Topic: Ethical treatment for children and teenagers accused of sex crimes.
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #3,389
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 43 seconds later[^] [v] #61,235
> For engaging in oral sex with their peers, the boys were arrested and charged with rape, aggravated sodomy and aggravated child molestation. Four decided to accept a plea bargain, avoiding 10-year sentences, but forever being labeled sex offenders.
> He is looking at being put on the public registry when he turns 18, along with his picture...Because of the registry and the stigma which accompanies it, we have had suicides, attempted suicides and youths who are ready to give up.
> We have encountered young teenagers (13 to 15) who, as part of their treatment, have been compelled to recite daily creeds including phrases such as 'I am a pedophile and am not fit to live in human society'...these incidents cannot be dismissed as isolated examples of overly zealous practice but are directly derived from an uncritical application of prevailing treatment models.
> As part of his treatment, the 15 year old was forced to place a round, mercury-filled plastic device around his penis, and further forced to wear earphones and listen to pornographic tapes. Afterward the youth was encouraged to masturbate.
> “...her therapists persisted until one day she tried to kill herself, the mother said...critics point to the boy's case as an example of a child put into the program without cause, who was treated with inappropriate and potentially dangerous methods, and who may have become violent as a result...â€
> He is looking at being put on the public registry when he turns 18, along with his picture...Because of the registry and the stigma which accompanies it, we have had suicides, attempted suicides and youths who are ready to give up.
> We have encountered young teenagers (13 to 15) who, as part of their treatment, have been compelled to recite daily creeds including phrases such as 'I am a pedophile and am not fit to live in human society'...these incidents cannot be dismissed as isolated examples of overly zealous practice but are directly derived from an uncritical application of prevailing treatment models.
> As part of his treatment, the 15 year old was forced to place a round, mercury-filled plastic device around his penis, and further forced to wear earphones and listen to pornographic tapes. Afterward the youth was encouraged to masturbate.
> “...her therapists persisted until one day she tried to kill herself, the mother said...critics point to the boy's case as an example of a child put into the program without cause, who was treated with inappropriate and potentially dangerous methods, and who may have become violent as a result...â€
Triptych !!DP4/G/5A6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,237
...Jesus.
That's far too harsh.
That's far too harsh.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 48 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,240
Lovely.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,244
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,249
O_O
jump !VIfloDyEYo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,261
All humans are sexual. Sexuality is normal and enjoyable. Restricting anyone from engaging in natural healthy impulses because you do not believe they are ready or capable (completely subjective and frankly it's bullshit. Complete bullshit. We are just organisms made to orgasm -- it's the most basic reason for existence). I was like 6 or 7 when I first experimented. It was innocent and it was fine. One of the girls was a few years older. I don't think she was some sicko (she was still only 10 or 11 though).
Nice utopia you got going here antis.
I would never humiliate a child. I would never force a child to listen to pornography with a meter around their cock. I think these practices are horrible. I'm a pedophile. Who's the bad guy, now?
Kids should be able to talk freely about sex. It should never be taboo. You make it so much easier for molesters. If sex was not so taboo it wouldn't be so easy to keep kids silent for so long.
I'd advocate teaching children about sex around 6. Kids have penises and vaginas. The knowledge of their existence isn't going to make the world explode. I knew about sex when I was very young. I didn't know everything though (I thought you peed in a girl to get her pregnant).
Kids pick up on stuff. Kids are curious and kids are sexual animals. I was attracted to girls in kindergarten and in first grade I was horny for girls.
Maybe I'm off, I am a pedo and maybe that's the cause, but knowledge won't hurt.
If a 15 year old has sex with a 23 year old, they're a manipulated victim. If that same 15 year old gets a blow job from a 10 year old they're a monster. "Oh, but a 10 year old is even younger! They haven't existed long enough to want to do something pleasurable and they shouldn't because an adult will take advantage of them."
The logic. It hurts. Educate your kids. Sex shouldn't be taboo. It's the most natural thing humans do. Everyone is the result of it.
It's not dirty. We as a culture have created a stigma. Adults can't even have an orgy without interference (my friend went to a private sex party, and cops came and didn't exactly break it up but got inside and were shining flashlights at everyone so people left).
Don't interpret this as "I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUCK CHILDREN," as that isnt my point though I know one of you retards is gonna say that.
