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> black people committing the majority of violent crimes is a reality, not cherry picking.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^][v]#488,961
@previous (Metæ)
So if its a reality, whats the matter with discussing it?
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#488,962
@488,958 (kook !!32zdfdzi+) @previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I'm not enraged at all. I'm just saying if you're afraid of pit bulls, men, and transwomen due to crime statistics (and to your credit, you are correct about the statistics and your fears are logically defensible), then you should also be afraid or suspicious of people based on racial differences in crime statistics as well. Are you?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,963
@previous (Metæ)
I'm not afraid of black women. I'm cautious though with strange males of any color or gender.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 17 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,965
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,978
@488,971 (Metæ)
Wait, whites score higher on a lot of this, looking at this site. hey am I reading this chart wrong?
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Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,979
@488,974 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
The statistics aren't that detailed (or maybe the FBI still abides by the one drop rule?) but you should at least be more scared of black men than white men. As for mixed race, I'd calculate the weighted average of their race. So Elliot Rodger, for example would be half the Asian risk of assault/rape/whatever plus half the white risk, since he was 50/50. So you should be less scared of him than a white man, but more scared of him than an Asian man.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,980
@previous (Metæ)
Wait, isnt this saying that whites commit more aggravated assault and rape? Can someone else look at this and tell me if I'm reading it wrong?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,981
What in the fuck am I not understanding about these charts?!
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,982
@488,978 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Well, for rape (which I'm guessing is what you're most worried about) whites are 65% and blacks are 32.9%. Whites are 72.4% of the population and black people are 13.6 according to the census, so black people would seem to have a much higher rape rate.
The number of white rapists is twice as large as the number of black rapists, but there are five times as many white men as black men.
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Metæ double-posted this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,983
@488,981 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I think you're not factoring in the relative percentages of population. The total number of white rapists is higher, but the percentage of whites who are rapists is lower.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,984
@488,982 (Metæ)
But wait, arent I much more likely to be attacked by someone of my own race?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,985
@488,983 (Metæ)
Oh I see. So I'm more likely to be raped by white people because I'm surrounded by white people. So how likely am I to be raped by a male versus being raped by a female, and what are the census numbers for each?
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#488,986
@488,984 (kook !!32zdfdzi+) > But wait, arent I much more likely to be attacked by someone of my own race?
No, that would be a racist assumption.
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+) > Oh I see. So I'm more likely to be raped by white people because I'm surrounded by white people.
Yes, but at a lower rate than if you were surrounded by black people. > So how likely am I to be raped by a male versus being raped by a female, and what are the census numbers for each?
For this discussion, I'm assuming the female rape rate is zero. Also you're derailing because you don't want to be seen as racist, even though that's what judging the risk of people by statistics leads to.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,987
Comparison of UCR and NCVS data[edit]
According to the NCVS for 1992-2000, 43% of violent criminal acts, and 53% of serious violent crime (not verbal threats, or cuts and bruises) were reported to the police. Overall, black (49%) and American Indian (48%) victims reported most often, higher than whites (42%) and Asians (40%). Serious violent crime and aggravated assault against blacks (58% and 61%) and Indians (55% and 59%) was reported more often than against whites (51% and 54%) or Asians (50% and 51%). American Indians were unusually unlikely to report a robbery (45%), as with Asians and a simple assault (31%).[14]
Despite the differences in the amount of crime reported, comparisons of the UCR and NCVS data sets show there to be a high degree of correspondence between the two systems.[15] This correspondence extends to the racial demography of both perpetrators and victims of violent crime reported in both systems.[16]
Homicide[edit]
According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, with whites 45.3% and Native Americans and Asians 2.2%. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites, and the victim rate 6 times higher. Most murders were intraracial, with 84% of white homicide victims murdered by whites, and 93% of black victims murdered by blacks.[32][3
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,988
My point, I guess, is that using statistics and saying "x% of y race will commit _ crime" is stupid and leads to prejudice. People don't come off an assembly line, you have to judge each individually. Using math to judge people leads to stuff like that bullshit "here's a bowl of M&Ms 10% are poisoned" thing.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,989
@previous (Metæ)
Well then, how do you feel about the person mentioned in this topic as an individual?
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squeegee joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,990
if you go around kicking people in the head until they are blind then you don't deserve the rights of free people to live happily and according to your own beliefs.
your beliefs are fucked.
so you get to go to man prison now.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 18 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,991
Looked for a photo of Jane Doe. 16 years old so it probably does not exist (currently)
@488,966 (E) > "Jane Doe" is going to enjoy some prison style sausage barbecue now. Exactly
Kook is this not a good tyme to use old fashioned electroshock therapy and a small frontal lobotomy, might be in order.
