Topic: When will we move on from this fad of referring to transsexuals by their desired gender?
Dr. started this discussion 12 years ago #35,966
We are gratifying a depraved autogynephillic fetish of the most egregious order.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #492,131
> autogynephilia
How horrible! Women who feel good about getting to be women after years/decades of society telling them that they're wrong about who they are! The horror! Women liking their own bodies! HRT alleviating dysphoria! How awful!
How horrible! Women who feel good about getting to be women after years/decades of society telling them that they're wrong about who they are! The horror! Women liking their own bodies! HRT alleviating dysphoria! How awful!
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,134
I think that I have figured this guy out.
He's basically a normal bigot troll, but he has swallowed a thesaurus.
He's basically a normal bigot troll, but he has swallowed a thesaurus.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 48 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,136
@492,131 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
> Women liking their own bodies!
If ciswomen aren't allowed to like their bodies, why should transwomen be allowed to??
> Women liking their own bodies!
If ciswomen aren't allowed to like their bodies, why should transwomen be allowed to??
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 seconds later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,137
@492,131 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
Thank you for recognizing the fetish crosses the sexual barrier. I have a proposed cure for that, too. I propose these women who actually admire their own bodies to be excessively autistic to the point of self-absorptive lesbianism owing to their neuromasculinity, in which case they must be forced to transition to a sex reflective of this neuromasculinity to rid them of their psychotic quasi-shemalewhore privilege.
Thank you for recognizing the fetish crosses the sexual barrier. I have a proposed cure for that, too. I propose these women who actually admire their own bodies to be excessively autistic to the point of self-absorptive lesbianism owing to their neuromasculinity, in which case they must be forced to transition to a sex reflective of this neuromasculinity to rid them of their psychotic quasi-shemalewhore privilege.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,139
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,140
@492,136 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
The point I'm making is that "autogynephilia" is misogynistic trash. Liking oneself is 110% fine, and shaming marginalised people for feeling good about themselves is scummy.
The point I'm making is that "autogynephilia" is misogynistic trash. Liking oneself is 110% fine, and shaming marginalised people for feeling good about themselves is scummy.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,141
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 21 seconds later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,142
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,143
@previous (Dr.)
You'd apply that "diagnosis" to anyone who doesn't fully internalise all oppressive attitudes directed towards them, right? :v
You'd apply that "diagnosis" to anyone who doesn't fully internalise all oppressive attitudes directed towards them, right? :v
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,150
No neurological basis for transsexualism has hitherto been found, a lot of these studies are confounded by assessing these alleged transsexuals through the transitory period, during which they are undergoing hormone replacement therapy. Meanwhile, half a century ago, the basis was already found, in a mixture of fetishism and schizophrenogensis resulting in the pathologically psychotic idealization of one's self in the cross-identified mode gradually reinforced from a progression initially beginning as a transvestitic voyeurism. Dr. Autphag, an esteemed colleague of mine, had written prolifically on this during the period of his heyday.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,155
OP, I think that your verbose style is working against you. Making your posts so dense is going to discourage people reading them, and thus stop them from getting trolled!
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Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,158
kook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,161
when we abolish gender
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,163
@492,158 (Dr.)
No projection there, though. Their lexical choices are not at all beyond the bounds of what can be considered vernacular.
No projection there, though. Their lexical choices are not at all beyond the bounds of what can be considered vernacular.
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,166
@previous (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
I meant in regards to trolling. Hiding behind legitimate scientific inquiry, he has tried to delegitimate the position of sexual orthodoxy using deliberately provocative citations from the liberal-totalitarian peer-review apparatus.
I meant in regards to trolling. Hiding behind legitimate scientific inquiry, he has tried to delegitimate the position of sexual orthodoxy using deliberately provocative citations from the liberal-totalitarian peer-review apparatus.
Dr. (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,172
@492,161 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I sincerely hope you do not propose to bring this about with the abolition of the entire male sex by levelling the forces of the matriarchy upon it.
I sincerely hope you do not propose to bring this about with the abolition of the entire male sex by levelling the forces of the matriarchy upon it.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,175
@492,166 (Dr.)
So you're an anti-academia reactionary. I thought that I was done with your sort after removing Wesley Morganston from my Twitter!
So you're an anti-academia reactionary. I thought that I was done with your sort after removing Wesley Morganston from my Twitter!
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,182
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,187
@492,166 (Dr.)
You still haven't provided any proof that schizophrenia is "highly co-morid" with gender dysphoria, though. You said that there were studies, but I am begining to think that that was a lie!
@492,163 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
I don't know, I usually have read it pretty carefully to figure out what exactly he's saying.
You still haven't provided any proof that schizophrenia is "highly co-morid" with gender dysphoria, though. You said that there were studies, but I am begining to think that that was a lie!
@492,163 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
I don't know, I usually have read it pretty carefully to figure out what exactly he's saying.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,188
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, I was talking about you! Dr. is almost as word salad as Autphag was.
No, I was talking about you! Dr. is almost as word salad as Autphag was.
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 59 seconds later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #492,190
@492,187 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
It didn't merit investigation thanks to the establishment of this fact as a fundamental principle in the question of homosexual-transexualism as established by Dr. Stephen Greene, just as the current investigation of it as a congenital disorder of neurobiology doesn't merit serious regard by virtue of the flimsiness of methodological presumptions taken in its inquiry (see @492,150 (Dr.))
