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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later[^][v]#467,995
Because power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Such things have been known forever. But as we learned with religion, people actually love a good scam to steal shit.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^][v]#467,996
Compounding mismanagement, the usual corruption, leaders with questionable interpretations of ideology and trash ethics, and American antagonism.
It's not as if capitalism isn't a murderous fucking failure or anything. :v
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^][v]#467,999
No one here can make a reputable argument.
Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 18 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,001
@467,996 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
Heavily regulated capitalism fails for the same reasons as socialism. Government begins to fancy itself the savior of humanity, and aggressively sells itself as such.
No need to learn how to make shit and clean up your own messes. The government will take care of it.
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Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,002
@467,996 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
I'd argue its raised living standards a lot better than communism. Otherwise why else would people get shot trying to cross the Berlin Wall or risk their lives in homemade boats trying to get to Florida? @467,999 (D)
They never have. @467,995 (B)
Very true.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 24 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,003
@468,001 (B)
Ahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Equal opportunity is currently a fucking fantasy, and your suggestion that people primarily get fucked over by their own mistakes is an astronomical misanalysis.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB double-posted this 12 years ago, 51 seconds later, 25 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,005
@468,002 (Metæ)
Everything from Stalin onwards was a sad excuse for communism, really.
Anonymous D replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,006
@previous (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB) > communism > sad excuse
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,007
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,010
Not that I think Marxism would really work, but wasn't the Soviet Union its own brand of totalitarian government that was, if anything, far more similar to fascism than different?
Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,011
> Equal opportunity is currently a fucking fantasy
Yeah, precisely because of government regulation. I guess when you suffer from extreme cognitive dissonance, proving your opponents point becomes humorous.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 1 second later, 49 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,012
@468,010 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
Under Stalin, it definitely took that turn! (I'm immensely suspicious of any ~leftists~ who'd ally with fascists to kill liberals, as opposed to the other way around.)
Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^][v]#468,013
> You do realise that actual full communism involves a stateless society, right?
Only if you believe Marx to have been genuine. He took great care to develop strategies to usurp and undermine non-governmental systems of authority, while expecting an all-powerful government hierarchy to willingly dismantle itself. Give me a break. Power cedes nothing without a demand and Marx was well aware of that fact. He was a propagandist and a damn good one.
Marxism will never be anything more than an elaborate troll job to terrorize and bring ruin upon a gullible public.
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Anonymous D replied with this 12 years ago, 46 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#468,020
@468,007 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
Nice lib-drivel. Communism is shit.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 32 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,021
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,027
Because it doesn't work. Meanwhile Capitalism and Democracy has a much better track record, being heavily a associated with successful and enlightened nations. Not to say that they're prefect and can't be improved, but they're the best so far.
decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB replied with this 12 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,028
@468,013 (B)
Interesting theory. (As are FEMA camps and chemtrails.) @468,020 (D)
You're probably far more of a liberal than myself, quite frankly, and I'm fairly liberal for a far leftist. @468,022 (H)
You shouldn't be so dense as to be unable to see that wealth is inherited, and that wealth leads to better opportunities for one's children. Only a Randroid could possibly believe with any sincerity that all oppression is invited by the mistakes of the oppressed. @468,024 (Metæ)
Honestly, yeah, it went to shit after Stalin, save for, according to some, Cuba and Yugoslavia.
Anonymous D replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,030
Keep sucking down that lamestream 'news' bro. Are you liberals really so arrogant as to think a phenomenon reported by literally millions of eyewitnesses is entirely without merit? You really imagine they're all just crazy, huh? Fuck, that is a shitty way to view other humans.
As for FEMA camps, your obvious normalcy bias and worship of governmental authority makes that discussion pointless. I'm sure you'll believe once you wake up in one though.
Anonymous D replied with this 12 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,047
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,056
@468,028 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB)
Stalin was bad, but surely that one man wasn't responsible for every communist* state failing?
*I know none of them were really communist in the technical ''Communist Manifesto" sense of the word, but you know what I mean.
Metæ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,060
@468,039 (J) @468,040 (J)
Just stop whining and pack your bags for North Korea already. Thanks.
Anonymous J replied with this 12 years ago, 17 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,072
@previous (Metæ) > ad hominem to cover up butthurt
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 5 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,089
@previous (J)
I'm serious. You would like it there. Free housing, free healthcare, free food, and guaranteed employment. No one will steal the surplus value of your labor and the economy's not built on arbitraging developing nations.
Metæ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 6 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,090
@468,007 (decibelmilliwatts !!beW+FQoWB) > I don't think the Soviet Union or many of its contemporary left-leaning regimes were interested in achieving that. <_<
I think most wanted to. But sadly they just replaced the business elite with a political one. Even Lenin had a Rolls Royce.
Anonymous J replied with this 12 years ago, 8 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#468,166