,791
You are mixing things up. There are two different things that you're confusing. The first of the Four Noble Truths is "All is suffering." That is to say, all life is suffering. The second truth is "Suffering comes from desire". You misunderstand here and read it to mean that all suffering in life originates because of human desire. This is not the case. What it's saying is that desire causes suffering, because desire is so often unfulfilled.
The first is exterior, the second is interior. You suffer more in a car accident because
1) You have been hurt
2) You desired not to be hurt, which went unfulfilled
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,794
> As I understand it (and I am not a Buddhist), the Buddha taught that all suffering comes from desire, and the lack of obtaining the objects of that desire. Thus, if one can eliminate desire, one can thereby eliminate suffering. > > But I wonder, how does a Buddhist deal with things like accidents and natural disasters? If one is accidentally hit by a car, one suffers, but how can that suffering be cause by desire? Please enlighten me. I want to know.
"Accidents happen"
its a part of being human and is one of the things that seperates us from being perfect
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 5 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,849
@518,714 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Damn dude harsh
How is cessation of suffering bullshit
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,850
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 11 years ago, 28 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,860
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
All of Buddhism is bullshit you guys
It's a religion. Where's the science? Where's the logic? I'm going to go jack off to richard Dawkins and watch MLP
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 11 years ago, 12 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,865
@previous (H)
I thought that mentioning I didn't believe in Buddhism would set some people off. Because, apparently being skeptical of religion is frowned upon. I didn't even want to have a whole 'mother conversation about this. :-/
And, really, I don't even watch MLP anymore. I wish you guys would accept that. :'(
Anonymous G replied with this 11 years ago, 6 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#518,984
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Buddhism is techincally flawless take it up with Shakyamuni
Once a pony freak always a pony freak in my book
Just kidding you are a different person today than you were yesterday and from when you watched MLP
But I will still call you a pony freak for fun