It didn't merit investigation thanks to the establishment of this fact as a fundamental principle in the question of homosexual-transexualism as established by Dr. Stephen Greene, just as the current investigation of it as a congenital disorder of neurobiology doesn't merit serious regard by virtue of the flimsiness of methodological presumptions taken in its inquiry (see @492,150 (Dr.))
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #492,199
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #492,208
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 17 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,279
heres how it happens:
do you have a dick and testicles? you're a male, no matter how badly you want to surpress it. Dont want to be a male? get a sex change.
none of this "im gonna wear a dress and that'll be enough" bullshit
when will people tell trans people that they have a mental illness?
do you have a dick and testicles? you're a male, no matter how badly you want to surpress it. Dont want to be a male? get a sex change.
none of this "im gonna wear a dress and that'll be enough" bullshit
when will people tell trans people that they have a mental illness?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 21 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,287
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,289
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
> I agree that you need to have the surgery before you can call yourself a woman.
how come they are allowed to live in a fantasy world but nobody else is under the guise that even bringing up the fact that 90% (maybe as far as 100%) of transpeople that have mental illness is "transphobic"
how come everything that is not sparkly and dripping with praise is automatically labeled as "transphobic"?
> I agree that you need to have the surgery before you can call yourself a woman.
how come they are allowed to live in a fantasy world but nobody else is under the guise that even bringing up the fact that 90% (maybe as far as 100%) of transpeople that have mental illness is "transphobic"
how come everything that is not sparkly and dripping with praise is automatically labeled as "transphobic"?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,291
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,294
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 48 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,296
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 25 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,297
@492,294 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Because their mental state cant be corrected, and doesnt match with reality.
Because their mental state cant be corrected, and doesnt match with reality.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 46 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,298
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,302
@492,297 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
The reality is that their brain structure/hormone levels differ to match those of the opposite biological gender.
Would you want those with gender dysphoria to be "corrected"? I notice that you noted that it cannot be altered.
The reality is that their brain structure/hormone levels differ to match those of the opposite biological gender.
Would you want those with gender dysphoria to be "corrected"? I notice that you noted that it cannot be altered.
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 32 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,303
@492,296 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Do you genuinely believe that transsexualism is a fantasy?
prove that it isnt
it is almost exactly the same as if when you were a child and your parents told you you could be "anything you want when you grow up" except for the fact that when you reach adulthood you realize its a bit more difficult than that
everyone who is around transpeople have to constantly walk on eggshells to feed the fantasy that is their gender. You might as well be forced to walk around calling them the king of spain even though you both know that they aren't, you have to keep up the charade less they cry and you get labeled as "transphobic"
> Do you genuinely believe that transsexualism is a fantasy?
prove that it isnt
it is almost exactly the same as if when you were a child and your parents told you you could be "anything you want when you grow up" except for the fact that when you reach adulthood you realize its a bit more difficult than that
everyone who is around transpeople have to constantly walk on eggshells to feed the fantasy that is their gender. You might as well be forced to walk around calling them the king of spain even though you both know that they aren't, you have to keep up the charade less they cry and you get labeled as "transphobic"
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 43 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,305
@492,296 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I believe that the idea that everyone ignoring body parts will make them not exist is magical thinking and a type of fantasy.
I believe that the idea that everyone ignoring body parts will make them not exist is magical thinking and a type of fantasy.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,308
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,310
i thought life would be better if i had different color eyes, i know that i dont have the color eyes that I'd like but I go through life anyways without people constantly trying to lie to me and tell me that my eyes are hazel when they arent
why is that any different than gender dysphoric bullshit? if someone is a male, that is to say that they were born male and still have male sex organs, why call them a female? you know that they arent female and they know that they aren't female, why beat around the bush? why are they such unique snowflakes that need to be lied to? reality doesn't work that way.
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why is that any different than gender dysphoric bullshit? if someone is a male, that is to say that they were born male and still have male sex organs, why call them a female? you know that they arent female and they know that they aren't female, why beat around the bush? why are they such unique snowflakes that need to be lied to? reality doesn't work that way.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,311
@492,303 (G)
> prove that it isnt
Allright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Causes_of_transsexualism#Brain_structure
Several studies, all showing a notable brain difference in those with gender dysphoria. There's also other biological factors cited on that page.
@492,305 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
They're not pretending that the body parts don't exist. They're quite aware. What they want is to live as the other gender, as their biology drives them to do so. And that is the reality here. They have this urge, and it drives their behaviour.
> prove that it isnt
Allright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Causes_of_transsexualism#Brain_structure
Several studies, all showing a notable brain difference in those with gender dysphoria. There's also other biological factors cited on that page.
@492,305 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
They're not pretending that the body parts don't exist. They're quite aware. What they want is to live as the other gender, as their biology drives them to do so. And that is the reality here. They have this urge, and it drives their behaviour.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,312
@492,308 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
It does to them, with good reason.
Buspuppie, why do you look down on them so much for their choice? It doesn't affect you in the slightest. Yet you seem to want to impose your view of what they should be upon them.
It does to them, with good reason.
Buspuppie, why do you look down on them so much for their choice? It doesn't affect you in the slightest. Yet you seem to want to impose your view of what they should be upon them.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,317
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You dont get it, I treat them like normal people. I would act in this manner towards anyone with delusional thinking. Thats also why I dont treat Catherine like he's retarded, but other people who think that they need to be "nice" so they treat him like he's slow.
