Topic: What the fuck is up with all of the TERFs and Nazis on here?
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB started this discussion 12 years ago #35,961
I'm going to be entirely honest, Minichan was less shit when it was a bunch of clueless liberals instead of the current crop of people who are deeply convinced of absolutely abhorrent ideology.
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Dr. joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 18 minutes later[^] [v] #492,012
You should consider yourself lucky that these forces mostly counter eachother (what with Kook's anti-patriotism and Walter's shemale chasing.)
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 43 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #492,013
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #492,014
At least all the Muslims are banned. Intolerance will not be tolerated.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,021
Most (if not all) of the "Nazis" here are just trolls. They do say some pretty awful stuff, but you shouldn't take them too seriously. It's their goal to piss you off, after all.
As for TERRs... I haven't seen that on here recently. It is dumb, but it doesn't feel like it has much of a presence, right now. And when it does come up, it's usually argued against.
Also, what do you mean by "clueless liberals", Joe? In what way are they clueless?
As for TERRs... I haven't seen that on here recently. It is dumb, but it doesn't feel like it has much of a presence, right now. And when it does come up, it's usually argued against.
Also, what do you mean by "clueless liberals", Joe? In what way are they clueless?
r04r joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,030
There are literally one or two people spammin ganti-nigger shit. That's all it is. If it's very obnoxious, report and move on.
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HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,035
@OP
Those aren't nazis, they're just gratingly boring trolls.
Those aren't nazis, they're just gratingly boring trolls.
Justin Igger joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,036
@OP> I'm going to be entirely honest, Minichan was less shit when it was a bunch of clueless liberals instead of the current crop of people who are deeply convinced of absolutely abhorrent ideology.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,038
What the fuck is a terf
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,039
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 34 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,040
@492,038 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
A trans-exculsionary radical feminist.
@492,035 (HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY)
The old-guard of racist trolling doesn't like these young upstrarts, it seems.
A trans-exculsionary radical feminist.
@492,035 (HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY)
The old-guard of racist trolling doesn't like these young upstrarts, it seems.
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 12 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,043
(Citing a deleted or non-existent reply.)Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 29 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,044
I agree with the sentiment but you were one of the 'clueless liberals' OP don't be a bitch
Anonymous C replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,051
Respond with thiskook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 16 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,052
Show us the terf posts,please.
Metæ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,053
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
To answer her question, however, I do believe a possible thread example can be found from Tinychan.
To answer her question, however, I do believe a possible thread example can be found from Tinychan.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,054
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 28 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,056
@492,012 (Dr.)
I guess that's a thing. Ideological tension in tiny spaces can be interesting!
@492,021 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Epic Ideological Burns against liberalism as a whole aside, I specifically mean people who consider themselves to be apolitical and passively agree with the prevailing liberal (using the leftist definition here, not the American vernacular one) ideology of the time.
@492,044 (K)
You're right, I was! I was also fifteen.
@492,052 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Whenever you interrupt actually useful discourse on gender with weird '70s essentialist garbage, TBH.
I guess that's a thing. Ideological tension in tiny spaces can be interesting!
@492,021 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Epic Ideological Burns against liberalism as a whole aside, I specifically mean people who consider themselves to be apolitical and passively agree with the prevailing liberal (using the leftist definition here, not the American vernacular one) ideology of the time.
@492,044 (K)
You're right, I was! I was also fifteen.
@492,052 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Whenever you interrupt actually useful discourse on gender with weird '70s essentialist garbage, TBH.
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,057
LOL I'm basically just a racist liberal anymore.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,058
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,059
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I wasn't going to wade into this... But, I mean, YOLO, right?
You can come across as a TERF, a lot of the time. Like when you're against trans men using female bathrooms at all on suspicion of them probably just being perverts, or your mocking "ladystick" comments. You just seem to have a distaste for transexuals in general.
Though I ever so slightly hesitate to outright call you one, as I remember that you did once express sympathy for how difficult it must be for trans people.
I wasn't going to wade into this... But, I mean, YOLO, right?
You can come across as a TERF, a lot of the time. Like when you're against trans men using female bathrooms at all on suspicion of them probably just being perverts, or your mocking "ladystick" comments. You just seem to have a distaste for transexuals in general.
Though I ever so slightly hesitate to outright call you one, as I remember that you did once express sympathy for how difficult it must be for trans people.
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beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,060
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I think it's mostly a reaction to how misogynistic transwomen can be, plus a smidgeon of chantrollery.
I really don't see a need for transwomen to use women's bathrooms.
I think it's mostly a reaction to how misogynistic transwomen can be, plus a smidgeon of chantrollery.
I really don't see a need for transwomen to use women's bathrooms.
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Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,061
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,063
@492,060 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
If they can pass as a girl, why would they have to go to a male bathroom? That's just going to cause other forms of chaos.
If they can pass as a girl, why would they have to go to a male bathroom? That's just going to cause other forms of chaos.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 34 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,064
0@492,040 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
And whats a trans exclusionary feminist?
Wait nevermind. And find "ladystick" to be a very comical term. Whenever i see it i think of bella drunekly waving her ladystick at passerbies
And whats a trans exclusionary feminist?
Wait nevermind. And find "ladystick" to be a very comical term. Whenever i see it i think of bella drunekly waving her ladystick at passerbies
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beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,065
@492,063 (HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY)
I don't feel comfortable with biological men in the same bathroom as me. I regret that transwomen don't feel comfortable in the same bathroom as other biological men - but why is the best solution to ensure that a greater number of people are made uncomfortable?
I don't feel comfortable with biological men in the same bathroom as me. I regret that transwomen don't feel comfortable in the same bathroom as other biological men - but why is the best solution to ensure that a greater number of people are made uncomfortable?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 25 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,066
@492,060 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
? You're saying that trans people "can be misogynistic"? That's a bit of a generalisation, don't you think? Maybe some of them can be that way, but I think it's unfair to say that they're all like that.
As for the bathroom issue, I would generally support a trans person being able to live as the gender that they choose to. And I don't see any real issue with them using women's bathroom's, other than some women possibly being uncomfortable with it because they aren't used to the idea of trans people in general.
I suppose that the argument against it would be people exploiting it, though. Like perverts pretending to be trans to be allowed to hang around in female bathrooms. And that would be bad. A good solution I saw on here once was some sort of unisex bathroom (as in for anyone), which could work. But yeah, it's a tricky issue.
? You're saying that trans people "can be misogynistic"? That's a bit of a generalisation, don't you think? Maybe some of them can be that way, but I think it's unfair to say that they're all like that.
As for the bathroom issue, I would generally support a trans person being able to live as the gender that they choose to. And I don't see any real issue with them using women's bathroom's, other than some women possibly being uncomfortable with it because they aren't used to the idea of trans people in general.
I suppose that the argument against it would be people exploiting it, though. Like perverts pretending to be trans to be allowed to hang around in female bathrooms. And that would be bad. A good solution I saw on here once was some sort of unisex bathroom (as in for anyone), which could work. But yeah, it's a tricky issue.
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,068
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,069
@492,065 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
I don't think that that's really a good reason. Just this vague sense of unease because something feels "untraditional" to people.
It probably made quite a few people "uncomfortable" when racial segregation was ended, or when women were given the vote.