Sex is healthy. Sure, you can't get diseases if you aren't safe. A lot of the diseases going around today are the direct result of sex being treated as wrong. Kids believe condoms aren't effective. Abstience only education was probably the biggest contributor to the extemely high rate of STDs among minorities.
People need to stop being such perverts and accept that sex is healthy and natural.
Nice utopia you got going here antis.
I would never humiliate a child. I would never force a child to listen to pornography with a meter around their cock. I think these practices are horrible. I'm a pedophile. Who's the bad guy, now?
Kids should be able to talk freely about sex. It should never be taboo. You make it so much easier for molesters. If sex was not so taboo it wouldn't be so easy to keep kids silent for so long.
I'd advocate teaching children about sex around 6. Kids have penises and vaginas. The knowledge of their existence isn't going to make the world explode. I knew about sex when I was very young. I didn't know everything though (I thought you peed in a girl to get her pregnant).
Kids pick up on stuff. Kids are curious and kids are sexual animals. I was attracted to girls in kindergarten and in first grade I was horny for girls.
Maybe I'm off, I am a pedo and maybe that's the cause, but knowledge won't hurt.
If a 15 year old has sex with a 23 year old, they're a manipulated victim. If that same 15 year old gets a blow job from a 10 year old they're a monster. "Oh, but a 10 year old is even younger! They haven't existed long enough to want to do something pleasurable and they shouldn't because an adult will take advantage of them."
The logic. It hurts. Educate your kids. Sex shouldn't be taboo. It's the most natural thing humans do. Everyone is the result of it.
It's not dirty. We as a culture have created a stigma. Adults can't even have an orgy without interference (my friend went to a private sex party, and cops came and didn't exactly break it up but got inside and were shining flashlights at everyone so people left).
Don't interpret this as "I SHOULD BE ABLE TO FUCK CHILDREN," as that isnt my point though I know one of you retards is gonna say that.
Sex is healthy. Sure, you can't get diseases if you aren't safe. A lot of the diseases going around today are the direct result of sex being treated as wrong. Kids believe condoms aren't effective. Abstience only education was probably the biggest contributor to the extemely high rate of STDs among minorities.
People need to stop being such perverts and accept that sex is healthy and natural.
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,262
ninjj !Cat420tfMU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,263
@previous (Nega !34Kas0OdzM)
It's jump humour. Jump's posts are typically a mixture of dark humour and insightful, informed, unique perspective.
It's jump humour. Jump's posts are typically a mixture of dark humour and insightful, informed, unique perspective.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #61,265
@61,261 (jump !VIfloDyEYo)
My girlfriend is pregnant. You should call me in about 4-5 years. I'll let you do whatever you want for 20 bucks.
My girlfriend is pregnant. You should call me in about 4-5 years. I'll let you do whatever you want for 20 bucks.
jump !VIfloDyEYo replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #61,272
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #61,273
Leonidas !nBpim1wazU joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #61,275
> http://www.ethicaltreatment.org/
It has the domain ethicaltreatment.org
You see ethicaltreatment.org and think for human rights, ethical treatment for animals. No. It's some underage sex bullshit.
It has the domain ethicaltreatment.org
You see ethicaltreatment.org and think for human rights, ethical treatment for animals. No. It's some underage sex bullshit.
ninjj !Cat420tfMU replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #61,278
@previous (Leonidas !nBpim1wazU)
It's advocating the ethical treatment of convicted underage sexual "criminals". How is that not human rights?
It's advocating the ethical treatment of convicted underage sexual "criminals". How is that not human rights?
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #61,281
@61,275 (Leonidas !nBpim1wazU)
Holy shit asshat, no where on that website do they promote sex with children, or encourage children to have sex. They're simply against children being treated like sexual deviants, pedophiles, and criminals, simply for being attracted to people their own age or being homosexual. You really are fucking retarded.
Holy shit asshat, no where on that website do they promote sex with children, or encourage children to have sex. They're simply against children being treated like sexual deviants, pedophiles, and criminals, simply for being attracted to people their own age or being homosexual. You really are fucking retarded.
Leonidas !nBpim1wazU replied with this 15 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #61,294
Ninjj and Broseph, the site looks to me like some pedophiles run it. In nearly all of these sex cases where both are underage, the prosecution chooses not to prosecute. They list some rare cases where the justice system ruins someone's life and well they do that to young people all the time sex crimes or not. Remember where a judge drove a kid to suicide posted here? And see how "jump" goes on a pro-pedo rant.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #61,307
@previous (Leonidas !nBpim1wazU)
> Ninjj and Broseph, the site looks to me like some pedophiles run it.
