Topic: How many women disapprove of third wave feminism?
Anonymous A started this discussion 12 years ago #35,030
Or what it has turned feminism into.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 17 minutes later[^] [v] #482,236
There's no standard definition of third wave feminism except its time frame. What do you think it has "turned feminism into"?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #482,237
not enough data
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #482,238
@OP
> third wave feminism
I have no clue what this catchphrase-of-the-day means - please define it in precise language.
> third wave feminism
I have no clue what this catchphrase-of-the-day means - please define it in precise language.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 14 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #482,239
@482,236 (beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao)
Basically the overall complaints it receives.
@previous (D)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_wave_feminism
Basically the overall complaints it receives.
@previous (D)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_wave_feminism
Anonymous D replied with this 12 years ago, 31 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #482,241
@previous (A)
word-salad. Your're fucking worse than Syntax. Tell me in your own words. Post your're own thoughts here.
word-salad. Your're fucking worse than Syntax. Tell me in your own words. Post your're own thoughts here.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #482,246
> third wave feminism
sup catherine
sup catherine
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 48 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #482,252
@482,239 (A)
Well... If the complaints are that it "lacks a goal", then I think that's something of a given. Compared to before, things have gotten much better for women, so there's less crap to deal with. If course there are still improvements that can be made, but there's fewer major problems to work against.
Well... If the complaints are that it "lacks a goal", then I think that's something of a given. Compared to before, things have gotten much better for women, so there's less crap to deal with. If course there are still improvements that can be made, but there's fewer major problems to work against.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #482,254
needs more cock
The Captain !PundosRBSM joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 14 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #482,257
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,457
i dont enjoy our current feminist culture of gender worship.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,458
Who is op?
Syntax joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,459
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,460
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,461
@previous (K)
Well, instead of trying to destroy human created gender roles, we embrace them as either 'empowerment' or 'trans theory'.
Well, instead of trying to destroy human created gender roles, we embrace them as either 'empowerment' or 'trans theory'.
Anonymous D replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,462
Elim joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 27 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,463
@482,461 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I've though about it a lot and i think a phase of attention-getting conversation surrounding gender might be a necessary step towards the end of rigidly constructed gender identities
Either that or the current mode will end up with some kind of non binary officially sanctioned genders that's the worst outcome
Emphasizing gender to that extent is dangerous and is what created the binary and the more we expound on these ideas the further we go in that direction
I've though about it a lot and i think a phase of attention-getting conversation surrounding gender might be a necessary step towards the end of rigidly constructed gender identities
Either that or the current mode will end up with some kind of non binary officially sanctioned genders that's the worst outcome
Emphasizing gender to that extent is dangerous and is what created the binary and the more we expound on these ideas the further we go in that direction
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Elim double-posted this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,464
@482,461 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
But yeah we need to study these things and to feel empowered after being marginalized as much as we need to destroy before we create
Keyword for feminism 2k14 is intersectionality
But yeah we need to study these things and to feel empowered after being marginalized as much as we need to destroy before we create
Keyword for feminism 2k14 is intersectionality
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,466
@OP
How mad are you right now? How many threads have you made obsessing over your annoyances with feminist strawpersons?
How mad are you right now? How many threads have you made obsessing over your annoyances with feminist strawpersons?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,467
@482,463 (Elim)
I feel like we are currently emphaszing the importance of gender over sex, to our detriment. The current thinking is: If I'm a male, who doesnt like my body, that makes me a woman. If I'm a male who likes to wear dresses, and makeup, than I'm a woman. The healthy way to look at it would be: I'm a male who doesnt like my body, but i'm still a man, and I can do things to improve my body image. or, i'm a male who likes to wear dresses, but its okay for a man to wear dresses.
I feel like we are currently emphaszing the importance of gender over sex, to our detriment. The current thinking is: If I'm a male, who doesnt like my body, that makes me a woman. If I'm a male who likes to wear dresses, and makeup, than I'm a woman. The healthy way to look at it would be: I'm a male who doesnt like my body, but i'm still a man, and I can do things to improve my body image. or, i'm a male who likes to wear dresses, but its okay for a man to wear dresses.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,468
op, identify yourself please.
