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Topic: How Big of a Problem is Harassment at Comic Conventions? Very Big.
Anonymous A started this discussion 12 years ago#35,685
Just for Syntax:
It’s hard for comic conventions to shake the idea that they’re the sole domain of people who look like the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy. In reality, comic conventions are attended by an ever-growing number of female fans: Female attendance at New York Comic-Con has grown 62 percent over the last three years alone, making women to 41 percent of total attendees. As the number of female fans attending cons has grown, so have conversations about harassment in the comics industry and at conventions specifically.
As 130,000 people head to San Diego Comic-Con (SDCC) this week, it’s important to recognize that while harassment can occur in comic shops and elsewhere, the bulk of complaints regarding gender harassment in comics happen at conventions. Yet SDCC has failed to put an emphasis on their harassment policy by not publicly posting signs about harassment or having a clear and well-publicized reporting process for incidents.
As a comics editor, writer, and fan myself, I got interested in how often people at conventions experience harassment. So earlier this year I conducted a survey on sexual harassment in comics, receiving 3,600 responses from people that varied from fans to professionals. The survey was distributed and conducted online, with people sharing it via Twitter, Facebook, and especially Tumblr and self-reporting all information. Of the people taking the survey, 55 percent of respondents were female, 39 percent were male, and six percent were non-binary (see the raw survey data here).
Out of all respondents, 59 percent said they felt sexual harassment was a problem in comics and 25 percent said they had been sexually harassed in the industry. The harassment varied: while in the workplace or at work events, respondents were more likely to suffer disparaging comments about their gender, sexual orientation, or race. At conventions, respondents were more likely to be photographed against their wishes. Thirteen percent reported having unwanted comments of a sexual nature made about them at conventions—and eight percent of people of all genders reported they had been groped, assaulted, or raped at a comic convention.
To put these percentages into perspective, if 13 percent of San Diego Comic-Con attendees have unwanted comments of a sexual nature made about them this week, that would be around 17,000 people. And if eight percent of SDCC attendees are groped, assaulted, or raped, that’s over 10,000 attendees suffering harassment.
It's not difficult to see why conventions can be rife with harassment. People in my survey report being harassed by fans, journalists, publishing employees, and comics creators, so there are issues at every level of the industry. Conventions involve cramming a lot of people into one space where ideally everyone gets to move around. This means there are a lot of brush-by maneuvers, awkward running into people, and a lot of general closeness. It can be difficult to tell in a crowd who is accidentally touching you and who is groping you. Even if you know for sure someone groped or assaulted you, it can be hard to figure out who they were when they can just disappear into a crowd. While many people never publicly named their harasser because they are worried about their career or the power of their harassers, 20 percent of survey respondents who experienced harassment said they did not name their harasser because they don't know the harasser's name.
There's also the cosplay factor—many comics fans, anime fans, video game fans, and the like who attend comic conventions like to dress up as their favorite character. Cosplay is an impressive art that takes a great deal of time and often money. Unfortunately for many fans, their cosplay results in creeps following them around, trying to take up-skirt or ass photos, and thinking they can generally harass them, especially if they wear a costume that seems sexy. Plus, unfortunately there is still a small contingent of geek men who want to make women feel unwelcome at conventions so they will harass, berate, and belittle them. And after the convention ends for the day, the party moves to the bar. BarCon, as many call it, is a time for people to relax and chat after a long day at the convention. But it's also another crowded venue now with intoxication added into the mix.
To combat harassment, an increasing number of conventions have rolled out anti-harassment rules that they make sure have a central role in the convention. In April, for example, Seattle’s Emerald City Comic Con put up impossible-to-miss posters about the convention’s “zero tolerance policy” toward harassment. Information about how “Cosplay is Not Consent!” was all over their venue, website, and event guide and the convention hosted a panel on preventing harassment (of which I was a participant).