Two same-aged children have sex. What happens after he is convicted:
10 year old has his pants taken off, he has a machine strapped to his penis. The tester reads off stories involving peodphilia. Later the tester makes him masturbate to these stories.
Who's the pedophile here? Not the one who was prosecuted, I'll tell you that.
> Ninjj and Broseph, the site looks to me like some pedophiles run it.
Two same-aged children have sex. What happens after he is convicted:
10 year old has his pants taken off, he has a machine strapped to his penis. The tester reads off stories involving peodphilia. Later the tester makes him masturbate to these stories.
Who's the pedophile here? Not the one who was prosecuted, I'll tell you that.
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Leonidas !nBpim1wazU replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,320
@previous (A)
> 10 year old has his pants taken off, he has a machine strapped to his penis. The tester reads off stories involving peodphilia. Later the tester makes him masturbate to these stories.
The tester is a child molester and should be sent to prison, duh.
> 10 year old has his pants taken off, he has a machine strapped to his penis. The tester reads off stories involving peodphilia. Later the tester makes him masturbate to these stories.
The tester is a child molester and should be sent to prison, duh.
Leonidas !nBpim1wazU double-posted this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,321
Nega !34Kas0OdzM replied with this 15 years ago, 48 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,334
@61,281 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Time to get used to it man. ^-^
We need to find a way to suspend retardation... the Kimmo shall teach us.
@61,294 (Leonidas !nBpim1wazU)
Mad.
@61,263 (ninjj !Cat420tfMU)
Yea, true enuff. ;)
Time to get used to it man. ^-^
We need to find a way to suspend retardation... the Kimmo shall teach us.
@61,294 (Leonidas !nBpim1wazU)
Mad.
@61,263 (ninjj !Cat420tfMU)
Yea, true enuff. ;)
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Homestar !RUNNERV7vk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 25 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,346
I support this website... but I go further and demand the ethical treatment of ALL sex offenders... I don't consider Americas treatment of sex offenders to be ethical at all.
jump !VIfloDyEYo replied with this 15 years ago, 37 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,350
@previous (Homestar !RUNNERV7vk)
Humans do not understand empathy, forgiveness, or that no act, no matter how vicious, makes someone less deserving of being treated as any other human.
Someone rapes someone and it's very difficult to not want blood. It's a vicious attack.
People who molest children take advantage of the most vulnerable people and so, again it's extremely difficult to treat the offender as you would someone else.
These people ruin lives. It's easy to say "why should they be allowed a second chance when the victim can never get one."
Then you have people who look at child porn. Special laws were made to discriminate against them. It is not illegal to view the commotion of any other crime, including rape of an adult. Pedophiles are discriminated against because of situational offenders and some bad pedophiles. It's disgusting how harsh a penalty someone can get for looking at something. Yes, of course it's perverse to get off ok abuse, but some people have gone to prison for lookIng at kids in bathing suits. At least now I think it has to be focusing on genitals and stuff.
Still, special laws for special groups sounds like discrimination to me. Sure, you don't like pedophiles, but it is what it is.
Humans do not understand empathy, forgiveness, or that no act, no matter how vicious, makes someone less deserving of being treated as any other human.
Someone rapes someone and it's very difficult to not want blood. It's a vicious attack.
People who molest children take advantage of the most vulnerable people and so, again it's extremely difficult to treat the offender as you would someone else.
These people ruin lives. It's easy to say "why should they be allowed a second chance when the victim can never get one."
Then you have people who look at child porn. Special laws were made to discriminate against them. It is not illegal to view the commotion of any other crime, including rape of an adult. Pedophiles are discriminated against because of situational offenders and some bad pedophiles. It's disgusting how harsh a penalty someone can get for looking at something. Yes, of course it's perverse to get off ok abuse, but some people have gone to prison for lookIng at kids in bathing suits. At least now I think it has to be focusing on genitals and stuff.
Still, special laws for special groups sounds like discrimination to me. Sure, you don't like pedophiles, but it is what it is.
Homestar !RUNNERV7vk replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,352
@previous (jump !VIfloDyEYo)
I agree.
