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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 17 minutes later[^][v]#463,635
> Taxpayer-funded > funded by Visa, Coca-Cola and McDonalds
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 20 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^][v]#463,636
@previous (B)
They're not mutually exclusive, you know (see: PBS and NPR). If Visa, Coke, McDonalds, etc want to fund a game then that's fantastic but expecting taxpayers to incur massive costs for infrastructure and security is just corporate robbery.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 21 minutes later, 59 minutes after the original post[^][v]#463,637
of course its stupid, theres no stickball!
Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 35 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#463,643
@463,636 (Metæ)
Yeah, I see that they aren't mutually exclusive, but "taxpayer-funded" and "funded by Visa, Coca-Cola and McDonalds" makes it look you write for FOX News for a living and just jump at hot-button phrases. Plus, taxpayer funded $something funded by $someotherpeople is just stupid. It's sort of low-class writing. If you are saying one thing, then why are you saying another? If funding is coming from a number of sources, then just include them in a list.
Drawing the Olympics to some city usually has advantages. (increased press, tourism money, future tourism, etc.) It's not exactly a waste of taxpayer dollars if you are seeing a profit on the money coming in from people visiting, provided that money remains in the local economy for a while. So, meh. In your capitalist wet-dream, inconveniencing a few locals if it means that local business will make more money is a win.
Coke, Visa, and McDonald's are free to spend their money however they like, so I really can't complain.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#463,646
I only watched the 2012 opening and closing ceremony because I thought aliens were invading. When they didn't I gave up on the whole conspiracy and alien thing.
Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 15 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,648
@463,636 (Metæ) > Visa, Coke, McDonalds
Wait, how did you forget Nike?? How is it someone rages so hard about the government use of tax dollars, and then rages about unchecked corporate control of these events?? Didn't you vote with your dollar? I think you're just angry that no one gives a shit about your vote.
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,652
@463,643 (B)
I concede the sentence wasn't very well written. Fox News doesn't have free-market or small government principals except when it's partisanally convenient (TARP/TBTF was fine when Bush did it, Obamacare was fine when Romney did it). Yes, it was low class writing and I didn't proofread or even really put in much effort, as you kindly pointed out.
> > Visa, Coke, McDonalds > Wait, how did you forget Nike?? How is it someone rages so hard about the government use of tax dollars, and then rages about unchecked corporate control of these events?? Didn't you vote with your dollar? I think you're just angry that no one gives a shit about your vote.
I'm not mad about the corporate sponsors. And what's wrong with not trading with businesses you don't agree with?
All I'm saying is that these things should not be taxpayer funded.
I didnt have time in the 15 seconds I spent making this topic to compile an exhaustive list of sponsors. Again: I don't care if Nike, Visa, McDonalds, Coke, etc, etc, etc fund sports, or NPR for that matter. If they feel the advertising/PR/branding/whatever is worth it then more power to them.
Metæ (OP) double-posted this 12 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,653
I guess what I meant to say is that taxpayers are basically subsidizing the corporate sponsor's advertising by paying a considerable chunk of the costs.
Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 43 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,656
@previous (Metæ)
But if I were on the city council or whatever, would I not view this as a sound investment to bring tourism money in? What's wrong with using taxpayer money (provided ostensibly by local businesses who are paying the taxes) to bring in more business? You're pumping money from local businesses into making more money for local businesses. How is that bad? So what if some local people have to deal with traffic?
@463,652 (Metæ) > And what's wrong with not trading with businesses you don't agree with?
There's nothing wrong with not patronizing businesses who are doing things you object to. It's just that you aren't really voting - especially on a large scale. If you vote for one local representative over another, then you are saying that one person you are willing to elect to government has your vote over another based on a stated platform. When you choose to buy a Quarter Pounder or not, you aren't voting with the same level of representation. Most people who choose to buy Quarter Pounders are just hungry and aren't aware they are actually voting. Choosing to get pissy and not eat at McDonald's is fine if that's what you want to do to protest the Olympics, but it makes fuck all bit of difference compared to actually voting at a local level to elect people that might be okay with inviting the Olympics to your town.