You dont get it, I treat them like normal people. I would act in this manner towards anyone with delusional thinking. Thats also why I dont treat Catherine like he's retarded, but other people who think that they need to be "nice" so they treat him like he's slow.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,318
@492,311 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I have a problem with the idea of "living like the other gender".Gender shouldnt even exist! And btw, they want to live like the other sex, which is a problem if you dont match that sex.
I have a problem with the idea of "living like the other gender".Gender shouldnt even exist! And btw, they want to live like the other sex, which is a problem if you dont match that sex.
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,320
@492,311 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> > prove that it isnt
> Allright.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Causes_of_transsexualism#Brain_structure
>
> Several studies, all showing a notable brain difference in those with gender dysphoria. There's also other biological factors cited on that page.
>
>
> They're not pretending that the body parts don't exist. They're quite aware. What they want is to live as the other gender, as their biology drives them to do so. And that is the reality here. They have this urge, and it drives their behaviour.
ah okay so this just goes back to the bullshit fantasy world that they live and you failed to prove anything.
people are born with all sorts of problems and you know what everyone else does? THEY GO THROUGH LIFE WHILE KEEPING A HOLD ON IT, be it schizophrenia or vitiligo, those with vitiligo dont itentify as a white person if they are african american do they?
should we refer to furries by their spirit animal?
> > prove that it isnt
> Allright.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Causes_of_transsexualism#Brain_structure
>
> Several studies, all showing a notable brain difference in those with gender dysphoria. There's also other biological factors cited on that page.
>
>
> They're not pretending that the body parts don't exist. They're quite aware. What they want is to live as the other gender, as their biology drives them to do so. And that is the reality here. They have this urge, and it drives their behaviour.
ah okay so this just goes back to the bullshit fantasy world that they live and you failed to prove anything.
people are born with all sorts of problems and you know what everyone else does? THEY GO THROUGH LIFE WHILE KEEPING A HOLD ON IT, be it schizophrenia or vitiligo, those with vitiligo dont itentify as a white person if they are african american do they?
should we refer to furries by their spirit animal?
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 27 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,321
@492,317 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
They don't have a delusion. They know what their biological sex is, but due to biological factors, they identify as the opposite gender. That is just the way that they are wired. It's kinda similar to homosexuality, in a way. It might not be how most others of their biological gender are, but, again, that's how they are wired.
Do you doubt the existence of biological factors in this? Are you convinced that it's some sort of mindset that they build themselves up into?
They don't have a delusion. They know what their biological sex is, but due to biological factors, they identify as the opposite gender. That is just the way that they are wired. It's kinda similar to homosexuality, in a way. It might not be how most others of their biological gender are, but, again, that's how they are wired.
Do you doubt the existence of biological factors in this? Are you convinced that it's some sort of mindset that they build themselves up into?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,322
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 12 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,323
Also,I personally have way too much testosterone for a female. If they scanned my brain, it would probably look more like a males brain. Growing up,I never wanted to wear makeup or heels, or most other stereotypical female gender roles.t But do I ask people to call me sir, or try and use the mens bathroom? No,because I dont expect the world to change for me.
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,324
@492,321 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
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> Do you doubt the existence of biological factors in this? Are you convinced that it's some sort of mindset that they build themselves up into?
why is it that when a middle aged "trans" man uses a female bathroom and people are outraged, its automatically transphobic? why even have gender designated bathrooms in the first place, why am i not allowed to do any of these things unless i consider myself "trans" and then its alright
you obviously cannot back up your statements beyond "oh its their brain!! biology!!" which everyone already knows is a cop out excuse
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> Do you doubt the existence of biological factors in this? Are you convinced that it's some sort of mindset that they build themselves up into?
why is it that when a middle aged "trans" man uses a female bathroom and people are outraged, its automatically transphobic? why even have gender designated bathrooms in the first place, why am i not allowed to do any of these things unless i consider myself "trans" and then its alright
you obviously cannot back up your statements beyond "oh its their brain!! biology!!" which everyone already knows is a cop out excuse
Anonymous G double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,325
@492,322 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Okay, so you don't have a comeback to that, then. Thanks for playing!
typed almost a quarter of a paragraph as a "comeback"
hey maybe you can post some more wikipedia articles while you plug your ears and go LALALA NOT LISTENING
> Okay, so you don't have a comeback to that, then. Thanks for playing!
typed almost a quarter of a paragraph as a "comeback"
hey maybe you can post some more wikipedia articles while you plug your ears and go LALALA NOT LISTENING
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 7 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,326
@492,318 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
It does certainly does exist, to some extent.
And they're likely aware that they'll never totally become the other gender. But they can get somewhat close, and that should be allowed.
It does certainly does exist, to some extent.
And they're likely aware that they'll never totally become the other gender. But they can get somewhat close, and that should be allowed.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 31 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,327
@492,321 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
It is partially a mindset that they build themselves up to. There is a reason why females who are trans dont fight to be housed in the male section of prisons and such, while male trans people want to be able to go wherever women go. Its because they were raised as males, and still act like males.