Syntax replied with this 12 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,471
@482,462 (D)
I am unable to tell if that gal has permanent waves. She most certainty is in the 4Front of Feminism.
I am unable to tell if that gal has permanent waves. She most certainty is in the 4Front of Feminism.
Elim replied with this 12 years ago, 50 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,472
@482,467 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I wrote a really long reply and my browser crashed i am pissed I'll get back to you on why you're wrong and that's not the most optimal/healthy situation
I wrote a really long reply and my browser crashed i am pissed I'll get back to you on why you're wrong and that's not the most optimal/healthy situation
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,473
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,476
Elim replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,500
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Well my problem was basically the idea of 'manhood' like past biology it doesn't mean anything and forcing everybody to conform to male/female identities marginalizes biologically atypical people and people with alternate chromosome configurations and ofc trans people whether they are gender neutral or identify as another gender
You know
And in a perfectly healthy scenario we wouldn't have gender specific clothing/gender our clothing so cross dressing is not relevant
Just feelings
Biology doesn't follow rules/we shouldn't make up rules surrounding gender and sex
This is such a half assed summary RIP old reply
Well my problem was basically the idea of 'manhood' like past biology it doesn't mean anything and forcing everybody to conform to male/female identities marginalizes biologically atypical people and people with alternate chromosome configurations and ofc trans people whether they are gender neutral or identify as another gender
You know
And in a perfectly healthy scenario we wouldn't have gender specific clothing/gender our clothing so cross dressing is not relevant
Just feelings
Biology doesn't follow rules/we shouldn't make up rules surrounding gender and sex
This is such a half assed summary RIP old reply
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,503
@OP is butthurt
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 2 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,504
@482,500 (Elim)
I agree. But being a male while wearing dresses and make up and saying that it makes you a woman is not healthy. A mentally healthy person wears what they like and acknowledges biological reality. But being a male and wearing "feminine" attire and calling yourself a woman is conforming to outdated gender norms.
I agree. But being a male while wearing dresses and make up and saying that it makes you a woman is not healthy. A mentally healthy person wears what they like and acknowledges biological reality. But being a male and wearing "feminine" attire and calling yourself a woman is conforming to outdated gender norms.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,509
Elim replied with this 12 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,513
@482,504 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Yeah, but cross dressing culture conforms to outdated caricatures of femininity a lot of the time. I know the kind of person you're talking about, but that's not the majority of trans people. Everybody can potentially be afflicted by mental illness, sometimes mental illness manifests itself in weird fragmented personalities like you see with green/Bella, and sometimes trans people just happen to have mental illness or transwomen sometimes a skewed and crude vision of femininity. That's something i could do without. The thing is that everybody is different and having norms that make them more different doesn't help. Mental illness is a totally different discussion and some people are simply trans that's all
Yeah, but cross dressing culture conforms to outdated caricatures of femininity a lot of the time. I know the kind of person you're talking about, but that's not the majority of trans people. Everybody can potentially be afflicted by mental illness, sometimes mental illness manifests itself in weird fragmented personalities like you see with green/Bella, and sometimes trans people just happen to have mental illness or transwomen sometimes a skewed and crude vision of femininity. That's something i could do without. The thing is that everybody is different and having norms that make them more different doesn't help. Mental illness is a totally different discussion and some people are simply trans that's all
Elim double-posted this 12 years ago, 35 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,514
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,516
Elim replied with this 12 years ago, 38 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,521
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
That's my point kind of
It's transitional
You can't go from having 2 strict genders to 0
That's my point kind of
It's transitional
You can't go from having 2 strict genders to 0
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,523
The Captain !PundosRBSM replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,524
@482,476 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)> What makes someone a man?
To be a man you must have honor; honor and a penis.
