Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later[^][v]#493,518
Poor representativeness, low external validity. This person has taken the experiences of one female dominant, and applied it to all of BDSM. They then use this anecdotal evidence to justify their own massively generalised views on BDSM.
0/10, poorly supported piece of work designed to prop up the author's views and little else.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 10 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^][v]#493,519
> I was totally fine with the physical abuse of men, because I hated them
Additionally, the source outright admits to having a strong bias influencing her.
-1/10, this piece's validity as evidence is laughable at best.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx triple-posted this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 26 minutes after the original post[^][v]#493,520
Okay, I have submitted a comment laying out my views on this article. It is awaiting moderation!
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,524
@493,518 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
This comment is 9/10, bud
kook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,528
@493,518 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Why is being feminized such a popular fetish for males, do you think?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 37 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,532
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,535
@previous (E)
No seriously though. Why are most adult babies male? Why are most cross dressers male?
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 10 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,536
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+) > Why are most cross dressers male?
You can't be serious with this question can you?
Metæ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,537
@493,535 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I have no idea about the first, but for crossdressing it might have something to do with how restrictive the male gender role is with things such as clothing and expressiveness. But what's wrong with crossdressing if you're not pretending to be a biowoman or invading women's spaces?
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,538
@493,535 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
For the same reason most bukakke recipients are female.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,552
Update: I have a gotten response. The game is afoot!
dw !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 57 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,571
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
beedy ess em
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,574
@493,552 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You've watched too much Sherlock, thanks.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,578
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
I have, in fact, never watched that show.
@493,571 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
Her personal experience adds extra proof!
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 12 years ago, 35 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,580
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You don't watch enough Sherlock, thanks
squeegee joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,583
@493,535 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
wut? i see women in pants and t shirts way more than i see dudes in skirts and blouses. its fully acceptable for a woman to dress as a man but when men dress in women's clothes it's a fetish?
that makes no sense.
seriously, you go wear slacks and a polo and see if anyone pelts you with insults. if i wore a dress and heels in public i'd likely be in... danger, honestly.
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Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 22 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,588
It's fetishization in general, not feminization. Why are most foot fetishists male? Is that some plot of the patriarchy too?
I know you have a tickling fetish, but you're also a lesbian freak.
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,590
@493,528 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
The autogynophile crossdressers tend to be far, far more tolerable, and often quite sane. The crazy "woman trapped in man's body" trannies...
Anonymous E replied with this 12 years ago, 18 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,595
@493,535 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I'm serious. Patriarchy explains it.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 27 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,611
@493,536 (F)
I am serious. How many women.put on a pair of dockers and an Ed Hardy shirt before masturbating?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 58 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,614
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ triple-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,615
@493,583 (squeegee)
But why Isnt it sexual when women do it?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ quadruple-posted this 12 years ago, 57 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,616
@493,538 (H)
Okay, so why are males more turned on by semen than females?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,618
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I think it's more what they've done with the semen than the semen itself.
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swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,619
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
So you'd see the same amount of fetish videos with various liquids? Also, isnt the money shot in pornos, for the enjoyment of males?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,620
Why did this topic upset so many males? I have nothing against crossdressing.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,623
@493,619 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/) > So you'd see the same amount of fetish videos with various liquids?
...Think about this, for a second. Why do you think that other "various liquids" might not generally be involved? Do they normally play a role in sex? Do men usually spurt out, say, a bit of red wine?
It's not the act of covering the other person in any sort of liquid, it's the idea of a man putting his semen onto somebody that he loves that provides the interest. I know you like to push the idea that this is an attraction to the semen itself, but it isn't really.
> Also, isnt the money shot in pornos, for the enjoyment of males?
Anyone could enjoy it, really. Depends on what they're into.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,624
@493,620 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I don't think that anybody is really upset, they just disagree with you.
And what did you expect? You've come in going "oh gosh, why do men do this? Isn't it strange that men are like this?" Naturally, this can provoke disagreement from people who feel that they are being misrepresented by your words.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 46 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,626
@493,623 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Wait are you saying that bukakke videos are about putting semen onto someone that you love? Also if you think that porn made for females is full of money shots, you're fucking dreaming.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,628
@493,624 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
But no one is actually disagreeing, they're'just typing "how could you say that?"
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,629
@493,626 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
No, the "someone you love" part was a joke. I would think that love is rarely involved in such videos.
> Also if you think that porn made for females is full of money shots, you're fucking dreaming.
What I said was that anybody could enjoy it, if they were into that sort of thing.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,630
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
But it is a thing mostly for males to enjoy, correct?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 50 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,631
@493,628 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Uh, no. They pretty clearly disagree with your logic. You seem to think that they're all very offeneded that you said it, but can't actually rebutt it.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,632
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Maybe meta, and even he was like "whats wrong with cross dressing?! (Said in Knotts' voice).
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,633
@493,620 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I get the sense you dislike it, lumped in with questions like "why are so many males into crossdressing/adult babies/cum shots/semen". I would wager, though, that men's higher levels of testosterone gives them a higher libido which is reflected in higher consumption of porn and greater tendency toward paraphilias (this is just a guess though: I'm no expert amd I have no sources).