Meanwhile, after a group called Geeks for CONsent began a petition calling on SDCC to create a formal anti-harassment policy, the con’s Marketing and Public Relations Director David Glanzer told a reporter that publicizing an anti-harassment policy might be bad for the image of conventions: "I think the news media, might look at this as, 'Why would you, if this wasn’t such a bad issue, why do you feel the need to single out this one issue and put signs up about it?' I think that’s a concern.” Glanzer certainly has a very different idea of what's "concerning" about harassment at conventions—and pretending it doesn't exist isn't going to protect anyone.
This past week, SDCC finally took a step in the right direction, sending an email to all ticket holders that included a note about how harassing someone could lead to being banned from the con:
“Harassing or offensive behavior will not be tolerated. Comic-Con reserves the right to revoke, without refund, the membership and badge of any attendee not in compliance with this policy.
Persons finding themselves in a situation where they feel their safety is at risk or who become aware of an attendee not in compliance with this policy should immediately locate a member of security, or a Comic-Con staff member, so that the matter can be handled in an expeditious manner. If your safety is at risk and you need immediate assistance you may also use a white house phone and dial 5911.”
This is the first time ever that SDCC has made a specific anti-harassment policy so prominent and offered a clear course of action for fans who are harassed.
There are lots of comics people of all genders who know perfectly well how to behave properly at conventions. Unfortunately, just like anywhere else, there are always jerks ready to pounce when there is an opportunity. Readers might feel concerned about attending a comic convention, and it's understandable. The good news is that as these issues have grown in prominence and conventions can curb bad behavior if they listen to their fans and take responsible steps.
The data supports that there is a problem—and now it’s time for comic conventions to make sure fans feel safe and know how to act.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 13 minutes later[^][v]#489,486
Thee thy or eye re re Chinese sewers and potato salads
Syntax joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 54 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#489,488
Exactly and have that email. I have read about this after last years event but have yet to meet any gals who had problems up close n personal. I have no doubt it happens and back in 2011 a girl caught a guy with a camera attachment - long cane like rod with camera strapped at end so he could look up her dress.
Me? I wood have torn him from limb to limb but the crowd that jumped his bones was to thick for anyone else to get to him to rip his guts out. Security came in and whisked him away. BUTTTT the only mention of this in paper next day was just a scuffle. There was blood in the floor and even a few who said it was all staged. Me I think from wot I viewed - it was real. But hushed up so as to not tarnish image of the event. That makes no sense because this show sells out literately in seconds Me out of here PROMPTLY AT 5PM for pre opening events starting at 6 for them invited.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#489,492
Yeah, it's a pretty sickening problem within nerd culture. But I think that it's improving a lot.
Syntax replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#489,494
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Everyone is there to have a blast. Many to find a way to make more bucks - Many to find a way to make lots of people more happy with their product and I can tell you first hand the companies sure listen.
It is a massive over the top crowd that extends to lots of hotel convention rooms n hotel suites set up as extensions - And people do hook up. Several surfer gals I know connected up there but with the out of town people those connect ups have led to tears. Geographical undesirable and I have been there and still am there but have made it work for years NOW. Same surfer girls are again going and I tell them to hang with locals but all I get is smiles. So even those tears have left them not shy to try again with out of town connections
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,506
this is what happens when you wear sexy costumes in the middle of a wild pack of drooling nerds
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 15 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,510
@previous (E)
Wait are you saying that males cannot control themselves?
Ash !bbKEtchUp. joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,511
> The survey was distributed and conducted online, with people sharing it via Twitter, Facebook, and especially Tumblr and self-reporting all information.
aka is worthless
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,542
@489,494 (Syntax) > says the creepy old man with saved photos of female cosplayers
Anonymous E replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,547
@489,510 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
i'm saying that people who go to comic convetions are worthless
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,553
Who gives a rats cock about a bunch of fat ugly embiciles acting like even bigger retards. The broads that go to those conventions are a bunch of unfuckable skanks like Killer Lettuce's mother.