It is partially a mindset that they build themselves up to. There is a reason why females who are trans dont fight to be housed in the male section of prisons and such, while male trans people want to be able to go wherever women go. Its because they were raised as males, and still act like males.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,328
@492,324 (G)
> you obviously cannot back up your statements beyond "oh its their brain!! biology!!" which everyone already knows is a cop out excuse
> brain structure and biology is a cop-out excuse
Hahaha. That was hilarious. Thanks, friend, that put a smile on my face.
@492,323 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
That's not really how it works. Transexuals aren't just particularly demanding tomboys/effeminate men.
> you obviously cannot back up your statements beyond "oh its their brain!! biology!!" which everyone already knows is a cop out excuse
> brain structure and biology is a cop-out excuse
Hahaha. That was hilarious. Thanks, friend, that put a smile on my face.
@492,323 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
That's not really how it works. Transexuals aren't just particularly demanding tomboys/effeminate men.
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 6 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,329
@492,326 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> It does certainly does exist, to some extent.
>
> And they're likely aware that they'll never totally become the other gender. But they can get somewhat close, and that should be allowed.
trans people are not unique snowflakes no matter how badly you want them to be, everyone has problems, everyone goes through life keeping a lid on them while trans people just up and drop everything and refuse to take part in anything that has nothing to do with their fantasy world lifestyle they have worked their brains up to believe.
Dragons dont exist yet im sure there are people that believe they do, because they believe dragons exist should be re-write every scientific and biologic piece of literature because a few people believe dragons exist? You're a joke
> It does certainly does exist, to some extent.
>
> And they're likely aware that they'll never totally become the other gender. But they can get somewhat close, and that should be allowed.
trans people are not unique snowflakes no matter how badly you want them to be, everyone has problems, everyone goes through life keeping a lid on them while trans people just up and drop everything and refuse to take part in anything that has nothing to do with their fantasy world lifestyle they have worked their brains up to believe.
Dragons dont exist yet im sure there are people that believe they do, because they believe dragons exist should be re-write every scientific and biologic piece of literature because a few people believe dragons exist? You're a joke
Anonymous G double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,330
@492,328 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> > you obviously cannot back up your statements beyond "oh its their brain!! biology!!" which everyone already knows is a cop out excuse
> > brain structure and biology is a cop-out excuse
> Hahaha. That was hilarious. Thanks, friend, that put a smile on my face.
>
continue to prove my point then, you have had many opportunities to back up what you believe yet you continue not to and post childish things like "ahaha that make me laff!!!" and just goes to show that they have absolutely no basis in reality, get help.
> > you obviously cannot back up your statements beyond "oh its their brain!! biology!!" which everyone already knows is a cop out excuse
> > brain structure and biology is a cop-out excuse
> Hahaha. That was hilarious. Thanks, friend, that put a smile on my face.
>
continue to prove my point then, you have had many opportunities to back up what you believe yet you continue not to and post childish things like "ahaha that make me laff!!!" and just goes to show that they have absolutely no basis in reality, get help.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,331
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 22 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,333
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
> These questipns cant be answered, because there isnt any answer.
so you agree that it is mental illness then
> These questipns cant be answered, because there isnt any answer.
so you agree that it is mental illness then
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,334
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,335
@492,333 (G)
The mental illness cones into play when they expect society to conform to their own personal reality.
The mental illness cones into play when they expect society to conform to their own personal reality.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 48 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,336
@492,327 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
> There is a reason why females who are trans dont fight to be housed in the male section of prisons and such
Could be because male prisons are portrayed as more dangerous.
> Its because they were raised as males, and still act like males.
Not really how it works. Biology plays a role in this too.
> There is a reason why females who are trans dont fight to be housed in the male section of prisons and such
Could be because male prisons are portrayed as more dangerous.
> Its because they were raised as males, and still act like males.
Not really how it works. Biology plays a role in this too.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,337
@492,324 (G)
you know how these people have no fucking idea what they are talking about when they say biological factors are a "cop out". Yes, stupid hippies, science is a cop out, unlike your easily manipulable arguments based on armchair thinking alone, which are The Truth.
you know how these people have no fucking idea what they are talking about when they say biological factors are a "cop out". Yes, stupid hippies, science is a cop out, unlike your easily manipulable arguments based on armchair thinking alone, which are The Truth.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 47 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,338
@492,334 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
You obviously don't, because you aren't a transexual.
You don't seem to understand that there is a specific biological cause behind it. These people aren't just needy/attention-seeking, they have a legitimate difference in their biology that makes them think in this way.
You obviously don't, because you aren't a transexual.
You don't seem to understand that there is a specific biological cause behind it. These people aren't just needy/attention-seeking, they have a legitimate difference in their biology that makes them think in this way.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 24 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,339
@492,336 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
They act like biological males. Also why should the danger bother them? Surely the gender dysphoria is so strong that it would be worth the risk.
They act like biological males. Also why should the danger bother them? Surely the gender dysphoria is so strong that it would be worth the risk.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,340
@492,338 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
My biology is very similar to a males. Im not a transexual because I believe that gender is irrelevant.
My biology is very similar to a males. Im not a transexual because I believe that gender is irrelevant.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 13 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,341
@492,337 (J)
I think they're just a troll. At least, I hope so. That statement may be hilarious, but it would also be somewhat depressing were it being said seriously.
I think they're just a troll. At least, I hope so. That statement may be hilarious, but it would also be somewhat depressing were it being said seriously.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,342
@492,339 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I hear that self-preservation is quite popular.
