Topic: I think I understand our Middle East policy now.
Metæ started this discussion 12 years ago #36,455
> if we keep kicking this ant hill, the fire ants will welcome us as liberators
squeegee joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later[^] [v] #496,900
why not bomb it then? if you bomb an anthill you pretty effectively get rid of it. they should try bombing the middle east instead of kicking it.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 43 seconds later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #496,901
> expect Meta
> receive Meta
> receive Meta
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 15 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #496,907
@496,900 (squeegee)
Because we might hurt Israel, since they're so close to --Al Qaeda-- --ISIS-- --ISIL-- --IS-- scary Ay-rab terr'ists who hate us for our freedumbs.
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> [expecting intensifies]
Because we might hurt Israel, since they're so close to --Al Qaeda-- --ISIS-- --ISIL-- --IS-- scary Ay-rab terr'ists who hate us for our freedumbs.
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> [expecting intensifies]
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #496,910
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #496,912
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #496,913
Also, hang on...
When you say "our Middle East policy", are you talking about Minichan? I didn't know we had a policy on that place.
@496,910 (D)
Ah- but I was expecting your expectation of my expecting.
You weren't expecting that, I expect.
When you say "our Middle East policy", are you talking about Minichan? I didn't know we had a policy on that place.
@496,910 (D)
Ah- but I was expecting your expectation of my expecting.
You weren't expecting that, I expect.
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #496,916
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
When I say "our" Middle East policy, I mean USAmerica's though UKEnglishians seem to march more or less to the same tune.
When I say "our" Middle East policy, I mean USAmerica's though UKEnglishians seem to march more or less to the same tune.
Metæ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #497,132
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,137
@previous
i wish i understood enough about this to disagree with you. since i don't i'll just ignore you.
i wish i understood enough about this to disagree with you. since i don't i'll just ignore you.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,164
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,170
> muh moderate rebels
ISIS has signed a peace treaty with the "moderate rebels" so once the Assad government in Syria falls, ISIS will have a whole country. It's a good thing we're trying to take down both Assad and ISIS, thus ensuring whichever side comes out on top, they'll hate America. Let freedumb ring!
It's also believed that recently beheaded American-Israeli journalist Steven Sotloff was sold by the "moderate rebels" to ISIS.
ISIS has signed a peace treaty with the "moderate rebels" so once the Assad government in Syria falls, ISIS will have a whole country. It's a good thing we're trying to take down both Assad and ISIS, thus ensuring whichever side comes out on top, they'll hate America. Let freedumb ring!
It's also believed that recently beheaded American-Israeli journalist Steven Sotloff was sold by the "moderate rebels" to ISIS.
Metæ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,171
@497,137 (squeegee)
We're forming a coalition of the willing to bomb Arabs for freedom and babby Jesus.
@497,164 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
It is, indeed.
We're forming a coalition of the willing to bomb Arabs for freedom and babby Jesus.
@497,164 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
It is, indeed.
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,201
Every single problem in the world is the West's fault. Muslims have no agency and every single action they take is ultimately America's fault. Ron Paul said so! Thanks.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 25 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,204
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,225
@497,201 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
> repeated wars of aggression, regime changes, sanctions, and CIA backed coups have no consequences
> repeated wars of aggression, regime changes, sanctions, and CIA backed coups have no consequences
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,227
@previous (Metæ)
Yes, I'm sure Sunni ISIS and her Wahhabi backers are motivated primarily by our sanctions upon Shiite Iran and that overthrow 60 years ago. Don't for a second entertain the thought that maybe they are, ultimately, motivated by their religion. Thanks.
Yes, I'm sure Sunni ISIS and her Wahhabi backers are motivated primarily by our sanctions upon Shiite Iran and that overthrow 60 years ago. Don't for a second entertain the thought that maybe they are, ultimately, motivated by their religion. Thanks.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,228
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 31 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #497,229
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 days later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,007
Reminder that, according to the Secretary of Homeland Security, there's no credible information that ISIS (or whatever they're called this week) plans to attack America. Of course, we're now giving them a good reason to with our discretionary war.