Dear Mrs. Lettuce is pictured above donating her time at the Negro Herpes Clinic in Scottsdale.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 8 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,567
Metæ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,728
@OP > 10,000 rapes
Pretty shocking, considering South Africa – the rape capital of the world – only has 65,000 a year.
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Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,731
@previous (Metæ) > taking a sentence that clearly says harassment, includes a hypothetical, and reading it as if 10,000 rapes are alleged
dat reading comprehension
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,733
@previous (J)
The best I could do with such a poor sentence and dubious statistics. There could have been 1 rape, and 9,999 gropes or 9,999 rapes and one grope.
Metæ double-posted this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,735
It just seems like a weird way to lump things together. It would be like saying "if 20% of Super Bowl attendees are involved in shoving, fisticuffs, or murdered then that's 500,000 attendees suffering physical assault".
Like, shoving people is bad, but it's a lot less bad than murdering someone which is why it makes no sense to lump shovings and murders into the same number.
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cccuuunnttt !CUuNTTZV9M joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,742
@previous (Metæ)
It's the attempt to draw bright-line distinctions between various forms of assault that's problematic - like Whoopi Goldberg's or Todd Akin's idea of what qualifies.
I can see the importance of distinguishing these for purposes of crime statistics. But when we're talking about a cultural problem, like this article is - what's really your complaint?
That women don't want to be groped?
They don't want to be assaulted?
They don't want to be raped?
What's the point in distinguishing these, for the purposes of this article? Have you decided that groping is not a problem? Assault isn't? Just rape?
It's a continuum, and attitudes like yours do not help.
Anonymous J replied with this 12 years ago, 25 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,744
swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/ replied with this 12 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,746
@489,742 (cccuuunnttt !CUuNTTZV9M)
Correct. But meta is kind of an mra anyway.
cccuuunnttt !CUuNTTZV9M replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,748
@previous (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
Hi, kook. How are you?
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,750
@489,742 (cccuuunnttt !CUuNTTZV9M)
I was thinking about risk. Like, if there was a 10% of getting shoved, 1% risk of getting beaten up, and .001% chance of getting murdered I could live with that risk, if I really wanted to attend that event. But if it was 10% chance of getting murdered, and 1% chance of getting punched, of course that would be too dangerous.
Obviously any kind of assault or violence is bad, but throwing it all together into one number gives no idea of the relative risk of each category,
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Metæ double-posted this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,751
@489,746 (swamplights !!0lQNsDoq/)
How so? I don't even own a fedoræ.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 12 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,752
cccuuunnttt !CUuNTTZV9M replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,753
@489,750 (Metæ)
The context here is the problem of harassment, generally. No one is screaming "rape." The article is discussing the problem of harassment. I am genuinely confused by your criticism.
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,754
@489,742 (cccuuunnttt !CUuNTTZV9M) > It's the attempt to draw bright-line distinctions between various forms of assault that's problematic - like Whoopi Goldberg's or Todd Akin's idea of what qualifies.
But that's what the law does. Punching someone and premeditated murder are sentenced very differently, even though they both fall under the umbrella of physical violence > I can see the importance of distinguishing these for purposes of crime statistics.
Yes, and that's what I was talking about: poorly formulated statistics. > But when we're talking about a cultural problem, like this article is - what's really your complaint? > > That women don't want to be groped? > They don't want to be assaulted? > They don't want to be raped?
Thank you for putting words in my mouth and trying to make me sound horrible. > What's the point in distinguishing these, for the purposes of this article? Have you decided that groping is not a problem? Assault isn't? Just rape?
I said it before and I'll say it again: all sexual assault is a problem. Just like all physical violence is a problem. > It's a continuum, and attitudes like yours do not help.
My opinions rarely do,
kook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 53 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,759
Anonymous J replied with this 12 years ago, 56 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,772
@489,754 (Metæ) > pointlessly derailing with statistics complaints > worrying about the law when this is about victims > seeing the world in such black and white that things like this need to be debated for bullshit clarity > sitting on the internet typing into a textfield
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,773