@492,340 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
So... You're saying that because you think that you have higher levels of testosterone, you must have exactly the same biological factors as trans people, and are only not a transexual because of your views on gender? Is this correct?
I hear that self-preservation is quite popular.
@492,340 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
So... You're saying that because you think that you have higher levels of testosterone, you must have exactly the same biological factors as trans people, and are only not a transexual because of your views on gender? Is this correct?
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 20 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,343
@492,338 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> These people aren't just needy/attention-seeking, they have a legitimate difference in their biology that makes them think in this way.
is that why most of the languishing trans community exists on the internet and tumblr instead of doing anything besides yelling and shouting and setting back their *gender years and years? Homosexuals have become pretty much accepted now, as well as black people, civil rights, etc. Want to know why? Because they actually stood up and fought for what they believed in in the real world instead of writing fucked up fanfiction on bbs's and blogs that nobody read.
I also find it funny that there are trans people that are homophobic, why is that they are allowed to be homophobic? if anyone says anything about them being homophobic they are automatically listed as "transphobic"
I dont understand how I could be any clearer, you said that transgenderism is caused by biologic stuff happening in the brain, so do you admit that it is a mental illness? this might come as a shock to you but autism is diagnosed the exact same way, as is being bipolar, etc etc.
so are you agreeing that it is a mental illness or are you gonna go back and post a shitty image macro and go NO NO NO THATS NOT WUT I SAID!!!
> >So... You're saying that because you think that you have higher levels of testosterone, you must have exactly the same biological factors as trans people, and are only not a transexual because of your views on gender? Is this correct?
how is that not the same thing? Could it be that you actually dont know shit about science or biology or know the underlying causes or even WHAT gender dysphoria actually is?
> not trans but acting like the end all to be all information on gender dysphoria
ah, there we go!
> These people aren't just needy/attention-seeking, they have a legitimate difference in their biology that makes them think in this way.
is that why most of the languishing trans community exists on the internet and tumblr instead of doing anything besides yelling and shouting and setting back their *gender years and years? Homosexuals have become pretty much accepted now, as well as black people, civil rights, etc. Want to know why? Because they actually stood up and fought for what they believed in in the real world instead of writing fucked up fanfiction on bbs's and blogs that nobody read.
I also find it funny that there are trans people that are homophobic, why is that they are allowed to be homophobic? if anyone says anything about them being homophobic they are automatically listed as "transphobic"
I dont understand how I could be any clearer, you said that transgenderism is caused by biologic stuff happening in the brain, so do you admit that it is a mental illness? this might come as a shock to you but autism is diagnosed the exact same way, as is being bipolar, etc etc.
so are you agreeing that it is a mental illness or are you gonna go back and post a shitty image macro and go NO NO NO THATS NOT WUT I SAID!!!
> >So... You're saying that because you think that you have higher levels of testosterone, you must have exactly the same biological factors as trans people, and are only not a transexual because of your views on gender? Is this correct?
how is that not the same thing? Could it be that you actually dont know shit about science or biology or know the underlying causes or even WHAT gender dysphoria actually is?
> not trans but acting like the end all to be all information on gender dysphoria
ah, there we go!
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swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 13 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,354
@492,342 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I do believe that. My brain is probably very similar to a males brain.
I do believe that. My brain is probably very similar to a males brain.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,355
@492,343 (G)
On those sites, so many of the males are sexist and homophobic. They act like nontrans men.
On those sites, so many of the males are sexist and homophobic. They act like nontrans men.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,357
@492,322 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
@492,338 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Don't you think that's overstating a bit? We don't know the cause, right?
What we do know is there are brain scan differences - but there are also brain scan differences that are the result of behavior, aren't there? For instance, one can develop depression or PTSD as a result of traumatic life events. And that depression or PTSD can later show up as differences in the way that person's brain functions which can show up in brain scans. Yes? Doesn't change that the traumatic life event is what caused the depression or PTSD in the first place, just shows that those dysfunctions do have biological markers.
At least what I read from the wiki, the biological basis is still theorized. It's just that you can see there is a difference when you look at the brain. What caused it is still very much up in the air. Am I missing something?
@492,338 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Don't you think that's overstating a bit? We don't know the cause, right?
What we do know is there are brain scan differences - but there are also brain scan differences that are the result of behavior, aren't there? For instance, one can develop depression or PTSD as a result of traumatic life events. And that depression or PTSD can later show up as differences in the way that person's brain functions which can show up in brain scans. Yes? Doesn't change that the traumatic life event is what caused the depression or PTSD in the first place, just shows that those dysfunctions do have biological markers.
At least what I read from the wiki, the biological basis is still theorized. It's just that you can see there is a difference when you look at the brain. What caused it is still very much up in the air. Am I missing something?
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Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 15 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,365
@492,322 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Okay, so you don't have a comeback to that, then. Thanks for playing!
ive been waiting for you to respond to everything ive posted so far and you havent
whats your excuse
> Okay, so you don't have a comeback to that, then. Thanks for playing!
ive been waiting for you to respond to everything ive posted so far and you havent
whats your excuse
Anonymous G double-posted this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,366
@492,355 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
> On those sites, so many of the males are sexist and homophobic. They act like nontrans men.
i also find it funny that there are a -TON- of homophobic trans people
so, back to killer letuce, are you going to try to refute anything ive said or are you just going to post a sassy quip that has nothing to do with the subject at hand considering besides the wiki link, thats literally all you've done so far.
gender dysmorphia is a mental illness that has no basis in reality, yet even with the wiki link you posted- it still goes back to the fact that it is a biological problem in the brain, hence, MENTAL ILLNESS.