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,011
@previous (Metæ)
Do you really think the group that recently beheaded two US journalists and one British aid worker (Britain isn't even participating in the airstrikes) needs more motivation to attack the US?
Do you really think the group that recently beheaded two US journalists and one British aid worker (Britain isn't even participating in the airstrikes) needs more motivation to attack the US?
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,014
@497,227 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
I'm sure they are motivated by some interpretation of Islam (lest we forget, Christianity and really any religion can be used in this way see: Crusades). But we shouldn't be giving them any reason to hate us by going over there and doing regime changes and bombings and discretionary wars. If Muslims in the Middle East want to be backwards and violent, that's their thing: America shouldn't have any part of it. Instead of trying to build a scale model America over there, we should let the Iraqis and Syrians and Iranians who do want freedom to immigrate here.
I'm sure they are motivated by some interpretation of Islam (lest we forget, Christianity and really any religion can be used in this way see: Crusades). But we shouldn't be giving them any reason to hate us by going over there and doing regime changes and bombings and discretionary wars. If Muslims in the Middle East want to be backwards and violent, that's their thing: America shouldn't have any part of it. Instead of trying to build a scale model America over there, we should let the Iraqis and Syrians and Iranians who do want freedom to immigrate here.
(Edited 52 seconds later.)
Metæ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 12 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,019
@498,011 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
It would have been far cheaper to just pay the ransom. These airstrikes are going to cost in the hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of dollars and who knows how many lives. It's not said how much the ransom was but I bet it was less than that. Even if it was tuppence, the UK unequivocally refused to consider paying it for their journalist. Also Sotloff's family spokesman said the White House did nothing to help them and Foley's parents say they were threatened with prosecution if they tried to raise money for a ransom.
It would have been far cheaper to just pay the ransom. These airstrikes are going to cost in the hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of dollars and who knows how many lives. It's not said how much the ransom was but I bet it was less than that. Even if it was tuppence, the UK unequivocally refused to consider paying it for their journalist. Also Sotloff's family spokesman said the White House did nothing to help them and Foley's parents say they were threatened with prosecution if they tried to raise money for a ransom.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,021
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,023
@498,011 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)Should we lob some missiles at Pyongyang because Matthew Miller has been unjustly sentenced to six years hard labor on trumped up charges?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,028
@498,019 (Metæ)
The U.S. doesn't pay ransom on principle, so there is no world in which that happens, especially not since Obama caught a lot of flack for the Berghdal prisoner exchange (different context, but similar enough to probably squash any chance of Obama "negotiating" with a terrorist group). I imagine the UK has a similar "No negotiating with terrorists" rule, but I'm not too familiar with UK politics. I don't see why that's a problem.
And yes it is very illegal to raise money to help fund a terrorist organization. I don't know what the administration officials told them, but even assuming they were so tactless as to flat out tell them "If you raise money we will prosecute you", it's a shitty way to treat his family, and horrible PR, but at the end of the day, true.
The U.S. doesn't pay ransom on principle, so there is no world in which that happens, especially not since Obama caught a lot of flack for the Berghdal prisoner exchange (different context, but similar enough to probably squash any chance of Obama "negotiating" with a terrorist group). I imagine the UK has a similar "No negotiating with terrorists" rule, but I'm not too familiar with UK politics. I don't see why that's a problem.
And yes it is very illegal to raise money to help fund a terrorist organization. I don't know what the administration officials told them, but even assuming they were so tactless as to flat out tell them "If you raise money we will prosecute you", it's a shitty way to treat his family, and horrible PR, but at the end of the day, true.
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swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 9 seconds later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,029
Syntax joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 7 seconds later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,031
> These airstrikes are going to cost in the hundreds of millions, perhaps billions of dollars and who knows how many lives.
As IF that will make one iota of difference. After all in the past its never been a road block to war.