Elim replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,526
@482,523 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Idk, doesn't it seem like a necessary step to spread awareness about an issue before solving it? Not that trans/dysphoria is an issue to be solved but the way we treat it/gender
People are just now becoming accepting and aware of alternate and neutral genders and one outcome of the current climate could be the abolition or gender identity completely but that's the future
And that's why i think it's Okay and good to embrace these identities now at this point in time
Idk, doesn't it seem like a necessary step to spread awareness about an issue before solving it? Not that trans/dysphoria is an issue to be solved but the way we treat it/gender
People are just now becoming accepting and aware of alternate and neutral genders and one outcome of the current climate could be the abolition or gender identity completely but that's the future
And that's why i think it's Okay and good to embrace these identities now at this point in time
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 second later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,527
Elim replied with this 12 years ago, 28 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,528
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,534
@482,526 (Elim)
I dont think its okay when it allows people of the opposite sex to encroach upon areas such as restrooms, lockrrooms, and hospital rooms.
I dont think its okay when it allows people of the opposite sex to encroach upon areas such as restrooms, lockrrooms, and hospital rooms.
Garak replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,536
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
How is it encroaching? I think that's something to overcome too. I think some people overstep boundaries or comfortability surrounding anatomy no matter what/whether or not they have a different anatomy but if someone is like looking at you in a place like that then that's a separate issue from trans phobia
How is it encroaching? I think that's something to overcome too. I think some people overstep boundaries or comfortability surrounding anatomy no matter what/whether or not they have a different anatomy but if someone is like looking at you in a place like that then that's a separate issue from trans phobia
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,538
@previous (Garak)
For many femles (I'd say most) sharing facilities with intact males is traumatizing. It isnt transphobic to not want to change clothes in front of a male. Or share a hospital room with a male.
For many femles (I'd say most) sharing facilities with intact males is traumatizing. It isnt transphobic to not want to change clothes in front of a male. Or share a hospital room with a male.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 12 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,539
Lets bring Becky into this. Becky, would you want to use various facilities with intact males?
Elim replied with this 12 years ago, 29 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #482,542
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I understand that but personally I am/was averse to sharing facilities with anyone and would go to any length for a modicum of privacy. Or i used to be that way i don't think i care anymore if I'm in a comfortable environment
And that's what those environments should be comfortable for everyone
But i understand that and you're right, intact biological males should be aware of that and put in the effort a person with a moderate level of modesty would to not impose their anatomy on unsuspecting females or anyone who would be offended by seeing a penis but not necessarily by the persons being trans or even triggered. But It's not hard. You're right there. I'm just saying it's not a trans issue as much as it is a decency issue where guidelines haven't been established/are unclear and people without sense pull faux pas sometimes
If you are thinking along the lines of Some people wanting to prove a point I'm sure that happens and i think that is not the right way to go about proving that point because some spaces are sacred/safe/personal zones
Stalled bathrooms are not those places
Those places are where you get naked and need to be comfortable and not expect to see genitals let alone a penis
Any place you don't want to see a wiener is where you shouldn't. No matter whose wiener. That's my policy
I understand that but personally I am/was averse to sharing facilities with anyone and would go to any length for a modicum of privacy. Or i used to be that way i don't think i care anymore if I'm in a comfortable environment
And that's what those environments should be comfortable for everyone
But i understand that and you're right, intact biological males should be aware of that and put in the effort a person with a moderate level of modesty would to not impose their anatomy on unsuspecting females or anyone who would be offended by seeing a penis but not necessarily by the persons being trans or even triggered. But It's not hard. You're right there. I'm just saying it's not a trans issue as much as it is a decency issue where guidelines haven't been established/are unclear and people without sense pull faux pas sometimes
If you are thinking along the lines of Some people wanting to prove a point I'm sure that happens and i think that is not the right way to go about proving that point because some spaces are sacred/safe/personal zones
Stalled bathrooms are not those places
Those places are where you get naked and need to be comfortable and not expect to see genitals let alone a penis
Any place you don't want to see a wiener is where you shouldn't. No matter whose wiener. That's my policy
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 14 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,680
@482,524 (The Captain !PundosRBSM)
how does this explain white-knights and male feminists?
they MIGHT have a penis but honor is nowhere to be found
how does this explain white-knights and male feminists?
they MIGHT have a penis but honor is nowhere to be found
Anonymous N replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,681
Anonymous Q joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 41 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,683
@482,680 (P)
> how does this explain white-knights and male feminists?