But even for adults who have offended hands-on, I believe the way America treats these people is appalling. Laws should be practical and results oriented.
They shouldn't be the result of temporary emotion and anger.
I agree.
But even for adults who have offended hands-on, I believe the way America treats these people is appalling. Laws should be practical and results oriented.
They shouldn't be the result of temporary emotion and anger.
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Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,353
jump !VIfloDyEYo replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,354
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,357
Sexting = producing and distributing CP
Fuck. That.
Fuck. That.
pizza day joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,360
Why do we always have to talk about pedophiliaHomestar !RUNNERV7vk replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,366
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 30 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,372
Nega !34Kas0OdzM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 22 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,376
@61,360 (pizza day)
> Why do we always have to talk about pedophilia
Lots people in the closet + its an emotional topic + AnT History.
> Why do we always have to talk about pedophilia
Lots people in the closet + its an emotional topic + AnT History.
!!+BWon2MGy joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,378
Pedophilia's bad, mmmmmmm'kay?
jump !VIfloDyEYo replied with this 15 years ago, 17 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,382
@61,372 (K)
If you read my posts, you would have your answer.
Wait, are you talking about if I do it, cause then it's ok. I can do no wrong as I am Gord.
If you read my posts, you would have your answer.
Wait, are you talking about if I do it, cause then it's ok. I can do no wrong as I am Gord.
pizza day replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,390
jump !VIfloDyEYo replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,391
Homestar !RUNNERV7vk replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,394
@61,390 (pizza day)
You don't see a problem with kids having to register as sex offenders for experimenting with each other?
You don't see a problem with kids having to register as sex offenders for experimenting with each other?
pizza day replied with this 15 years ago, 41 seconds later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #61,395
@61,391 (jump !VIfloDyEYo)I thought we reached a point where death is mandatory on your 30th birthday
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jump !VIfloDyEYo double-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #62,364
Would it be ethical for an adult to have sex with an underage sexual offender if it was conseual?
If the answer is "no" they shouldn't be treated as sexual offenders as they couldn't ubderatand what they were really doing. I mean, who didn't steal a kiss from a girl in the playground?
If they aren't capable of understanding and consenting to sex, then obviously they aren't capable of understanding why what they did was truly wrong other than "you aren't supposed to do that."
If the answer is "no" they shouldn't be treated as sexual offenders as they couldn't ubderatand what they were really doing. I mean, who didn't steal a kiss from a girl in the playground?
If they aren't capable of understanding and consenting to sex, then obviously they aren't capable of understanding why what they did was truly wrong other than "you aren't supposed to do that."
pizza day replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #62,365
jump !VIfloDyEYo replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #62,366
@previous (pizza day)
I was too timid and was chased, but you remember in first grade? Girls and boys chasing each other? No?
Also, I think my point is more valid for 15 and under without question. I'm not saying that if they of something heinous there shouldn't be consequences (there was a boy I knew who raped his infant sister with a pencil when he couldn't get his dick in. He was really young though. Forget how old. She was so fucked up from it. I think she needed a colostomy bag.)
I think for people of such a young age they need to be treated as victims instead of criminals. It's difficult, especially if the crime is especially violent, but these are sick kids. They don't have the same faculties adults do.
Obviously, some may not be treatable. I don't know what to do with them. I don't think dangerous people should be allowed freedom, but I don't know if it's right. I don't think taking someone's freedoms because of potential risk is right, but there are people who will continue to offend.
Look at people with multiple drunk driving arrests.
I was too timid and was chased, but you remember in first grade? Girls and boys chasing each other? No?
Also, I think my point is more valid for 15 and under without question. I'm not saying that if they of something heinous there shouldn't be consequences (there was a boy I knew who raped his infant sister with a pencil when he couldn't get his dick in. He was really young though. Forget how old. She was so fucked up from it. I think she needed a colostomy bag.)
I think for people of such a young age they need to be treated as victims instead of criminals. It's difficult, especially if the crime is especially violent, but these are sick kids. They don't have the same faculties adults do.
Obviously, some may not be treatable. I don't know what to do with them. I don't think dangerous people should be allowed freedom, but I don't know if it's right. I don't think taking someone's freedoms because of potential risk is right, but there are people who will continue to offend.
Look at people with multiple drunk driving arrests.