A Quick copypasta of Muslim wars
14 Past holy wars
14.1 Early Islam (622-634)
14.2 Shia Martyrdom (680)
14.3 Execution of Christians in Córdoba (850-859)
14.4 Anti-Jewish violence in Muslim Spain (1010-1013)
14.5 Pogrom in Fez (1033)
14.6 Massacre of Jews in Granada (1066)
14.7 Almohads of Spain
14.8 The Assassins (1124)
14.9 Forced conversions of Jews in Yemen
14.10 Ibn Taymiyyah
14.11 Bahmani sultans (1347-1480)
14.12 Timur (Tamerlane)
14.13 Fes Massacre (1465)
14.14 Safavid kings (1501)
14.15 Massacre after the battle of Chitod (1568)
14.16 Barbary pirates
14.17 Expulsion of Jews from Yemen (1679-1680)
14.18 Massacre of Jews in Safed (1660)
14.19 Rise of Wahhabism (1744)
14.20 el Djezzar (1783-1801)
14.21 Tetouan Pogrom (1790)
14.22 Jihad in Africa (1810-1818)
14.23 Java War (1825-1830)
14.24 Suleika affair (1834)
14.25 Safed and Hebron violence (1834-1835)
14.26 Forced conversions of Jews in Iran (1838-1839)
14.27 Damascus Blood Libel (1840)
14.28 Massacres of the Assyrians (1840-1860)
14.29 Jihad in Africa (1861)
14.30 Rafin Jaki battle (1873)
14.31 April Uprising (1876-1912)
14.32 Jihad in Sudan and Egypt (1880)
14.33 Hamidian massacres (1894-1896)
14.34 Settat and Taza pogrom 1903/1907
14.35 Greek Genocide (1914-1923)
14.36 Arab riots 1920-1921
14.37 Moplah rebellion
14.38 Forced conversion of Jewish orphans in Yemen
14.39 Muslim Brotherhood
14.40 Hebron massacre
14.41 Simele massacre
14.42 Jaffa Massacre
14.43 Rashid Ali coup
14.44 Farhud pogrom
More of course post WW2
A short history of Christian Wars
The Crusades, 11th, 12th, and 13th-century religiously sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Christian Europe against Muslim Persia and Middle East.
The Herem referred to in the Hebrew Bible.
Reconquista
Seisen, the name given by Showa era propaganda to the Second Sino-Japanese War, based on the slogan hakko ichiu.
Taiping Rebellion
Spread of Islam
Jewish–Roman wars
Arab-Israeli Wars (no apology for sticking Jews in with Christians)
Way of the Celestial Masters
Five Pecks of Rice Rebellion
The Inquisition
Jihad (generally translated into English as "Holy War"), in Islam
Wars of Religion (France)
European wars of religion
God's Army (revolutionary group)
Lord's Resistance Army
National Resistance Army
As IF that will make one iota of difference. After all in the past its never been a road block to war.
A Quick copypasta of Muslim wars
14 Past holy wars
14.1 Early Islam (622-634)
14.2 Shia Martyrdom (680)
14.3 Execution of Christians in Córdoba (850-859)
14.4 Anti-Jewish violence in Muslim Spain (1010-1013)
14.5 Pogrom in Fez (1033)
14.6 Massacre of Jews in Granada (1066)
14.7 Almohads of Spain
14.8 The Assassins (1124)
14.9 Forced conversions of Jews in Yemen
14.10 Ibn Taymiyyah
14.11 Bahmani sultans (1347-1480)
14.12 Timur (Tamerlane)
14.13 Fes Massacre (1465)
14.14 Safavid kings (1501)
14.15 Massacre after the battle of Chitod (1568)
14.16 Barbary pirates
14.17 Expulsion of Jews from Yemen (1679-1680)
14.18 Massacre of Jews in Safed (1660)
14.19 Rise of Wahhabism (1744)
14.20 el Djezzar (1783-1801)
14.21 Tetouan Pogrom (1790)
14.22 Jihad in Africa (1810-1818)
14.23 Java War (1825-1830)
14.24 Suleika affair (1834)
14.25 Safed and Hebron violence (1834-1835)
14.26 Forced conversions of Jews in Iran (1838-1839)
14.27 Damascus Blood Libel (1840)
14.28 Massacres of the Assyrians (1840-1860)
14.29 Jihad in Africa (1861)
14.30 Rafin Jaki battle (1873)
14.31 April Uprising (1876-1912)
14.32 Jihad in Sudan and Egypt (1880)
14.33 Hamidian massacres (1894-1896)
14.34 Settat and Taza pogrom 1903/1907
14.35 Greek Genocide (1914-1923)
14.36 Arab riots 1920-1921
14.37 Moplah rebellion
14.38 Forced conversion of Jewish orphans in Yemen
14.39 Muslim Brotherhood
14.40 Hebron massacre
14.41 Simele massacre
14.42 Jaffa Massacre
14.43 Rashid Ali coup
14.44 Farhud pogrom
More of course post WW2
A short history of Christian Wars
The Crusades, 11th, 12th, and 13th-century religiously sanctioned military campaigns waged by much of Christian Europe against Muslim Persia and Middle East.