I don't think that that's really a good reason. Just this vague sense of unease because something feels "untraditional" to people.
It probably made quite a few people "uncomfortable" when racial segregation was ended, or when women were given the vote.
Anonymous P replied with this 12 years ago, 11 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,070
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,071
@492,069 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> It probably made quite a few people "uncomfortable" when racial segregation was ended, or when women were given the vote.
Yep, and look at what that's brought us. Integration led to racial conflict, riots and white flight, all for what, letting black people live next to non-black people? And when women gained the right to vote the govt. spending skyrocketed.
> It probably made quite a few people "uncomfortable" when racial segregation was ended, or when women were given the vote.
Yep, and look at what that's brought us. Integration led to racial conflict, riots and white flight, all for what, letting black people live next to non-black people? And when women gained the right to vote the govt. spending skyrocketed.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 42 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,074
@492,066 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Yeah, I've seen a lot of it on the chans. I've found some of the gender-questioning people to be really into enforcing gender stereotypes (making fun of flat-chested, fat, unattractive, etc. women more than any of the men here) while still retaining whatever male privilege they can.
Demanding to use women's bathroom is male privilege. Men are raised to demand access to whatever they want, women's feelings be damned; it's the same idea with rape culture. You don't see the same kind of demands from FTM transgender people.
I have no problem with a post-surgery person using women's bathrooms.
Yeah, I've seen a lot of it on the chans. I've found some of the gender-questioning people to be really into enforcing gender stereotypes (making fun of flat-chested, fat, unattractive, etc. women more than any of the men here) while still retaining whatever male privilege they can.
Demanding to use women's bathroom is male privilege. Men are raised to demand access to whatever they want, women's feelings be damned; it's the same idea with rape culture. You don't see the same kind of demands from FTM transgender people.
I have no problem with a post-surgery person using women's bathrooms.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,075
@492,069 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> I don't think that that's really a good reason. Just this vague sense of unease because something feels "untraditional" to people.
Oh, fuck off. 1/4 of women have been sexually assaulted by their young adult years. Men demanding access to spaces where they take off their clothes is not okay, there's no way to police it, and women should not have to put up with it. Cut off your dick if it's that important to you.
> I don't think that that's really a good reason. Just this vague sense of unease because something feels "untraditional" to people.
Oh, fuck off. 1/4 of women have been sexually assaulted by their young adult years. Men demanding access to spaces where they take off their clothes is not okay, there's no way to police it, and women should not have to put up with it. Cut off your dick if it's that important to you.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 51 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,076
@492,040 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
i havent seen any radical feminists on here though.
if making posts on the internet is radical, that word has lost all its meaning.
i havent seen any radical feminists on here though.
if making posts on the internet is radical, that word has lost all its meaning.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,080
@492,074 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
"Seeing a lot of it" doesn't really justify it. Loud minorities, and all that. You're less likely to see the reasonable, more mild ones. It just isn't a good reason to make such a huge generalisation.
I'm unsure about the second part. One could also take the view that it's controversial because they are biological men asking for access to female bathrooms, with men going into a female bathroom usually being seen as perverted. So they get made out worse by the media and such. Regardless, though, I don't think it's really driven by aggression or make privilege. They just want to live in a way that feels comfortable to them.
@492,071 (HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY)
See, this is what I'm talking about. Walt knows how to do racist trolling. These rookies we have on here these days could learn a thing or two from you, Walter.
"Seeing a lot of it" doesn't really justify it. Loud minorities, and all that. You're less likely to see the reasonable, more mild ones. It just isn't a good reason to make such a huge generalisation.
I'm unsure about the second part. One could also take the view that it's controversial because they are biological men asking for access to female bathrooms, with men going into a female bathroom usually being seen as perverted. So they get made out worse by the media and such. Regardless, though, I don't think it's really driven by aggression or make privilege. They just want to live in a way that feels comfortable to them.
@492,071 (HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY)
See, this is what I'm talking about. Walt knows how to do racist trolling. These rookies we have on here these days could learn a thing or two from you, Walter.
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,082
@492,075 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> 1/4 of women have been sexually assaulted by their young adult years.
lol, have you read the study that statistic is based on, by chance?
> 1/4 of women have been sexually assaulted by their young adult years.
lol, have you read the study that statistic is based on, by chance?
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,083
@492,080 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> "Seeing a lot of it" doesn't really justify it. Loud minorities, and all that. You're less likely to see the reasonable, more mild ones. It just isn't a good reason to make such a huge generalisation.
Sure, you have a point there.
> I'm unsure about the second part. One could also take the view that it's controversial because they are biological men asking for access to female bathrooms, with men going into a female bathroom usually being seen as perverted. So they get made out worse by the media and such. Regardless, though, I don't think it's really driven by aggression or make privilege. They just want to live in a way that feels comfortable to them.
So do women! Why do transwomen's wants trump?
I find your comparison to racial integration shocking. Do you really find that to be the same thing? We're not talking about an "ick" factor here.
> "Seeing a lot of it" doesn't really justify it. Loud minorities, and all that. You're less likely to see the reasonable, more mild ones. It just isn't a good reason to make such a huge generalisation.
Sure, you have a point there.
> I'm unsure about the second part. One could also take the view that it's controversial because they are biological men asking for access to female bathrooms, with men going into a female bathroom usually being seen as perverted. So they get made out worse by the media and such. Regardless, though, I don't think it's really driven by aggression or make privilege. They just want to live in a way that feels comfortable to them.
So do women! Why do transwomen's wants trump?
I find your comparison to racial integration shocking. Do you really find that to be the same thing? We're not talking about an "ick" factor here.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,084
@492,082 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
No - do you happen to have a link? I do recall that it collapses a number of flavors of assault, including attempt, into one. But I don't find that a problem for purposes of discussing the fears women have of biological men in their bathrooms.
No - do you happen to have a link? I do recall that it collapses a number of flavors of assault, including attempt, into one. But I don't find that a problem for purposes of discussing the fears women have of biological men in their bathrooms.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 45 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,085
@492,075 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Yes... And and I acknowledged that risk earlier, over here @492,066 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Yes... And and I acknowledged that risk earlier, over here @492,066 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,086
@492,083 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> Why do transwomen's wants trump?
Oh, I didn't understand this at first. But yeah, I stick to my original point. I don't see the discomfort as justified, if we're just applying it to actual transexuals who aren't perverts.
As for the racial comparison, I made it because it was the same principle. People being uncomfortable with a minority group getting some sort of new freedom because some perceive them as a threat of some kind. Which was a good counter-point to your initial post on that, which just talked about a vague feeling of discomfort.
> Why do transwomen's wants trump?
Oh, I didn't understand this at first. But yeah, I stick to my original point. I don't see the discomfort as justified, if we're just applying it to actual transexuals who aren't perverts.
As for the racial comparison, I made it because it was the same principle. People being uncomfortable with a minority group getting some sort of new freedom because some perceive them as a threat of some kind. Which was a good counter-point to your initial post on that, which just talked about a vague feeling of discomfort.
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beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,087
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Oh, got it.
I really didn't think I would have to explain the discomfort that women have with this. I wouldn't have to explain it to a female poster, I'm sure. Male privilege strikes again ("the poor dears must think transwomen just have cooties. Here, let me try to explain to the poor things...")