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 35 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,634
A better question. Why is it humiliating and sexually arousing for some men to be treated like women, but you dont really see the roles,reversed?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 30 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,635
@493,630 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
It's for the enjoyment of anyone who will purchase that sort of thing, really.
Yes, the audience for it is probably mostly men, but there's nothing wrong with that. As for why that is, cultural influence may play some part in it.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,636
@493,633 (Metæ)
I have no problem with feminization, adult babies or bukkakee. please dont project these feelings onto me.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,637
@493,635 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I never said that there was anything wrong with it and I didnt imply it either.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,638
@493,634 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
An even better question: why do you equate submissive behaviour with being a woman? This seems oddly validating of sexist outlooks. Why can't it just be a person enjoying being in a submissive position?
squeegee joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 41 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,639
squeegee double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,640
@493,634 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
sorry, but plenty of women get off on role reversal by dominating men. Just because them men may enjoy being "feminized" doesn't mean the women don't also enjoy being masculinized (which is funny that's not a real word.)
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 13 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,641
@493,638 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Wait, im not equating women with being submissive, the males who pay to be put into makeup and highheels are.
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,642
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
what about dikes who pay to look like men and get off on pegging their girlfriends with dildos?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 23 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,643
@493,640 (squeegee)
But that isnt getting off on being humiliated. The "male role" is the strong role, even when performed by a female.
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,644
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
not for the dike who is pegging the girl. she's getting off on pretending to be a man as much as a mtf crossdresser gets off on dressing in womens clothes and getting butt fucked
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swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,646
@493,642 (squeegee)
Pay to look like men? Lol
But seriously though, when they do this, it isnt because its humiliating for them.
Why are things that are considered typical of the female gender roles, humiliating when experienced by males?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,648
@493,644 (squeegee)
But she isnt getting off by being humiliated at playing like a man. She's getting off on feeling strong.
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,650
@493,646 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
ur the one who keeps using the word humiliating
squeegee double-posted this 12 years ago, 17 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,651
@493,648 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
that was my point.
squeegee triple-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,652
@493,646 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
pay to look like men, yes, they have their tits cut out and take expensive hormones to grow beards, yes, pay to look like men.
FtM transexuals are a thing, bro
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 5 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,653
@493,641 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Allright. I'll again point out that this isn't representative of the BDSM scene as a whole, just to throw that out there.
As for those men specifically, it may because they themselves are quite sexist. For them, concepts like "weak, submissive, subservient" may be equated with their outdated views on feminimity, so their way to mentally achieve that role is to adopt one that they see as fitting that description. Or maybe they just get off on being in women's clothing itself.
@493,643 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
If I'm understanding correctly, you just equated the dominant position with being a man. Why can't it just be enjoyed for what it is, being dominant over a submissive sexual partner, rather than playing some preconcieved gender role?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,654
@493,650 (squeegee)
Because thats why its done. Females may dress as men because its empowering, while males may dress as women because its humiliating. Why are things associated with traditional female gender roles, humiliating?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,656
@493,652 (squeegee)
Oh we arent talking about trans people. We're talking about cross dressing as a fetish.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ triple-posted this 12 years ago, 59 seconds later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,658
@493,653 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Because it is about gender roles.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ quadruple-posted this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,660
Another question. Do any of you regularly wear dresses or skirts, outside of your homes? Why or why not?
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 17 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,665
@493,656 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
do you think ftm trans just wake up one day a man?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 13 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,667
@previous (squeegee)
No. But im also not claiming that its a fetish.
Anonymous E replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,671
@493,660 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I know several men who wear skirts out of the house in normal, daily life
squeegee replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#493,672
@493,667 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
females masturbate. fact.
females have fetishes. fact.
females masturbate to their fetishes. fact.
females who's fetish is crossdressing masturbate to it. fact.
why do you think females are so different from males?
the only difference is the publics reaction to displays of crossdrssing. women don't have the same stigma as males. you see a male doing it and people think, oh, he's a guy, i bet he's walking around getting off wearing that, but with women they think, oh, fashion statement.
i mean wtf. really?
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#493,697
Buspuppie, a question. In the past, I recall that you've said that you don't believe in innate gender differences, and that it's all a matter of how a person is raised. But in this topic, you very much seem to be focusing on how men and women are different in their mannerisms, to the point where it appears that you view them as innately different. If you don't mind, could you clarify your view on this? Thanks.
@493,654 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
...And some of them many not dress as women because they find it humiliating, but because they enjoy it for other reasons or it just feels right to them.
@493,658 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I don't think that it necessarily is. Being dominant or submissive in bed is its own thing, and doesn't at all need to be tied up (a little BDSM humour for you there) in gender roles.
decibelmilliwatts !EfVwyVp5SE joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#493,762
Does this recently leaked photo of kook surprise you?
Anonymous E replied with this 12 years ago, 39 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#493,770
@previous (decibelmilliwatts !EfVwyVp5SE)
Fuck off
Anonymous H replied with this 12 years ago, 13 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#493,827
@493,616 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Because that's what an orgasm is for males. You don't understand, sorry.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#493,859
@493,762 (decibelmilliwatts !EfVwyVp5SE)
You are the biggest retard alive.
decibelmilliwatts !EfVwyVp5SE joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 49 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#493,873