The Herem referred to in the Hebrew Bible.
Reconquista
Seisen, the name given by Showa era propaganda to the Second Sino-Japanese War, based on the slogan hakko ichiu.
Taiping Rebellion
Spread of Islam
Jewish–Roman wars
Arab-Israeli Wars (no apology for sticking Jews in with Christians)
Way of the Celestial Masters
Five Pecks of Rice Rebellion
The Inquisition
Jihad (generally translated into English as "Holy War"), in Islam
Wars of Religion (France)
European wars of religion
God's Army (revolutionary group)
Lord's Resistance Army
National Resistance Army
Anonymous H replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,033
@previous (Syntax)
This is a very important contribution to this thread and I cannot imagine how it would have otherwise been a comprehensive discussion.
This is a very important contribution to this thread and I cannot imagine how it would have otherwise been a comprehensive discussion.
Syntax replied with this 12 years ago, 25 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,047
@previous (H)
A year ago or more I reviewed a map of North Africa which attention to Arab states. I could not find a single one that I had not worked/lived in. Truly as a group TERRIFIC People. Even wayyyy back when I was first visited in my office in WDC by Saudi's who wanted to buy AWACS aircraft fully equipped with the highest most secure shit USA has and I wanted to laff at them. And at the tyme I would have NOT been allowed to visit them in Saudi Arabia. Jewish name on passport was just NOT allowed or even if a Christian name with passport stamped by Israel customs - NOT allowed to visit.
Saudi's invited me for a visit and I accepted. Treated with great respect. They had no clue I was laffing behind their backs YET that laff was on me cause US decided to sell them the AWACS aircraft,
I have spent hours days weeks months chatting with Arabs on Arab land about their holy wars and how they treat each others branch of Islam with such disrespect. The only thing I am sure of is that THEY WILL CONTINUE To hate the Other Arabs - Sunnis Shiites Kurd's Sufi's and about 5 other brands who mostly despise each other.
No matter wot we end up doing it will be all WRONG - Not that we can sit back n do nothing but there is also long term no way to win and history backs me up on this for eons now.
One can however make great friends at high levels to treat a common enemy real bad and back when Charlie Wilson (See Movie) decided to get Russia out of Afghanistan AND WE DID indeed we did but only to open the door to Bien Laden after our bug out.
So for a short period Mujahideen Tribes were free for a very short tyme with USA help then Bien Laden and then USA back in for the kill but alas that is on going towards FAIL basis
A year ago or more I reviewed a map of North Africa which attention to Arab states. I could not find a single one that I had not worked/lived in. Truly as a group TERRIFIC People. Even wayyyy back when I was first visited in my office in WDC by Saudi's who wanted to buy AWACS aircraft fully equipped with the highest most secure shit USA has and I wanted to laff at them. And at the tyme I would have NOT been allowed to visit them in Saudi Arabia. Jewish name on passport was just NOT allowed or even if a Christian name with passport stamped by Israel customs - NOT allowed to visit.
Saudi's invited me for a visit and I accepted. Treated with great respect. They had no clue I was laffing behind their backs YET that laff was on me cause US decided to sell them the AWACS aircraft,
I have spent hours days weeks months chatting with Arabs on Arab land about their holy wars and how they treat each others branch of Islam with such disrespect. The only thing I am sure of is that THEY WILL CONTINUE To hate the Other Arabs - Sunnis Shiites Kurd's Sufi's and about 5 other brands who mostly despise each other.