Oh, got it.
I really didn't think I would have to explain the discomfort that women have with this. I wouldn't have to explain it to a female poster, I'm sure. Male privilege strikes again ("the poor dears must think transwomen just have cooties. Here, let me try to explain to the poor things...")
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,088
@previous (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Okay, you're just going to be obnoxious now, then. Good talk while it lasted, though.
Okay, you're just going to be obnoxious now, then. Good talk while it lasted, though.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 43 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,089
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, it honestly came across that way to me. This topic really gets to me, though - I usually stay out of it for this reason.
No, it honestly came across that way to me. This topic really gets to me, though - I usually stay out of it for this reason.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,091
@previous (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Well that really wasn't my intention. All I'm arguing is that this group that's had a very hard time of it get the best outcome.
Look, I'll clarify. I don't agree with a discomfort at trans people in general being allowed to use female bathrooms. Like, distaste at just the idea of a trans person being in a women's bathroom.
But, at the same time, I do acknowledge that it carries with it a risk of perverts exploiting it, and that's a legitimate reason to be cautious about this. Hence, I'm kinda undecided on it. But I also see some general transphobia seeping in anyway, which I will argue against.
Also, the insinuation that I'm being in some way sexist stung, a little. I'm strongly in favour of gender equality. I certainly wasn't aiming to give an impression that was contrary to that.
Well that really wasn't my intention. All I'm arguing is that this group that's had a very hard time of it get the best outcome.
Look, I'll clarify. I don't agree with a discomfort at trans people in general being allowed to use female bathrooms. Like, distaste at just the idea of a trans person being in a women's bathroom.
But, at the same time, I do acknowledge that it carries with it a risk of perverts exploiting it, and that's a legitimate reason to be cautious about this. Hence, I'm kinda undecided on it. But I also see some general transphobia seeping in anyway, which I will argue against.
Also, the insinuation that I'm being in some way sexist stung, a little. I'm strongly in favour of gender equality. I certainly wasn't aiming to give an impression that was contrary to that.
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swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,093
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
It isnt about a distate for trans people. Its about females not wanting to be in vulnerable positions with males.
It isnt about a distate for trans people. Its about females not wanting to be in vulnerable positions with males.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,094
@492,091 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> All I'm arguing is that this group that's had a very hard time of it get the best outcome.
The problem here is we're dealing with two such groups - pre-op transwomen, and women who legitimately fear for themselves in a vulnerable place like a bathroom.
I DO think this speaks to male privilege - a lack of understanding of the vulnerabilities of being women. This isn't about distaste - that was a word you brought in here. I said "not comfortable," and you decided to give my feelings the most negative and dismissive connotation you could - because, again, you don't, and cannot get what it means to be vulnerable. The only vulnerabilities you see here are transwomen's.
> All I'm arguing is that this group that's had a very hard time of it get the best outcome.
The problem here is we're dealing with two such groups - pre-op transwomen, and women who legitimately fear for themselves in a vulnerable place like a bathroom.
I DO think this speaks to male privilege - a lack of understanding of the vulnerabilities of being women. This isn't about distaste - that was a word you brought in here. I said "not comfortable," and you decided to give my feelings the most negative and dismissive connotation you could - because, again, you don't, and cannot get what it means to be vulnerable. The only vulnerabilities you see here are transwomen's.
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,095
@492,084 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED267321.pdf It's hard to read but you can Ctrl+F to find important bits.
It asks, amongst other questions, "Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?" (lol) to determine if a woman had been raped.
73% of those she included in the rape category said they were not raped.
http://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED267321.pdf It's hard to read but you can Ctrl+F to find important bits.
It asks, amongst other questions, "Have you had sexual intercourse when you didn't want to because a man gave you alcohol or drugs?" (lol) to determine if a woman had been raped.
73% of those she included in the rape category said they were not raped.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 45 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,096
@492,091 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I didn't call you sexist. I pointed out the male privilege, which goes a lot deeper than the conscious opinions on equality that people hold.
I think your deeper feelings ARE shown by how you imply kook and I just have "distaste" or some kind of ick-factor against transwomen. You're very quick to give the worst gloss to our feelings, while being upset that we might, just might, recognize some privilege in yours.
I didn't call you sexist. I pointed out the male privilege, which goes a lot deeper than the conscious opinions on equality that people hold.
I think your deeper feelings ARE shown by how you imply kook and I just have "distaste" or some kind of ick-factor against transwomen. You're very quick to give the worst gloss to our feelings, while being upset that we might, just might, recognize some privilege in yours.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 21 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,097
@492,087 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Youre right, you wouldnt have to explain it to another female. Males dont understand this type of thinking because the idea of females using their facilities Isnt scary.Because they arent afraid of females.
Youre right, you wouldnt have to explain it to another female. Males dont understand this type of thinking because the idea of females using their facilities Isnt scary.Because they arent afraid of females.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 56 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,098
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 47 seconds later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,099
@492,091 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Why is allowing males to use womens facilities a good outcome for females?
Why is allowing males to use womens facilities a good outcome for females?
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,100
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,101
I'm glad this issue which perhaps 0.0001% of people will experience is being given the attention it deserves by both Minichan and the Internet at large. ( ͡~ ͜ʖ ͡°)Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,102
@492,094 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Uh, I've twice ackowledged why women might feel uneasy about this, there being a risk of perverts exploiting it. I'm not actually dismissing why women might have reservations about it at all. I noted it in my very first post on the bathrooms specifically, even.
@492,096 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> you imply kook and I just have "distaste" or some kind of ick-factor against transwomen.
You have both said things that give me that impression. Your generalising of them as "can be misogynistic" certainly sounded like a general dislike of trans people in general. I wouldn't have gotten that impression of you, otherwise.
@492,099 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I was referring to transexuals. And I'm not advocating for males in general to be allowed in.
Uh, I've twice ackowledged why women might feel uneasy about this, there being a risk of perverts exploiting it. I'm not actually dismissing why women might have reservations about it at all. I noted it in my very first post on the bathrooms specifically, even.
@492,096 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> you imply kook and I just have "distaste" or some kind of ick-factor against transwomen.
You have both said things that give me that impression. Your generalising of them as "can be misogynistic" certainly sounded like a general dislike of trans people in general. I wouldn't have gotten that impression of you, otherwise.
@492,099 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I was referring to transexuals. And I'm not advocating for males in general to be allowed in.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 11 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,106
@492,101 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
≥0.15%.
Seems simple to me — you literally don't see the genitalia of other people in a washroom which has stalls and no urinals (women's or gender neutral washrooms). Issue fucking gone. Unless you're a gigantic creep who tries to look into occupied stalls, you'll never know if a woman has a dick, vice versa.
≥0.15%.
Seems simple to me — you literally don't see the genitalia of other people in a washroom which has stalls and no urinals (women's or gender neutral washrooms). Issue fucking gone. Unless you're a gigantic creep who tries to look into occupied stalls, you'll never know if a woman has a dick, vice versa.
Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 56 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,107
I'm always surprised by the number and depth of the tranny-cisfemale relations, tranny bathrooms and tranny studies experts in general here on minichan. Keep on trucking!
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,109
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,110
@492,106 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
Sorry, but females still dont want to share restrooms with males. Gender irrelevant.
