Anonymous A started this discussion 12 years ago#37,834
I am not a Capitalism supporter either. But, I do believe that one must work in order to live. Please explain exactly which economic policy you endorse, so I can understand. Thank you.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,463
> one must work in order to live.
don't the people who live without working disprove this?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,464
@previous (C)
No, because, by extension, if they are not working, then someone is working and supporting them.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 33 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,465
@507,463 (C)
Which people live without working? Most people "living without working" merely do so on the backs of other's, i.e. by being scroungers content to live off benefits their entire lives.
Anonymous D double-posted this 12 years ago, 35 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,466
Also holy fuck I actually agree with Matt on something.
Anonymous C replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,467
Are many rich people then not having others supporting them? Some of them don't grow their food, build their cars or even cook. Are the working class, perhaps the extension of those who work for others?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,469
@previous (C)
Then let's define "work". I would define it as "exchanging goods, services, or labor for the necessities of life." How would you define it?
Anonymous C replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,476
Lets say that i agree, don't the rich still live of other peoples work?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,483
@previous (C)
Yes they do in a sense, but they also work, in the sense that a CEO does important, hard work too. As for old money families who sit around and do nothing, then yes, they in fact do live off of the work of others.
Anonymous C replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,489
But we see news like CEO's get 200 times the salary of a average worker. Do you expect that a system such as that would be supported by workers?
How can it be that while you seem to be advocating the virtues of working, you support capitalism, a system where people have so much money that they can purchase other peoples work that they never would have been capable of working for through several lifetimes.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,499
@507,483 (A)
CEOs do such hard work. One time, they had to go to a press conference, and they had to stand at a podium the whole two hours. That's equivalent to factory work, right?
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 36 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,501
@previous (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
Your ignorance is astounding, if you think CEOs do not work hard.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 37 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,504
@previous (F)
All CEOs are rent-seekers and none of them do any meaningful work thanks.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 12 years ago, 22 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,505
@507,501 (F)
Ah yes, the intense, sweaty manual labor of telling other people what to do and getting paid up 200 times what they do.
It's almost like the slave days! Maybe that's why McPsychopath likes capitalism so much.
Anonymous F replied with this 12 years ago, 11 seconds later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,506
@507,504 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Spoken like a true factory floor worker.
Anonymous C replied with this 12 years ago, 58 seconds later, 39 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,507
But they are not being paid for their work. Their massive salaries are to support an image, the image that makes investors think the company/corporation is doing just fine.
Anonymous F replied with this 12 years ago, 51 seconds later, 40 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,509
@previous (C)
I agree. My point is that people must somehow work to live. Vocalon thinks a society of non-workers is sustainable.
vocalon !74TdoRkjCc replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 42 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,511
@507,507 (C)
Their massive salaries are to make them look like they're doing just fine, when in reality, they're better than fine, and they have to spend money to make themselves look worse.
Capitalism. It's worth supporting.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,514
@507,505 (vocalon !74TdoRkjCc)
Just FYI that 200x figure is pretty exaggerated. If you look at government figures (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/ocwage.pdf page 9) there are about 250,000 CEOs whose median wage is about $82. That's good money, yes, but you can definitely earn more than that doing other things. Pretty much any mid-level job in finance will get you that, lawyers charge WAY more than that, etc.
Anonymous C replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 46 minutes after the original post[^][v]#507,515
The worst thing about capitalism is that all its glory is credited to capitalism, but all its unfairness and backward nature gets credited to something else. Thats how Ideology works.
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#507,524
My mom doesn't work, never has, and doesn't take welfare or alimony either. I have no idea how she's living but she's managing to live pretty well.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 59 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#507,552
@previous (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM)
Pakistanis live off photosnthesis. Thanks.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#507,559
@507,524 (Triptych !!/xkPL9myM) > I have no idea how she's living
A mixture of debt-servicing and hyperinflationary money-supply injection. Thanks.
Triptych !!/xkPL9myM replied with this 12 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#507,569