And again, if you are the local government in charge of using tax-payer funds (read: local business money) to bring in a ROI, wouldn't you do that? Wouldn't you put money into infrastructure that stands a chance of drawing in more money? Isn't that good business?
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 25 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,657
@previous (B)
For the third time, I really don't care that McDonalds is the official Olympic McRestaurant. I'm not going on an anti-Big Mac jihad anytime soon. Maybe they'll give the IOC a few million dollars and choose McWalter to be the official McMascot of the 2016 Olympics and bring some glory to our obscure fora. To repeat: I'm not boycotting any of the Olympic sponsors. It's true I own New Balance shoes and I never buy Nike but that's because Nike doesn't have many styles easily available in extra wide.
I'm not against the Olympics or sports or corporate sponsorship. I'm just against the way they're funded using taxpayer money to enrich private corporations (I thought the left hated that...). And yes, nobody cares about my vote because I'm not eligible to vote in Sochi.
Yes, voting with dollars is less consequential than political voting in that a whopper and a royale with cheese are essentially the same thing. And yes, Warren Buffet could buy a bazillion whoppers making my vote not even infinitesimal in comparison.
But I like "voting" with dollars better because you get to choose between more than two nearly identical options. Yes, Coke and Pepsi are the same thing, but I can choose not to drink soft drinks at all.
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Anonymous B replied with this 12 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,658
@previous (Metæ) > I'm not going on an anti-Big Mac jihad anytime soon.
I will forward this to my friends at the NSA who will be happy to strike you from the list of potential Sochi terrorists.
> I'm not against the Olympics or sports or corporate sponsorship.
I guess it just sounded like you were with the topic title and all those posts about corporate sponsorship...
> Yes, Coke and Pepsi are the same thing, but I can choose not to drink soft drinks at all.
I wouldn't let KL hear you say these things.
Anyway, there's box of Franzia waiting for you over here.
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 26 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,659
@previous (B) > I will forward this to my friends at the NSA who will be happy to strike you from the list of potential Sochi terrorists.
That's exactly what a potential terrorist would want them to think... > > I'm not against the Olympics or sports or corporate sponsorship. > I guess it just sounded like you were with the topic title and all those posts about corporate sponsorship...
I think Britney Spears is a talentless hack and she is (or was, can't be arsed to check but she was in their commercials for a while) paid by Pepsi to pimp their fizzy fructose water but that doesn't mean I think she should be banned or Pepsi's sponsorship is bad, just that I don't care for her music. But not so much that I'd walk into PepsiCo headquarters armed with a minigun or anything. > > Yes, Coke and Pepsi are the same thing, but I can choose not to drink soft drinks at all. > I wouldn't let KL hear you say these things.
That was just a metaphor, he knows I always drink h > Anyway, there's box of Franzia waiting for you over here.
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Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 19 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,661
> tfw the Summer Olympics will never be coming back to the United States in your lifetime. ;_;
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,663
@previous (Catherine !TGirlYJKXM)
How come countries like Togo or Guatemala never get the Olympics? It's first world privilege.
jam replied with this 12 years ago, 49 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,667
I hope terrorists strike the 2016 Olympics. I hate Brazil.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 12 years ago, 5 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,686
This is weird, some cities loose billions and other make millions!
Metæ (OP) replied with this 12 years ago, 50 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,688
@previous (prime !jdTkvovFCQ) > The full cost of the Nagano Olympics is unknown, due to Nagano Olympic Bid Committee vice-secretary general Sumikazu Yamaguchi ordering accounting documents burned
Damlol > The cost of the 2004 Athens Summer Games has been cited as a contributor to the Greek government-debt crisis. Many of the venues lie vacant and rotting; the Independent newspaper reports as many as 21 out of 22 are unused.[21]
Economy: stimulated.
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prime !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 12 years ago, 36 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,699
@previous (Metæ)
beijing made a lot of money though!
Anonymous F replied with this 12 years ago, 23 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#463,702