Sorry, but females still dont want to share restrooms with males. Gender irrelevant.
(Edited 5 minutes later.)
Anonymous S joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,111
Should homos be forbidden to use male bathrooms? What if one of them tries to look at my penis, or rapes my unassuming anus while I'm in a vulnerable situation(i.e. pissing). I feel extremely uncomfortable with this situations. Everyone knows how mtm rape is common in all-male environments, such as prison and army. Public restrooms are no different.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,112
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,113
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,114
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,115
@492,110 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
1. Using "male" and "female" as nouns in reference to people sounds fucking creepy and dehumanising. I've only ever heard it from MRAs and TERFs, so... yeah. You're skeeving me the fuck out already.
2. What is sex? I will keep asking this question for as long as "sex", as a relevant concept, is in our discourse. How do you define "sex"?
3. A woman walks into the washroom, does her business, and leaves, just like any other woman. She happens to have a penis. How is this equivalent to a man going into a women's washroom and creeping on people?
1. Using "male" and "female" as nouns in reference to people sounds fucking creepy and dehumanising. I've only ever heard it from MRAs and TERFs, so... yeah. You're skeeving me the fuck out already.
2. What is sex? I will keep asking this question for as long as "sex", as a relevant concept, is in our discourse. How do you define "sex"?
3. A woman walks into the washroom, does her business, and leaves, just like any other woman. She happens to have a penis. How is this equivalent to a man going into a women's washroom and creeping on people?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,116
@492,109 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
What I'd want is for only people who were verifiably serious about transitioning to be allowed. So maybe being on hormone replacement therapy for a long time would be acceptable? But then, that may not be a perfect measure. It is less obstructive than post-ops only, but it's less likely to confirm legitimacy, perhaps? As I said, it's a tricky issue.
@492,113 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Quality reply.
Also, I feel like you're trying to frame my whole reasoning here in terms of my gender. I'd argue similarly for any issue comparable to this one, really. Like, I'd argue exactly the same way if it was FTM transexuals wanting to go into male bathrooms. My concern is for people to as equally treated as is possible.
What I'd want is for only people who were verifiably serious about transitioning to be allowed. So maybe being on hormone replacement therapy for a long time would be acceptable? But then, that may not be a perfect measure. It is less obstructive than post-ops only, but it's less likely to confirm legitimacy, perhaps? As I said, it's a tricky issue.
@492,113 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Quality reply.
Also, I feel like you're trying to frame my whole reasoning here in terms of my gender. I'd argue similarly for any issue comparable to this one, really. Like, I'd argue exactly the same way if it was FTM transexuals wanting to go into male bathrooms. My concern is for people to as equally treated as is possible.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,117
@492,115 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
I dont care if you find it to be creepy. you're a fucking otherkin,brah.
I dont care if you find it to be creepy. you're a fucking otherkin,brah.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,118
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I'm not, though.
You, on the other hand, seem to be gleefully stuck in ideological traditions which have entirely stagnated for forty years, deliberately ignoring any new research and exploration of what gender is beyond weird fucking essentialist stuff which is usually used by manosphere ideologues to excuse rape culture. Like. Your ideology is transphobic, classist, imperialistic, colonialist, racist, and actually literally misogynistic, so just fuck off back to the early '70s or keep up with the times.
I'm not, though.
You, on the other hand, seem to be gleefully stuck in ideological traditions which have entirely stagnated for forty years, deliberately ignoring any new research and exploration of what gender is beyond weird fucking essentialist stuff which is usually used by manosphere ideologues to excuse rape culture. Like. Your ideology is transphobic, classist, imperialistic, colonialist, racist, and actually literally misogynistic, so just fuck off back to the early '70s or keep up with the times.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,119
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,120
@492,112 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Take what up? Take a cock in my ass? Are you telling me to go and get raped? How awful you are.
Take what up? Take a cock in my ass? Are you telling me to go and get raped? How awful you are.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 23 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,121
no one actually cares about this!!
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,122
@previous (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
This. It's uncool to care about things. Apathy is the hip thing, these days.
This. It's uncool to care about things. Apathy is the hip thing, these days.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 19 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,126
@492,119 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
I'm not right now, at least! Slight gender doubts and confusion and stuff, but I think it'd be appropriative for me to consider myself anything but cis in my current state.
I'm not right now, at least! Slight gender doubts and confusion and stuff, but I think it'd be appropriative for me to consider myself anything but cis in my current state.
Dr. replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,127
@previous (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
> inane consternation over whether his identity is 'appropriative'
> the hilarious irony of his own communism preventing him from becoming trans
I love retarded leftists.
> inane consternation over whether his identity is 'appropriative'
> the hilarious irony of his own communism preventing him from becoming trans
I love retarded leftists.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,130
@492,118 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)> I'm not, though.
>
> You, on the other hand, seem to be gleefully stuck in ideological traditions which have entirely stagnated for forty years, deliberately ignoring any new research and exploration of what gender is beyond weird fucking essentialist stuff which is usually used by manosphere ideologues to excuse rape culture. Like. Your ideology is transphobic, classist, imperialistic, colonialist, racist, and actually literally misogynistic, so just fuck off back to the early '70s or keep up with the times.
Get in line or gtfo? Sounds like a perfectly reasonable stance to take on the issue.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,132
@492,127 (Dr.)
Huh, you called Joe a communist. You must have been around the BBS scene for a while, then. Interesting.
Huh, you called Joe a communist. You must have been around the BBS scene for a while, then. Interesting.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,133
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,145
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 53 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,148
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,151
@492,122 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I was actually just saying this is essentially a non-issue. see also @492,101 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
I was actually just saying this is essentially a non-issue. see also @492,101 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 12 years ago, 0 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,152
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,153
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,157
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,159
@492,153 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
yes but honestly how often do you run into a transgender person on a toilet?
yes but honestly how often do you run into a transgender person on a toilet?
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,160
@492,157 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
That's furry, not otherkin. If I were otherkin, I'd consider myself to be, on some sort of spiritual/psychological level, (species) — or I'd feel that I'd be far better off (species) than human.
A fursona is far more often an artistic abstraction of one's identity than it is the core. It's like me, but not me.
That's furry, not otherkin. If I were otherkin, I'd consider myself to be, on some sort of spiritual/psychological level, (species) — or I'd feel that I'd be far better off (species) than human.
A fursona is far more often an artistic abstraction of one's identity than it is the core. It's like me, but not me.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,162
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,164
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,165
@492,162 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
But seriously, it's really fucking scummy to use mental disability or illness as an insult, even in as normalised a manner as that.
But seriously, it's really fucking scummy to use mental disability or illness as an insult, even in as normalised a manner as that.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 17 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,167
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,169
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,170
@492,167 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Getting mad about Tumblr now, I see! How subversive of you! You aren't following the MRA/PUA/anti-feminist ideological line at all or anything! Wow! Activist of the century! Much radical, so change, wow.
Getting mad about Tumblr now, I see! How subversive of you! You aren't following the MRA/PUA/anti-feminist ideological line at all or anything! Wow! Activist of the century! Much radical, so change, wow.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 47 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,171
@492,159 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
Is that all that defines something's importance, if it affects you in real life?