Are you fucking illiterate or something? I would have expected this out of syntax or catherine (both who have mental illness, though ill let you guess which ones) but to sit and throw a fit when the facts are presented to you is really childish.
go back to tumblr you idiotic piece of shit.
> On those sites, so many of the males are sexist and homophobic. They act like nontrans men.
i also find it funny that there are a -TON- of homophobic trans people
so, back to killer letuce, are you going to try to refute anything ive said or are you just going to post a sassy quip that has nothing to do with the subject at hand considering besides the wiki link, thats literally all you've done so far.
gender dysmorphia is a mental illness that has no basis in reality, yet even with the wiki link you posted- it still goes back to the fact that it is a biological problem in the brain, hence, MENTAL ILLNESS.
Are you fucking illiterate or something? I would have expected this out of syntax or catherine (both who have mental illness, though ill let you guess which ones) but to sit and throw a fit when the facts are presented to you is really childish.
go back to tumblr you idiotic piece of shit.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,368
@492,354 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
But this in itself doesn't make you comparable to transexuals.
@492,357 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
There's also cases of it occurring in early childhood, quite a few trans people note that their biological gender felt "wrong" in early childhood.
I'm curious, what do you suppose would be an environmental cause that triggers such a significant change in behaviour? That could turn a person transexual? The examples you noted, PSD or depression, are both the results of se very heavy environmental influences. Do you reckon that this theorised environmental influence would be similarly significant?
But this in itself doesn't make you comparable to transexuals.
@492,357 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
There's also cases of it occurring in early childhood, quite a few trans people note that their biological gender felt "wrong" in early childhood.
I'm curious, what do you suppose would be an environmental cause that triggers such a significant change in behaviour? That could turn a person transexual? The examples you noted, PSD or depression, are both the results of se very heavy environmental influences. Do you reckon that this theorised environmental influence would be similarly significant?
Anonymous G replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,370
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> But this in itself doesn't make you comparable to transexuals.
>
>
> There's also cases of it occurring in early childhood, quite a few trans people note that their biological gender felt "wrong" in early childhood.
>
> I'm curious, what do you suppose would be an environmental cause that triggers such a significant change in behaviour? That could turn a person transexual? The examples you noted, PSD or depression, are both the results of se very heavy environmental influences. Do you reckon that this theorised environmental influence would be similarly significant?
hey kl still waiting on those answers that you so claim to have
> doesn't even know that transexual and transgendered arent mutually exclusive
you're truly retarded
> But this in itself doesn't make you comparable to transexuals.
>
>
> There's also cases of it occurring in early childhood, quite a few trans people note that their biological gender felt "wrong" in early childhood.
>
> I'm curious, what do you suppose would be an environmental cause that triggers such a significant change in behaviour? That could turn a person transexual? The examples you noted, PSD or depression, are both the results of se very heavy environmental influences. Do you reckon that this theorised environmental influence would be similarly significant?
hey kl still waiting on those answers that you so claim to have
> doesn't even know that transexual and transgendered arent mutually exclusive
you're truly retarded
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 10 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,374
@492,368 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Behavior is the biggest influence on the brain, yes? It's not hard to convince yourself something is wrong with you, for your behavior to change, and for that change in behavior and thinking to then show up in brain scans or what have you.
I mean - are there any studies that can predict whether someone will have gender dysphoria later on, before they've started believing that that's what they have?
(I do think there's a biological basis for it, actually, but I don't see the 'causation' in what you linked to. Just correlation.)
Behavior is the biggest influence on the brain, yes? It's not hard to convince yourself something is wrong with you, for your behavior to change, and for that change in behavior and thinking to then show up in brain scans or what have you.
I mean - are there any studies that can predict whether someone will have gender dysphoria later on, before they've started believing that that's what they have?
(I do think there's a biological basis for it, actually, but I don't see the 'causation' in what you linked to. Just correlation.)
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,378
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,395
Biology, is in fact, the greatest influence on biology. I wish Becky would fuck off with her constructivist-environmentalist garbage.
The biological basis is a pathological one that must be rectified (and should be our obligation to), but there is nonetheless a biological basis.
I find it interesting that Anonymous G rightfully points out the similarity in the diagnostic rubric between mental disorders such as autism and bipolar, and the alleged 'legitimate medical condition' (which in fact is still classified as a mental illness in the DSM-V) of transgenderism/gender dysphoria, from which transsexualism is merely a sub-categorized condition, rather than it being a theoretically proven phenomenon in its own right. Brain structural differences in transsexuals at the moment appear to be investigated entirely in isolation as their own entities rather than parralels being drawn between neurological structural differences found in those suffering with transsexualism and those structural differences found in other mental illnesses which, in ages prior, and outside the US by large, they would've been(/are still being, and frequently in co-morbidity with; in the UK, 40% of those diagnosed with GID in 2011 were also diagnosed with a psychotic disorder) diagnosed.
It would seem straightforward that, if behavioural manifestations are largely similar to those in other mental illnesses ("acknowledge my delusions and re-craft reality in my image") that such parralels must exist, for the neurological basis from which those must spring forth must bare like similarities.