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 19 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,992
@488,989 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
The "Jane Doe" is obviously a violent and mentally ill individual. I would not, personally, wish to live with her. So Jane Doe is bad and violent, does that mean all transgender people are?
The website in general and the article in particular are full of hateful transphobic invective. The late Reverend Falwell could have written most of it.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,994
@previous (Metæ)
lol No, I'm asking if this individual should be kept with females and/or adopted/fostered out?
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,995
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I would hope she rehabilitates to the point where she can be fostered out. The article doesn't go into much depth about her circumstances just a bunch of "ZOMG THIS MAN IN A DRESS HIT TWO WOMYN HES NOT A REAL WIMYYN HES JUST TRYING TO INVADE WOMYN SPACES TO ASSAULT WOMYN!!!!!!!" over and over again until it all sort of flows together into a Two Minutes Hate against trannies. But seriously, it's news that a juvenile psychiatric inmate assaulted members of staff and fellow inmates?
I'm no psychiatrist, but I guess a padded room and a straightjacket until she calms down. If Jane Doe is serious about this, receiving hormones and chemical/surgical castration, and not committing any kind of sexual misconduct I don't see why she can't be housed with the women. If she does any kind of sexual assault or perving or even thinking about sexual assault against the women, though, she should be moved to the male facilities. This is just my opinion though, and this sort of thinking is probably why no one's asked me to run a juvenile psychiatric center.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,996
@previous (Metæ)
now thats interesting. you're pro castration for sexual offenders?
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Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,998
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Huh? I just meant that testosterone blockers and removal of the testes are milestones in the MtF transition process. As for sexual offenders, I don't know what efficacy it has. I'll look it up tomorrow, though, and give you a definitive answer.
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LOLSORANDUM !C0XDXDXDvs joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#488,999
Bunch of freaks.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 46 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,001
What about the safety of the offender?
Why not just move her to solitary?
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 44 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,003
@488,987 (kook !!32zdfdzi+) > Also, I'm pretty sure that blacks are more likely to rape/assault other blacks, and whites do the same.
Well okay, but blacks generally associate with more blacks, and whites generally associate with more whites. (I guess we didn't form quite The Perfect Union that we thought was so cool) So this isn't like guessing probability at poker; the people that any one person is likely to know isn't some randomly distributed variable. I'm going to spitball here and say that rape (when reported, which is a whole other issue) is generally a crime that is committed against someone that the rapist knows. (I think the stats back me up here, but I haven't bothered to look up the most recent ones -because reading rape statistics isn't my idea of fun. :/) So we're hitting the same problem. Blacks know and make friends with more black people. Whites know more white people. Rape happens when convenient. :/.
If we're looking at blacks raping more blacks and whites raping more whites it is funny. I didn't bother the take the data from Meta's post. (or the FBI crime stats because they didn't quite work. The number of people who don't report crimes in low-income urban areas for fear of the police is hilarious.)
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Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,004
@previous (K) > I'm going to spitball here and say that rape (when reported, which is a whole other issue) is generally a crime that is committed against someone that the rapist knows.
So do you think the "stranger danger" is overrated?
Anonymous K replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,005
@previous (Metæ)
Sup Meta!
I don't actually. I think people are far more likely to be hostile to others they see as... well other...
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,010
Kook always gets feisty and looks to pick a fight at least once a month on her cycle. It's grate
Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#489,011
Anonymous J replied with this 12 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#489,153
@489,058 (Metæ)
I believe the actual terminology is genetic girl.
Anonymous K replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#489,163
@489,042 (kook !!32zdfdzi+) > So am I more likely to be raped by a female because I have more female friends?
Erm... yes, but no. You're probably still more likely to raped by a man.
So, if a female friend was likely to rape you (judging by some probability), then having more female friends would increase that probability. That's just simple logic. Are you more likely to be raped by a female because you have more female friends? Well that depends on how often men rape and women rape adjusted for your ratio of male/female friends... So... To answer your question: yes. Having more female friends will increase the probability of being raped by one of them, but on the whole you should probably look out for the guys who rape more often.
Statistics is a game of big numbers. You really shouldn't try to calculate your evening against it. You shouldn't imagine your chances of getting home safely while driving drunk or running from the police or anything else in terms of aggregate numbers. They're rough estimates, and your individual circumstance always plays into it. Anyway bp, just be alert, keep your head about you, and keep a look-out for creeps.
EDIT: Having re-read this, there is a bit of a blurry line. Do you mean "more likely to be raped by a female in general" or "more likely to raped by a female rather than a male" Because that's sort of the distinction I'm trying to point out. Yes, by having more female friends, you might be at a higher risk of being raped by one of them, but unless you have 1000 female friends to every male friend, then you are probably more likely "in general" of being raped by one of your male friends.
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Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#489,176
ITT: rape is logical
kook !!32zdfdzi+ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 14 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#489,367