This issue can be considered interesting in that it's related to the increasing movement for trans rights, and how this might affect other groups (women specifically, in this case). It can be interesting to discuss exactly how this could work, and the interests of each group.
Is that all that defines something's importance, if it affects you in real life?
This issue can be considered interesting in that it's related to the increasing movement for trans rights, and how this might affect other groups (women specifically, in this case). It can be interesting to discuss exactly how this could work, and the interests of each group.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 32 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,173
@492,169 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
That's an antiquated, useless term primarily used by ableist bigots to discredit ideological opponents, though. :/
That's an antiquated, useless term primarily used by ableist bigots to discredit ideological opponents, though. :/
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,177
@492,170 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
You can barely type coherently. btw,telling me to fuck back off to the 70's is a horrible insult to every accidental time traveler. So check your time/space privilege.
You can barely type coherently. btw,telling me to fuck back off to the 70's is a horrible insult to every accidental time traveler. So check your time/space privilege.
Dr. replied with this 12 years ago, 5 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,178
@492,171 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
So you confess to the use of transsexuals as a fifth column battering ram to be disposably utilized as a strong-arm on behalf of the matriarchy?
So you confess to the use of transsexuals as a fifth column battering ram to be disposably utilized as a strong-arm on behalf of the matriarchy?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,180
@492,173 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
You discredit the trans movement by even attempting to converse about it.
You discredit the trans movement by even attempting to converse about it.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 6 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,181
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,183
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,184
Newsflash transwomen: the majority of females aren't transphobic, they just dont want to be around your penis.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,191
@492,171 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> This issue can be considered interesting in that it's related to the increasing movement for trans rights, and how this might affect other groups (women specifically, in this case). It can be interesting to discuss exactly how this could work, and the interests of each group.
is this really the most interesting aspect of transsexualism to discuss though? surely it does have real life effects beyond whether or not there are men in womens bathrooms?
> This issue can be considered interesting in that it's related to the increasing movement for trans rights, and how this might affect other groups (women specifically, in this case). It can be interesting to discuss exactly how this could work, and the interests of each group.
is this really the most interesting aspect of transsexualism to discuss though? surely it does have real life effects beyond whether or not there are men in womens bathrooms?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,193
@492,178 (Dr.)
You got me, I have been an agent of the matriarchy all along. kook is actually my commanding officer within the matriarchy's armed forces, and sent me to destabilise the trans militia here on Minichan from the inside.
But, since the cat is out of the bag now, I suppose that I can quit doing that, at last.
You got me, I have been an agent of the matriarchy all along. kook is actually my commanding officer within the matriarchy's armed forces, and sent me to destabilise the trans militia here on Minichan from the inside.
But, since the cat is out of the bag now, I suppose that I can quit doing that, at last.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,195
@492,191 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
or being held with females in prison, or sharing hospital and nursing home rooms with females, or juvenile delinquent homes, or locker rooms.
or being held with females in prison, or sharing hospital and nursing home rooms with females, or juvenile delinquent homes, or locker rooms.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,196
@492,191 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
It's interesting enough. I think that we got a fairly interesting conversation out of it. Where exactly do we draw the line on when a MTF transsexual person can use a women's toilet? How might this affect CIS women? How do people feel towards this issue, and why? And so on.
It's interesting enough. I think that we got a fairly interesting conversation out of it. Where exactly do we draw the line on when a MTF transsexual person can use a women's toilet? How might this affect CIS women? How do people feel towards this issue, and why? And so on.
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 18 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,200
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,202
Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,204
whoa everybody except Becky and Ks and even Buspuppie kys'ves
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,206
@492,202 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Nah, they'd tell the "lady" go see herself to the other restroom. Things get tricky when the trannies are passable.
Nah, they'd tell the "lady" go see herself to the other restroom. Things get tricky when the trannies are passable.
Anonymous V joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,207
what happened to this thread
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,215
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,217
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #492,241
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I began working out and eating properly. Ive lost 10lbs, down from 280. My health was in serious decline.
I began working out and eating properly. Ive lost 10lbs, down from 280. My health was in serious decline.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,248
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY replied with this 12 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,274
Anonymous W joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,275
Anonymous X joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,276
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,292
Metæ double-posted this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,301
Back on topic, though, I don't see this place as especially Nazi or TERF-ey. It's a matter of perspective I guess: from my point of view, MC's ideological center is somewhere between MSNBC and NPR. It's interesting that, from a Marxist point of view it looks like some kind of TERF Stormfront.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,306
@previous (Metæ)
For the non-Americans here, could you explain what MSNBC and NPR's political leanings are? And what does our supposedly being a middle-point entail?
For the non-Americans here, could you explain what MSNBC and NPR's political leanings are? And what does our supposedly being a middle-point entail?
Anonymous Z-1 joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,307
the "nazis" are just one guy who is going back and forth from mc to tc to build up attention
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,313
@492,306 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I think the Guardian would be a good equivalent. Statist (ie the answer to every problem is more government) with left leanings on wedge issues, but not actually in favor of any radical change.
By 'political center' I mean if you plotted everyone's politics on the Political Compass and drew a circle around where most dots. There are outliers obviously, like OP and myself and Shitarse and others but most would be slightly left-leaning strong statists.
I think the Guardian would be a good equivalent. Statist (ie the answer to every problem is more government) with left leanings on wedge issues, but not actually in favor of any radical change.
By 'political center' I mean if you plotted everyone's politics on the Political Compass and drew a circle around where most dots. There are outliers obviously, like OP and myself and Shitarse and others but most would be slightly left-leaning strong statists.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,314
@previous (Metæ)
Hmmm. Interesting.
Do we really answer most problems with more government? I guess I haven't really been looking at it in those terms, I guess. Could you possibly give some examples?
Oh, and we could actually do that, maybe. The Political Compass thing. Though I'm unsure how exactly we would combine our results into one graph. I've also heard that Political Compass isn't a perfect measure of political affiliation.
Hmmm. Interesting.
Do we really answer most problems with more government? I guess I haven't really been looking at it in those terms, I guess. Could you possibly give some examples?
Oh, and we could actually do that, maybe. The Political Compass thing. Though I'm unsure how exactly we would combine our results into one graph. I've also heard that Political Compass isn't a perfect measure of political affiliation.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,399
Ijust wanted to let you know that the fact that a male (you) thinks that its okay to
tell me (a female) that its improper to use a non gendered term like female to describe biowomen, is an example of you showing your male privilege.
tell me (a female) that its improper to use a non gendered term like female to describe biowomen, is an example of you showing your male privilege.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 55 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,403
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,408
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,414
@492,403 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
But I would like to point out that this thread is filled with males, explaining to females that they shouldnt be afraid of males as long as those males feel like females. Think about how that feels to bio women.
But I would like to point out that this thread is filled with males, explaining to females that they shouldnt be afraid of males as long as those males feel like females. Think about how that feels to bio women.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 45 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,419
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I didn't dismiss that, though. As I keep saying, I noted that this could potentially be exploited by perverts.
Though I did specificallty object to people being uncomfortable with trans people in and of themselves.
I didn't dismiss that, though. As I keep saying, I noted that this could potentially be exploited by perverts.