The biological basis is a pathological one that must be rectified (and should be our obligation to), but there is nonetheless a biological basis.
I find it interesting that Anonymous G rightfully points out the similarity in the diagnostic rubric between mental disorders such as autism and bipolar, and the alleged 'legitimate medical condition' (which in fact is still classified as a mental illness in the DSM-V) of transgenderism/gender dysphoria, from which transsexualism is merely a sub-categorized condition, rather than it being a theoretically proven phenomenon in its own right. Brain structural differences in transsexuals at the moment appear to be investigated entirely in isolation as their own entities rather than parralels being drawn between neurological structural differences found in those suffering with transsexualism and those structural differences found in other mental illnesses which, in ages prior, and outside the US by large, they would've been(/are still being, and frequently in co-morbidity with; in the UK, 40% of those diagnosed with GID in 2011 were also diagnosed with a psychotic disorder) diagnosed.
It would seem straightforward that, if behavioural manifestations are largely similar to those in other mental illnesses ("acknowledge my delusions and re-craft reality in my image") that such parralels must exist, for the neurological basis from which those must spring forth must bare like similarities.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,402
@492,374 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> I mean - are there any studies that can predict whether someone will have gender dysphoria later on, before they've started believing that that's what they have?
Hard to say. I'm not aware of any. The thing is that "believing that's what they have"... Is the start of being aware of it. There's not really any way to tell before they express discomfort with their biological gender.
> but I don't see the 'causation' in what you linked to. Just correlation.
Allright, that's a fair point.
The reason I'm saying that it's (most likely) a biological thing is that... There just doesn't seem to be any compelling evidence for some enviornmental cause. We've got all of these observed biological things going on, while there doesn't seem that a consistent envrionmental factor has been identified. At most I can see vague theories about emotional distress or trauma, but they just don't seem to have pinned down anything solid on that front. And even then, it's not definite proof, as any stressors may well have been caused by the child's "unusual" behaviour in the first place.
@492,378 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I've already said. You are comfortable with your biological gender.
But hey, I found a pretty relevant study: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01541415
In a nutshell, they compared some FTM transexuals to some lesbians. Both groups displayed "tomboyish" behaviour. However, they also different in some interesting ways. Namely, most of the transexuals cross-dressed as children whilst none of the lesbians did. None of the lesbians had any gender identity confusin either, while the transexuals did. Finally, 70% of the transexuals reacted negatively to to breast development whilst only 10% of the lesbians did.
Now, I think that this neatly demonstrates that transexuals do engage in behaviours that are unique to their condition, and do differ in significant ways from other "tomboyish" individuals. I'm guessing that you had no urge to cross-dress, were never confused about your gender, and didn't react negatively to developing breasts?
> I mean - are there any studies that can predict whether someone will have gender dysphoria later on, before they've started believing that that's what they have?
Hard to say. I'm not aware of any. The thing is that "believing that's what they have"... Is the start of being aware of it. There's not really any way to tell before they express discomfort with their biological gender.
> but I don't see the 'causation' in what you linked to. Just correlation.
Allright, that's a fair point.
The reason I'm saying that it's (most likely) a biological thing is that... There just doesn't seem to be any compelling evidence for some enviornmental cause. We've got all of these observed biological things going on, while there doesn't seem that a consistent envrionmental factor has been identified. At most I can see vague theories about emotional distress or trauma, but they just don't seem to have pinned down anything solid on that front. And even then, it's not definite proof, as any stressors may well have been caused by the child's "unusual" behaviour in the first place.
@492,378 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I've already said. You are comfortable with your biological gender.
But hey, I found a pretty relevant study: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01541415
In a nutshell, they compared some FTM transexuals to some lesbians. Both groups displayed "tomboyish" behaviour. However, they also different in some interesting ways. Namely, most of the transexuals cross-dressed as children whilst none of the lesbians did. None of the lesbians had any gender identity confusin either, while the transexuals did. Finally, 70% of the transexuals reacted negatively to to breast development whilst only 10% of the lesbians did.
Now, I think that this neatly demonstrates that transexuals do engage in behaviours that are unique to their condition, and do differ in significant ways from other "tomboyish" individuals. I'm guessing that you had no urge to cross-dress, were never confused about your gender, and didn't react negatively to developing breasts?
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,406
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> > I mean - are there any studies that can predict whether someone will have gender dysphoria later on, before they've started believing that that's what they have?
> Hard to say. I'm not aware of any. The thing is that "believing that's what they have"... Is the start of being aware of it. There's not really any way to tell before they express discomfort with their biological gender.
Yeah, I mean, you could probably do a snapshot in time of a large group of kids, and then find out later who turned out to be transgender. Probably tough with the numbers though.
> The reason I'm saying that it's (most likely) a biological thing is that... There just doesn't seem to be any compelling evidence for some enviornmental cause. We've got all of these observed biological things going on, while there doesn't seem that a consistent envrionmental factor has been identified. At most I can see vague theories about emotional distress or trauma, but they just don't seem to have pinned down anything solid on that front. And even then, it's not definite proof, as any stressors may well have been caused by the child's "unusual" behaviour in the first place.
I agree with you. I think it's a real (biological) thing, I just don't know how you prove that at this point.
> > I mean - are there any studies that can predict whether someone will have gender dysphoria later on, before they've started believing that that's what they have?