No matter wot we end up doing it will be all WRONG - Not that we can sit back n do nothing but there is also long term no way to win and history backs me up on this for eons now.
One can however make great friends at high levels to treat a common enemy real bad and back when Charlie Wilson (See Movie) decided to get Russia out of Afghanistan AND WE DID indeed we did but only to open the door to Bien Laden after our bug out.
So for a short period Mujahideen Tribes were free for a very short tyme with USA help then Bien Laden and then USA back in for the kill but alas that is on going towards FAIL basis
Anonymous H replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,051
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Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 51 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,073
@498,028 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
@498,029 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I see where the US/UK are coming from with the "we don't negotiate" hardline stance, but that shouldn't prevent private family efforts, imo. The ransom story horrified me, too. These poor people had their son about to be decapitated and they were threatened with criminal charges for trying to save him.
@498,029 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I see where the US/UK are coming from with the "we don't negotiate" hardline stance, but that shouldn't prevent private family efforts, imo. The ransom story horrified me, too. These poor people had their son about to be decapitated and they were threatened with criminal charges for trying to save him.
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #498,078
Third time is a charm.
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 4 days later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #500,689
We're now launching airstrikes inside Syria! America FUCK YEAH!!!! We'll bomb them ay-rabs into freedumb! This can only end well and will not be anything at all like Libya or Afghanistan or Iraq. If any Syrians do come over here, they'll do so only to express their heartfelt gratitude for Tomahawk freedom missiles and airstrikes which never cause any collateral damage.
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #500,690
i thought we solved the middle east problem the last time we talked. wtf happened?
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #500,698
USAmerican Middle East policy: bomb brown people.
Dw !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 day later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #500,853
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 1 day later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,076
@500,690 (squeegee)
Obama would have to give back his Peace Prize if he used nukes. I think that's, like, an official Nobel rule.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/world/middleeast/obama-syria-un-isis.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/24/obama_broad_coalition_will_defeat_isis_network_of_death.html
Obama would have to give back his Peace Prize if he used nukes. I think that's, like, an official Nobel rule.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/world/middleeast/obama-syria-un-isis.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/24/obama_broad_coalition_will_defeat_isis_network_of_death.html
No God condones this terror. No grievance justifies these actions. There can be no reasoning – no negotiation – with this brand of evil. The only language understood by killers like this is the language of force. So the United States of America will work with a broad coalition to dismantle this network of death.
Fantastic! Instead of an "Axis of Evil" we're fighting a "Network of Death" which again posed no known threat to America until we deliberately provoked a fight with them. I see Obama's reading off Dubya's teleprompter now, we even have a new coalition of the willing! I wonder if our old buddy Poland will join the coalition for old time's sake.(Edited 2 minutes later.)
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,084
@previous (Metæ)
we'll be forced into the 21st century one way or the other, and this includes everyone, even people who'd rather live in the middle ages. there's no room in the future for the past, and the past will either change with the times or be left in history. you can't stop it, i can't stop it and obama can't stop it.
our childrens children will see our times as a knee jerk against being prodded by a future we're afraid of.
we'll be forced into the 21st century one way or the other, and this includes everyone, even people who'd rather live in the middle ages. there's no room in the future for the past, and the past will either change with the times or be left in history. you can't stop it, i can't stop it and obama can't stop it.
our childrens children will see our times as a knee jerk against being prodded by a future we're afraid of.
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 14 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,085
@previous (squeegee)
I think there's plenty of room. We should develop our domestic oil, stop buying theirs, pull out of the middle east and let them be medieval if that's how they want to live. I mean, we're not going over to Africa and bombing them into the 21st century and some of them are living in prehistoric conditions, not even medieval.
What is this 21st century? Endless war against some desert nomads with old Toyota pickups and AK-47s they bought at the Soviet going out of business sale?
I think there's plenty of room. We should develop our domestic oil, stop buying theirs, pull out of the middle east and let them be medieval if that's how they want to live. I mean, we're not going over to Africa and bombing them into the 21st century and some of them are living in prehistoric conditions, not even medieval.