Though I did specificallty object to people being uncomfortable with trans people in and of themselves.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,422
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
It isnt discomfort with trans people, its discomfort with males. People act like this is purely a rad feminist issue. Talk to the females that you know irl and ask them if they would comfortable with intact males using womens facilities. Their answers might surprise you.
It isnt discomfort with trans people, its discomfort with males. People act like this is purely a rad feminist issue. Talk to the females that you know irl and ask them if they would comfortable with intact males using womens facilities. Their answers might surprise you.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,424
@492,419 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You said that a trans mans survival instinct would make them keep away from bio males, its actually the same for "cis" women.
You said that a trans mans survival instinct would make them keep away from bio males, its actually the same for "cis" women.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,434
@492,422 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
I'm not necessarily advocating that intact males be allowed in, though. As I said, I am unsure exactly where the line should be drawn on that one.
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
No, I was saying that male prisons being portrayed as more dangerous could influence that decision, not just because they contain lots of men.
I'm not necessarily advocating that intact males be allowed in, though. As I said, I am unsure exactly where the line should be drawn on that one.
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
No, I was saying that male prisons being portrayed as more dangerous could influence that decision, not just because they contain lots of men.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,435
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,441
@492,434 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Well trans women have decided where that line is, and they think that anyone who feels like a woman, Is one. Oh and that females who dont agree are transphobic.
Well trans women have decided where that line is, and they think that anyone who feels like a woman, Is one. Oh and that females who dont agree are transphobic.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,448
@492,435 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Right, and if people percieve it in that way then it could affect their choice.
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
As I've said, that's because it's that feeling that makes them transexual. Not the the operation to make them look like the opposite gender, but the inner knowledge that their brain doesn't match up with their biological gender. Yes, a person could pretend to feel like the opposite gender, or could be confused about it, but at the end of the day, that's what legitimate transsexualism is. It's not just some casual whim, but something innate.
And, well, it is a bit transphobic to say that the very thing that makes them transexuals doesn't matter or isn't real. Also, were they to take that mindset, they would level that accusation at anyone, not jsut females.
Right, and if people percieve it in that way then it could affect their choice.
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
As I've said, that's because it's that feeling that makes them transexual. Not the the operation to make them look like the opposite gender, but the inner knowledge that their brain doesn't match up with their biological gender. Yes, a person could pretend to feel like the opposite gender, or could be confused about it, but at the end of the day, that's what legitimate transsexualism is. It's not just some casual whim, but something innate.
And, well, it is a bit transphobic to say that the very thing that makes them transexuals doesn't matter or isn't real. Also, were they to take that mindset, they would level that accusation at anyone, not jsut females.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,450
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
They use that accusation against females because its mostly transwomen doing it, and many trans women resent females, and want to use their spaces.
Also males are why mens prisons are more dangerous and why females dont want males in restrooms.
They use that accusation against females because its mostly transwomen doing it, and many trans women resent females, and want to use their spaces.
Also males are why mens prisons are more dangerous and why females dont want males in restrooms.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,451
A related question: do we even need sex segregated facilities at all? Why or why not?
Anonymous X replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,468
back in me mum days school would have segregated classes for boys and girls
Anonymous W replied with this 12 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,469
@492,451 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
yes because men tend to piss all over the seats and floor and women find that unpleasant
where i work they were going to ask this trans lady to use the mens bathroom unless she showed them some kind of evidence that she'd had the surgery but they agreed with me when i pointed out that it would really humiliate her on a deep level to be forced to do that and suggested they ask her to use the (unisex) disabled bathroom instead which they did
took a whole lot of joking by the manager about how he kept forgetting to say "her" instead of "it" when referring to her. eventually he started doing "him" instead but hey
yes because men tend to piss all over the seats and floor and women find that unpleasant
where i work they were going to ask this trans lady to use the mens bathroom unless she showed them some kind of evidence that she'd had the surgery but they agreed with me when i pointed out that it would really humiliate her on a deep level to be forced to do that and suggested they ask her to use the (unisex) disabled bathroom instead which they did
took a whole lot of joking by the manager about how he kept forgetting to say "her" instead of "it" when referring to her. eventually he started doing "him" instead but hey
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,470
@previous (W)
Do you really think that piss is the only reason? Why dont they room men and women in hospitals,retirement homes, juvenile detention centers etc. All because of piss?
Do you really think that piss is the only reason? Why dont they room men and women in hospitals,retirement homes, juvenile detention centers etc. All because of piss?
Anonymous X replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,471
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,473
Anonymous Z-2 joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,474
@492,451 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
> A related question: do we even need sex segregated facilities at all? Why or why not?
no we dont. because it's retarded.
> A related question: do we even need sex segregated facilities at all? Why or why not?
no we dont. because it's retarded.
Anonymous W replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,475
@492,470 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
> Do you really think that piss is the only reason?
why you putting words in my mouth
> Do you really think that piss is the only reason?
why you putting words in my mouth
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,476
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,478
Anonymous C replied with this 12 years ago, 43 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,479
Anonymous Z-2 replied with this 12 years ago, 58 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,482
@492,476 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
human sexual dimorphism is no big deal really
in the far-off year of 2019 where i live people just don't care about this kind of thing
human sexual dimorphism is no big deal really
in the far-off year of 2019 where i live people just don't care about this kind of thing
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #492,483
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 58 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,489
@492,450 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
That's a bit of generalisation, saying that they all hate women. And no, they would say it to anyone, were they of that mindset.
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
So now you're saying that transsexuals are rapists? That's lovely, Buspuppie. Really accepting and rational of you.
That's a bit of generalisation, saying that they all hate women. And no, they would say it to anyone, were they of that mindset.
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
So now you're saying that transsexuals are rapists? That's lovely, Buspuppie. Really accepting and rational of you.
Justin Igger replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,498
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> That's a bit of generalisation, saying that they all hate women. And no, they would say it to anyone, were they of that mindset.
>
>
> So now you're saying that transsexuals are rapists? That's lovely, Buspuppie. Really accepting and rational of you.
Transsexuals make for one ugly broad. The hands, shoulders, cheeks and other manly features prevail.
> That's a bit of generalisation, saying that they all hate women. And no, they would say it to anyone, were they of that mindset.
>
>
> So now you're saying that transsexuals are rapists? That's lovely, Buspuppie. Really accepting and rational of you.
Transsexuals make for one ugly broad. The hands, shoulders, cheeks and other manly features prevail.
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,632
> >492,065 (beckyderp)
> >492,074
How obscenely pathetic for a fucking straight white middle-class cis woman to be crying about anyone else's privilege, let alone fucking trans women, one of the most oppressed groups in western civilization. Nobody cares that you feel "uncomfortable" in the bathroom, you fucking worm. It's on precisely the same level as a Nazi's discomfort with racial integration and justified with the same baseless bleeting about safety. Where's the fucking evidence that trans women put you at risk in the bathroom? There is none you dense misogynist TERF trash. No trans person has ever assaulted a cis person in the bathroom, but violent attacks on trans women by cis scumbags (that's you) are a routine occurence. Kill yourself.
No offense though.