>
> they MIGHT have a penis but honor is nowhere to be found
its funny how you say that male feminists are white knights
you're obviously mad
> how does this explain white-knights and male feminists?
>
> they MIGHT have a penis but honor is nowhere to be found
its funny how you say that male feminists are white knights
you're obviously mad
Anonymous P replied with this 12 years ago, 31 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,684
Anonymous P double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,685
@482,683 (Q)
white knights are often feminists but not always, it pretty much depends on the veiws of the female they are sperging over
white knights are often feminists but not always, it pretty much depends on the veiws of the female they are sperging over
Anonymous Q replied with this 12 years ago, 22 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,686
@482,684 (P)
> not really, but keep repeating it to yourself, maybe it will come true
keep raging against the machine, hopefully you'll accuse everyone who has a differing opinion of being the same person
> not really, but keep repeating it to yourself, maybe it will come true
keep raging against the machine, hopefully you'll accuse everyone who has a differing opinion of being the same person
Anonymous P replied with this 12 years ago, 39 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,687
elim replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,692
Uh oh looks like this discussion got nerd-zoned
Anonymous Q replied with this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,693
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,802
Metæ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 1 day later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,990
@482,534 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I know this derailing, but what about actual intersex people? I know theyre like pointzerozerosomething of people but how would they fare in a world rigidly separated on xx/xy terms?
I know this derailing, but what about actual intersex people? I know theyre like pointzerozerosomething of people but how would they fare in a world rigidly separated on xx/xy terms?
The Captain !PundosRBSM replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,991
@482,680 (P)> how does this explain white-knights and male feminists?
>
> they MIGHT have a penis but honor is nowhere to be found
Clearly my sophisticated reference went over your head.
elim replied with this 12 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #482,992
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 1 day later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #483,202
@482,990 (Metæ)
Theyed probably have to combine their physical features plus gentalia. So if they look like a male, but have a micro phallus, they need to use the mens room.
Theyed probably have to combine their physical features plus gentalia. So if they look like a male, but have a micro phallus, they need to use the mens room.
Metæ replied with this 12 years ago, 56 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #483,210
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
But isn't the clitoris itself a sort of microphallus? I guess the line in the sand could be whether or not the urethra is routed through it.
But isn't the clitoris itself a sort of microphallus? I guess the line in the sand could be whether or not the urethra is routed through it.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 12 years ago, 22 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #483,345
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #483,352
@482,467 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
But what if in extreme cases where the person has gender identity disorder?
But what if in extreme cases where the person has gender identity disorder?
Anonymous E replied with this 12 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #483,354
@482,990 (Metæ)
by being freaks, much like it is now
@previous (A)
changes literally 0 things about their body
by being freaks, much like it is now
@previous (A)
changes literally 0 things about their body
dead dw !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #483,361
Exactly 430 678 344
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #483,367
@483,202 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
So women can claim they would be traumatized by being in the same restroom as a male (presumably because "oh no, I might see a penis") but it's fine for any and every male to use the same restrooms together even if it could be traumatizing?
Look, I don't know how often you frequent male restrooms, but a lot of perverted shit goes on in there. You want to make little boys to use the same bathroom as sex perverts!
Oh btw, why not gender neutral restrooms? Like, more than the single 'family restrooms' that are available in some locations.
So women can claim they would be traumatized by being in the same restroom as a male (presumably because "oh no, I might see a penis") but it's fine for any and every male to use the same restrooms together even if it could be traumatizing?
Look, I don't know how often you frequent male restrooms, but a lot of perverted shit goes on in there. You want to make little boys to use the same bathroom as sex perverts!
Oh btw, why not gender neutral restrooms? Like, more than the single 'family restrooms' that are available in some locations.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #483,368
@previous (T)
Most gender neutral restrooms are one room with a toilet, urinal, and sink.
Commonly found in restaurants like El Polo Loco.
Most gender neutral restrooms are one room with a toilet, urinal, and sink.
Commonly found in restaurants like El Polo Loco.
Anonymous L replied with this 12 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #483,371
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #483,373
@483,371 (L)
I would hate living in a dormitory, because you do not have access to a private bathroom.
I would hate living in a dormitory, because you do not have access to a private bathroom.
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