> Hard to say. I'm not aware of any. The thing is that "believing that's what they have"... Is the start of being aware of it. There's not really any way to tell before they express discomfort with their biological gender.
Yeah, I mean, you could probably do a snapshot in time of a large group of kids, and then find out later who turned out to be transgender. Probably tough with the numbers though.
> The reason I'm saying that it's (most likely) a biological thing is that... There just doesn't seem to be any compelling evidence for some enviornmental cause. We've got all of these observed biological things going on, while there doesn't seem that a consistent envrionmental factor has been identified. At most I can see vague theories about emotional distress or trauma, but they just don't seem to have pinned down anything solid on that front. And even then, it's not definite proof, as any stressors may well have been caused by the child's "unusual" behaviour in the first place.
I agree with you. I think it's a real (biological) thing, I just don't know how you prove that at this point.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,407
@492,402 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I didnt have to crossdress, I wore shorts and pants and shirts. I also was ambivalent about puberty because I knew that it was inevitable.
I didnt have to crossdress, I wore shorts and pants and shirts. I also was ambivalent about puberty because I knew that it was inevitable.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,409
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,411
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,416
@492,407 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
But what if you were born into an era where women were expected to wear only dresses and such?
Would you have "crossdressed" then? I put that in quotes because today wearing typically male clothing is normal for females.
But what if you were born into an era where women were expected to wear only dresses and such?
Would you have "crossdressed" then? I put that in quotes because today wearing typically male clothing is normal for females.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 31 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,418
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,420
@492,407 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
So... You didn't really engage in the behaviours cited in that study, then?
> I also was ambivalent about puberty because I knew that it was inevitable.
This actually supports my point. You didn't feel the same way about it as the trans kids, and they likely knew that it was inevitable too.
@492,406 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> I just don't know how you prove that at this point.
It may be beyond us, right now. In my view, a way to get defintie proof would be to somehow examine the biology of a very large group of foetuses from the womb onwards, as well as their environment growing up. Then see which of them becomes transexual, and look at the biological and environmental factors, seeing what came first and what is consistent across the transexuals. Though this would be a pretty damn massive undertaking.
So... You didn't really engage in the behaviours cited in that study, then?
> I also was ambivalent about puberty because I knew that it was inevitable.
This actually supports my point. You didn't feel the same way about it as the trans kids, and they likely knew that it was inevitable too.
@492,406 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> I just don't know how you prove that at this point.
It may be beyond us, right now. In my view, a way to get defintie proof would be to somehow examine the biology of a very large group of foetuses from the womb onwards, as well as their environment growing up. Then see which of them becomes transexual, and look at the biological and environmental factors, seeing what came first and what is consistent across the transexuals. Though this would be a pretty damn massive undertaking.
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,429
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
The morality of the most ethical scientists would never allow this undertaking to go ahead. It is sick, repulsive, disgusting, and puerile to go forth with such a study on the face of the presumption that such biological anomalies aren't pathological or should be encouraged or protected.
The morality of the most ethical scientists would never allow this undertaking to go ahead. It is sick, repulsive, disgusting, and puerile to go forth with such a study on the face of the presumption that such biological anomalies aren't pathological or should be encouraged or protected.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 42 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,431
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,443
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
And yet, the study found a distinction between the lesbians and the transexuals. While I can't access the full study in order to possibly ascertain more details, it seems that there is a distinction to be made.
And yet, the study found a distinction between the lesbians and the transexuals. While I can't access the full study in order to possibly ascertain more details, it seems that there is a distinction to be made.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,446
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Maybe but crossdressing has always been big thing in the lesbian community. Look at butches. They dont believe that they were born men, but they definitely dress like men.
Maybe but crossdressing has always been big thing in the lesbian community. Look at butches. They dont believe that they were born men, but they definitely dress like men.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,484
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Okay, but that doesn't really change what what the study found.
Buspuppie, why do you not want this to be real? Do you want transexual to just be "weird" tomboys/effeminate men so that they are easy to dismiss?
Okay, but that doesn't really change what what the study found.
Buspuppie, why do you not want this to be real? Do you want transexual to just be "weird" tomboys/effeminate men so that they are easy to dismiss?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,486
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I believe that its a real mental issue, that we dont yet understand
I believe that its a real mental issue, that we dont yet understand
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,487
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We understand pretty well that it appears to be biological in nature, and is distinct from somebody merely being a tomboy/effeminate male.
Honestly, you're sounding somewhat similar to those people who go around trying to prove that homosexuality is caused by childhood abuse, or whatever. In that you seem to want to make the condition seem "less real" so that it can be dismissed rather than regarded as a legitimate condition.
We understand pretty well that it appears to be biological in nature, and is distinct from somebody merely being a tomboy/effeminate male.
Honestly, you're sounding somewhat similar to those people who go around trying to prove that homosexuality is caused by childhood abuse, or whatever. In that you seem to want to make the condition seem "less real" so that it can be dismissed rather than regarded as a legitimate condition.
Dr. (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,488
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Actually, it seems like ulterior motivations stemming from a perverse agenda motivate you to legitimize an otherwise rightfully viewed as pathological condition, with academia following in your wake.
Actually, it seems like ulterior motivations stemming from a perverse agenda motivate you to legitimize an otherwise rightfully viewed as pathological condition, with academia following in your wake.