> >492,074
How obscenely pathetic for a fucking straight white middle-class cis woman to be crying about anyone else's privilege, let alone fucking trans women, one of the most oppressed groups in western civilization. Nobody cares that you feel "uncomfortable" in the bathroom, you fucking worm. It's on precisely the same level as a Nazi's discomfort with racial integration and justified with the same baseless bleeting about safety. Where's the fucking evidence that trans women put you at risk in the bathroom? There is none you dense misogynist TERF trash. No trans person has ever assaulted a cis person in the bathroom, but violent attacks on trans women by cis scumbags (that's you) are a routine occurence. Kill yourself.
No offense though.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,635
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,637
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,639
@492,635 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Her reaction to an idea of transexuals being tolerated was a quip about rape. She was implying that there was a connection between transexuals and being a rapist.
Her reaction to an idea of transexuals being tolerated was a quip about rape. She was implying that there was a connection between transexuals and being a rapist.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,641
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
She was responding to a post about human sexual dimorphism no longer existing. Which presumably would mean male-on-female violence would also no longer exist. Yes?
She was responding to a post about human sexual dimorphism no longer existing. Which presumably would mean male-on-female violence would also no longer exist. Yes?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,642
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 50 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,643
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 25 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,644
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,645
> >492,644
Even if that's true, I'm sure the cis assholes fully deserved it.
Even if that's true, I'm sure the cis assholes fully deserved it.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 18 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,646
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,648
@492,641 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
> She was responding to a post about human sexual dimorphism no longer existing.
No, that person said it wasn't cared about. Not that it didn't exist.
@492,642 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
So... How does that relate to a post about people accepting those with sexual dimorphism? That person said nothing about gender, just the condition. But you still decided to bring up rape in response.
> She was responding to a post about human sexual dimorphism no longer existing.
No, that person said it wasn't cared about. Not that it didn't exist.
@492,642 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
So... How does that relate to a post about people accepting those with sexual dimorphism? That person said nothing about gender, just the condition. But you still decided to bring up rape in response.
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,649
THIS DISCUSSION NEEDS TO STOP NOW
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF TRANS PEOPLE ARE NOT UP FOR DEBATE
THE HUMAN RIGHTS OF TRANS PEOPLE ARE NOT UP FOR DEBATE
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,650
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,651
> >492,650
Women do not have to fear trans women outside of your misogynist fantasies, bub.
Women do not have to fear trans women outside of your misogynist fantasies, bub.
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,652
@492,650 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Serious question: how afraid is the average woman of men? Not, like, an obese fedora wearing neckbeard crammed into a Rainbow Dash T-shirt but just normal men in normal circumstances. Like if you're at Walmart and you walk past a man in the cereal aisle, do you have a feeling of fear?
Serious question: how afraid is the average woman of men? Not, like, an obese fedora wearing neckbeard crammed into a Rainbow Dash T-shirt but just normal men in normal circumstances. Like if you're at Walmart and you walk past a man in the cereal aisle, do you have a feeling of fear?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 19 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,653
@492,651 (The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+)
Trans women are males. This has nothing to do with misogyny.
Trans women are males. This has nothing to do with misogyny.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,655
@492,652 (Metæ)
Why ask me this when you wont believe me anyway? Remember that whole elevator conversation?
Why ask me this when you wont believe me anyway? Remember that whole elevator conversation?
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,658
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Because I really do want to know. The elevator thing was about something that happened to someone else. I want to hear your (and MC's other bio women) feelings on this. I promise I won't criticize or argue or post crime statistics tables or anything.
Because I really do want to know. The elevator thing was about something that happened to someone else. I want to hear your (and MC's other bio women) feelings on this. I promise I won't criticize or argue or post crime statistics tables or anything.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 0 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,659
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,661
It's funny that TERF websites' evidence of "violent trannies" consists entirely of Twitter screencaps. Cis babies consider off-color tweets such a pressing threat to their safety and "comfort" that they would force trans women to actually endanger themselves by using the wrong bathroom. This is what privilege looks like.
Meanwhile, the corpses of trans people are piling higher everyday, whether inflicted by cis murderers directly or suborned through a life of persecution by the likes of kook or beckyderp. Disgusting.
Meanwhile, the corpses of trans people are piling higher everyday, whether inflicted by cis murderers directly or suborned through a life of persecution by the likes of kook or beckyderp. Disgusting.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,662
@492,658 (Metæ)
First of all, mlp and fedoras arent scary. Where you got that from, I dont know. But passing a male while shopping isnt scary either, because its a public area with bright lights. Now if I'm approached by a male outside at night, in an elevator, in a parking garage, in a bathroom etc, I will immediately be on guard. Most females feel the same way'
First of all, mlp and fedoras arent scary. Where you got that from, I dont know. But passing a male while shopping isnt scary either, because its a public area with bright lights. Now if I'm approached by a male outside at night, in an elevator, in a parking garage, in a bathroom etc, I will immediately be on guard. Most females feel the same way'
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 12 years ago, 47 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,663
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,666
@492,658 (Metæ)
I mentioned the elevator conversation because both becky and me tried to explain how females feel in these situations, and you clearly didnt believe us.
I mentioned the elevator conversation because both becky and me tried to explain how females feel in these situations, and you clearly didnt believe us.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 20 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,667
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,668
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 59 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,669
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 51 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,670
@492,668 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
Its also sexist that men feel like they have the right to hurt women. Whats your point?
Its also sexist that men feel like they have the right to hurt women. Whats your point?
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ replied with this 12 years ago, 56 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,671
> >492,662
Thanks for the cisplanation. I never realized how tough it was to be a middle-class cis white woman.
Thanks for the cisplanation. I never realized how tough it was to be a middle-class cis white woman.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,674
@492,670 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
> Its also sexist that men feel like they have the right to hurt women.
yes, it is. luckily most men dont feel like they have the right to hurt women and if they do hurt women they will be punished.
> Whats your point?
that your a hypocrite and generalizing
> Its also sexist that men feel like they have the right to hurt women.
yes, it is. luckily most men dont feel like they have the right to hurt women and if they do hurt women they will be punished.
> Whats your point?
that your a hypocrite and generalizing
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,678
@previous (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
I dont care if you think that I'm a hypocrite.This would make the majority of females, hypocrites as well.
I dont care if you think that I'm a hypocrite.This would make the majority of females, hypocrites as well.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,681
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
i dont think that most women think men think they have the right to hurt women
i dont think that most women think men think they have the right to hurt women
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,683
> >492,678 (kook)
Shitty people like you and beckyderp are increasingly a minority. Take a look at the bathroom policies of any decent university. Evidently, the "females" there do not fear trans women. On the other hand, your ideology still has plenty of support in trailer parks and similarly thoughtful feminist establishments.
Shitty people like you and beckyderp are increasingly a minority. Take a look at the bathroom policies of any decent university. Evidently, the "females" there do not fear trans women. On the other hand, your ideology still has plenty of support in trailer parks and similarly thoughtful feminist establishments.
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 26 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,684
@492,681 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
Ha! Do you think that most women would be on guard at night outside, in parking garages, etc, if a male was around?
Ha! Do you think that most women would be on guard at night outside, in parking garages, etc, if a male was around?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,686
The Real Autphag !!3WVDgvU0+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,688
> >492,686 (kook)
Why do you ignore the substance of my posts? Does my intellect intimidate you?
Why do you ignore the substance of my posts? Does my intellect intimidate you?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,692
start citing and I'll respond.