What is this 21st century? Endless war against some desert nomads with old Toyota pickups and AK-47s they bought at the Soviet going out of business sale?
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Metæ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 58 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,086
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 20 seconds later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,087
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,089
@501,085 (Metæ)
no. the entire human race is being assimilated into a digital collective and over the coming generations it will become impossible to survive unless you take part. it's very much like the time ages ago when huntergatherers began settling in cities and developing agriculture. but insread of taking place over ten thousand years, it will happen in only a few generations.
there will likely be a lot of death due to push back, but where we're headed there's not going to be a past to live in. the future is a rising tide. and it's going to get really weird.
no. the entire human race is being assimilated into a digital collective and over the coming generations it will become impossible to survive unless you take part. it's very much like the time ages ago when huntergatherers began settling in cities and developing agriculture. but insread of taking place over ten thousand years, it will happen in only a few generations.
there will likely be a lot of death due to push back, but where we're headed there's not going to be a past to live in. the future is a rising tide. and it's going to get really weird.
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squeegee double-posted this 12 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,090
@501,086 (Metæ)
some things in the world are very much like a train on rails. if a locomotive is barrelling down the tracks it doesn't matter who is standing on the tracks waving their arms telling it to slow down, if that train isn't going to stop, it isn't stopping. whoever is in office after obama will end up on that same track trying to stop that same train. and it ain't stopping.
some things in the world are very much like a train on rails. if a locomotive is barrelling down the tracks it doesn't matter who is standing on the tracks waving their arms telling it to slow down, if that train isn't going to stop, it isn't stopping. whoever is in office after obama will end up on that same track trying to stop that same train. and it ain't stopping.
Dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 7 hours later, 2 weeks after the original post[^] [v] #501,107
Butts
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 2 weeks later, 1 month after the original post[^] [v] #503,768
US relaxes it's policy on civilian casualties in Syria
I guess we do share common values with Israel, after all! Maybe we'll start calling the indiscriminate murder victims human shields, too! I can just see it now, Josh Earnest walks out on stage and solemnly says: "the difference between ISIS and America, is that America uses weapons to protect homes for displaced people, while ISIS uses displaced people's homes to protect weapons."
The White House confirmed this week that it will be relaxing its policy on civilian killings in the fight against ISIS. Operations in Syria and Iraq will not be held to the “near certainty standard” announced by President Obama in March of last year, which stipulated lethal force would only be used if there is “near certainty that no civilians will be killed or injured.” Reports last week of significant civilian casualties as a result of U.S. airstrikes were the first indication that the Obama administration is ignoring its own rules in the war on terror. The standard was supposed to mark a new era in the use of lethal force against terrorists, particularly in the use of drones.
This comes after reports last Tuesday that a tomahawk missile mistakenly hit a home for displaced people in the village of Kafr Daryan, in the Idlib province of Syria, killing at least a dozen civilians. Journalists and NGOs with sources on the ground have come out with similar reports over the past week, and videos of the aftermath of U.S. strikes showing badly injured children and bodies being pulled out of the rubble have surfaced online.
(http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/10/03/3575596/us-eases-relaxes-its-policy-on-civilian-casualties-in-syria/)This comes after reports last Tuesday that a tomahawk missile mistakenly hit a home for displaced people in the village of Kafr Daryan, in the Idlib province of Syria, killing at least a dozen civilians. Journalists and NGOs with sources on the ground have come out with similar reports over the past week, and videos of the aftermath of U.S. strikes showing badly injured children and bodies being pulled out of the rubble have surfaced online.
I guess we do share common values with Israel, after all! Maybe we'll start calling the indiscriminate murder victims human shields, too! I can just see it now, Josh Earnest walks out on stage and solemnly says: "the difference between ISIS and America, is that America uses weapons to protect homes for displaced people, while ISIS uses displaced people's homes to protect weapons."
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They kind of need to do that...
There would have been zero airstrikes in Kobanê if they had applied a "near certainty standard", airstrikes which the town's defending Kurds have said are invaluable.
They kind of need to do that...
There would have been zero airstrikes in Kobanê if they had applied a "near certainty standard", airstrikes which the town's defending Kurds have said are invaluable.