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 34 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,701
@492,684 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I think they (and men too probably) would be regardless of if there was anyone around. I don't see how that relates to them believing men think they have the right to hurt women.
Also do you have anything to backup that men feel they have the right to hurt people?
I think they (and men too probably) would be regardless of if there was anyone around. I don't see how that relates to them believing men think they have the right to hurt women.
Also do you have anything to backup that men feel they have the right to hurt people?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,732
@492,650 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
No- you keep looping this around to your criticisms of men. This post did not mention gender. Just transexuals.
@492,668 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
Yeah... I don't really like it either. I'm not blind to the fact that a woman might be on her guard if approached by an unknown man in a dark place (most people probably would be, really), but at the same time, the degree that Buspuppie is going at, it's way too much of an "us against them" thing. A big generalisation of an entire being at risk from another gender. And generalising is never a progressive way to think of things, IMO. I'd much rather it be about equality than playing genders against each other.
No- you keep looping this around to your criticisms of men. This post did not mention gender. Just transexuals.
@492,668 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
Yeah... I don't really like it either. I'm not blind to the fact that a woman might be on her guard if approached by an unknown man in a dark place (most people probably would be, really), but at the same time, the degree that Buspuppie is going at, it's way too much of an "us against them" thing. A big generalisation of an entire being at risk from another gender. And generalising is never a progressive way to think of things, IMO. I'd much rather it be about equality than playing genders against each other.
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dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,747
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,764
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,765
@492,732 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
He talked about a future where both sexes shared restrooms. So in his future, females must not be afraid of males any more.
He talked about a future where both sexes shared restrooms. So in his future, females must not be afraid of males any more.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ triple-posted this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,766
@492,732 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
When one sex commits the majority of violent crimes, its already an us versus them situation.
You asked me how afraid females are of males, and when I answered your response was basically "oh men scare everyone that much". Which is.actually pretty funny.
When one sex commits the majority of violent crimes, its already an us versus them situation.
You asked me how afraid females are of males, and when I answered your response was basically "oh men scare everyone that much". Which is.actually pretty funny.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ quadruple-posted this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,768
@492,732 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
A question, why would you personally be afraid of a strange male approaching you at night?
A question, why would you personally be afraid of a strange male approaching you at night?
dw !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,775
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,779
@492,662 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
@492,663 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
That's not unreasonable. To be honest, I'd be worried too.
Do either of you take any defensive measures on a daily basis (ie mace, self defense classes, carry a weapon, etc)?
@492,663 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
That's not unreasonable. To be honest, I'd be worried too.
Do either of you take any defensive measures on a daily basis (ie mace, self defense classes, carry a weapon, etc)?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 39 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,786
@492,766 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
...Which is exactly the same logic that racists use. They take a load of crime statistics or whatever, say "oh it's mostly blacks!" and make it an us vs them thing, the idea that this "problematic" group is going to victimise "us decent people".
The fact of the matter is that the problem is criminals, bad people, the individuals who decide to do these things, be that petty crime or rape. It is illogical and unfair to stereotype an entire group to to the actions of some, and ultimately only serves to drive people apart over built-up divisions.
> and when I answered your response was basically "oh men scare everyone that much".
Uh, no. My response was being approached by an unkown man in a dark palce could scare anyone.
...Which is exactly the same logic that racists use. They take a load of crime statistics or whatever, say "oh it's mostly blacks!" and make it an us vs them thing, the idea that this "problematic" group is going to victimise "us decent people".
The fact of the matter is that the problem is criminals, bad people, the individuals who decide to do these things, be that petty crime or rape. It is illogical and unfair to stereotype an entire group to to the actions of some, and ultimately only serves to drive people apart over built-up divisions.
> and when I answered your response was basically "oh men scare everyone that much".
Uh, no. My response was being approached by an unkown man in a dark palce could scare anyone.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,787
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,788
@492,786 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Would you be afraid if you were approached by a strange woman? I wouldn't.
Would you be afraid if you were approached by a strange woman? I wouldn't.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,794
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
If that woman looked in some way threatening or sinister, then maybe. Similarly, I would be less likely to be intimidated by a weedy, mild looking man.
It's the individual that matters, or should matter. That individual's behaviour, demeanor ect. are what should be one's main cues for assessing their intentions and whether or not they could present a threat. Something like gender (or skin colour or sexuality) is unrelated.
If that woman looked in some way threatening or sinister, then maybe. Similarly, I would be less likely to be intimidated by a weedy, mild looking man.
It's the individual that matters, or should matter. That individual's behaviour, demeanor ect. are what should be one's main cues for assessing their intentions and whether or not they could present a threat. Something like gender (or skin colour or sexuality) is unrelated.
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swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,824
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You still said that a male would be more intimidating in most situations. That shouldnt be so, going by your logic.
You still said that a male would be more intimidating in most situations. That shouldnt be so, going by your logic.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 30 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,828
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)No, I did not say that... I said that anyone would be intimidated by a man they didn't know approaching them in a dark place, in response to you saying that a woman would be. i then expanded upon that point, saying that individual characteristics are what should matter, not gender.
@492,765 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Missed this one. Could you try not make three different replies to one post? It is hard to follow.
That's still rather transphobic, the idea that transexuals being accepted like that must be because they stopped raping. It's rather disconcerting that you seem to prominently associate rape with this group of people.
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,832
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I associate rape with males because they rape more frequently and commit the majority of violent crimes.
Also you said that anyone would be afraid of a strange male but might sometimes be afraid of a female.
I associate rape with males because they rape more frequently and commit the majority of violent crimes.
Also you said that anyone would be afraid of a strange male but might sometimes be afraid of a female.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 4 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,861
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
And racists would probably say a very similar thing about other races! Doesn't make it right to do.
And no, definitely not what I said. You said about women being afraid of man approaching in a dark place, I responded that anyone could be afraid in that situation. And I also said that somebody might be afraid of a person of either gender, depending on their individual characteristics.
Let me put to you a question: would you advocate women being distrustful of any and all men? And automatically assuming that any man has bad intentions towards them?
And racists would probably say a very similar thing about other races! Doesn't make it right to do.
And no, definitely not what I said. You said about women being afraid of man approaching in a dark place, I responded that anyone could be afraid in that situation. And I also said that somebody might be afraid of a person of either gender, depending on their individual characteristics.
Let me put to you a question: would you advocate women being distrustful of any and all men? And automatically assuming that any man has bad intentions towards them?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 32 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,864
Anonymous Z-4 joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,878
IMPLYING ANYONE ON MINICHAN IS SERIOUS LIKE EVER!
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,890
@492,864 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Okay, then you're saying that you'd judge based on a given man's individual traits, as opposed to his gender. That's good, that's the fairest and most rational way to go about it.
Okay, then you're saying that you'd judge based on a given man's individual traits, as opposed to his gender. That's good, that's the fairest and most rational way to go about it.
Anonymous X replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,902
Would you feel safe with this creature in the same bathroom as you?kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #492,903
@previous (X)
Well he looks like the type to put camera in toilets, but I do feel like I could take him in hand to hand combat. Verdict: I'd keep an eye on him until he was finished donging around.
Well he looks like the type to put camera in toilets, but I do feel like I could take him in hand to hand combat. Verdict: I'd keep an eye on him until he was finished donging around.