Topic: ITT: Speculations on Libya
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 started this discussion 15 years ago #3,244
So it's a matter of days before the despot is dethroned. While America has joined the coalition, Obama has stated that America will be falling back and taking more of a "support position" after the initial phase. What do you think will become of Libya? Hopefully Obama is smart enough to know America can't handle rebuilding yet another country. Do you think the UN will be able to agree on what to do? Should we just hand the country over to the rebels?
No poll because they detract from getting real answers most of the time.
No poll because they detract from getting real answers most of the time.
The Owl !yshAAUvyds joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later[^] [v] #58,636
ib4 'rebels' actually were Al Quaida.
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My prediction: Qaddafi fends off the western attack, retakes Libya and invades France.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,666
How long before France surrenders? :3
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@58,669 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)> Google it
> 6th suggestion
> France surrenders to a boy scout troop
> mfw
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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 25 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,705
It's funny how nobody cares that we're killing brown people now that a democrat is the one pulling the trigger.
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Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,727
@58,705 (G)
It's a completely different situation though.
Also, a french pilot was the first to fire on a target.
It's a completely different situation though.
Also, a french pilot was the first to fire on a target.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 26 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,770
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,781
@58,727 (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
No, it's the same. If anything, it's worse.
Libya poses no threat to our national security.
We're not after terrorists who attacked us.
We're not even after oil.
This is an internal matter to the Libyan people, but the racist imperialist war criminal Obama decides to bomb the shit out of them with cruise missiles.
PATRIOT Act still in play.
Gitmo still open.
Troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Obama=Bush=imperialist war criminals who indiscriminately kill brown people for no good reason.
No, it's the same. If anything, it's worse.
Libya poses no threat to our national security.
We're not after terrorists who attacked us.
We're not even after oil.
This is an internal matter to the Libyan people, but the racist imperialist war criminal Obama decides to bomb the shit out of them with cruise missiles.
PATRIOT Act still in play.
Gitmo still open.
Troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Obama=Bush=imperialist war criminals who indiscriminately kill brown people for no good reason.
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,782
@58,770 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
Again, America will be stepping down and giving command to a different person after the first few days.
Again, America will be stepping down and giving command to a different person after the first few days.
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,784
@58,781 (G)
We are with multiple other nations attempting to stop a tyrant from killing his own people... The rebels have pleaded for outside help, the UN attempted at first to set up a no fly zone to keep the loyalist army from killing civilians. When they completely disregarded a number of requests there were no other options than to intervene. If we had not the rebels alongside thousands of innocent civilians would be slaughtered. He is having his own army destroy power plants and water treatment facilities and blaming on the rebels and the UN coalition...
We are with multiple other nations attempting to stop a tyrant from killing his own people... The rebels have pleaded for outside help, the UN attempted at first to set up a no fly zone to keep the loyalist army from killing civilians. When they completely disregarded a number of requests there were no other options than to intervene. If we had not the rebels alongside thousands of innocent civilians would be slaughtered. He is having his own army destroy power plants and water treatment facilities and blaming on the rebels and the UN coalition...
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Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,791
@58,784 (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
So in other words we're bombing a sovereign nation and killing brown people who pose zero threat to us because other people are doing it?
Nice genocidal outlook, Adolf.
So in other words we're bombing a sovereign nation and killing brown people who pose zero threat to us because other people are doing it?
Nice genocidal outlook, Adolf.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,809
@58,790 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
The submarine Westminster was in on this too bud. You guys have a part in this as well. As a matter of fact David Cameron personally shot a Libyan man in the face to show his commitment to this effort.
The submarine Westminster was in on this too bud. You guys have a part in this as well. As a matter of fact David Cameron personally shot a Libyan man in the face to show his commitment to this effort.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ double-posted this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,815
What I don't like is that the leader of Libya is responding to a domestic problem and is getting bombed. He was the first to give up his WMD ambitions. It doesn't make much sense to me.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,818
@58,809 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
HMS Westminster is a frigate, not a submarine.
> As a matter of fact David Cameron personally shot a Libyan man in the face to show his commitment to this effort.
Good for him. I sure hope it was one of those Gaddafi-Duck supporters.
HMS Westminster is a frigate, not a submarine.
> As a matter of fact David Cameron personally shot a Libyan man in the face to show his commitment to this effort.
Good for him. I sure hope it was one of those Gaddafi-Duck supporters.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,819
@58,815 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
> What I don't like is that the leader of Libya is responding to a domestic problem and is getting bombed. He was the first to give up his WMD ambitions. It doesn't make much sense to me.
They're brown. That's all the justification that AmeriKKKa needs to bomb civilians.
> What I don't like is that the leader of Libya is responding to a domestic problem and is getting bombed. He was the first to give up his WMD ambitions. It doesn't make much sense to me.
They're brown. That's all the justification that AmeriKKKa needs to bomb civilians.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,821
@58,818 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
My apologies. I must have misread MSN about the submarine. Either way you people are a part of this too.
My apologies. I must have misread MSN about the submarine. Either way you people are a part of this too.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,823
@58,819 (G)
> > What I don't like is that the leader of Libya is responding to a domestic problem and is getting bombed. He was the first to give up his WMD ambitions. It doesn't make much sense to me.
>
> They're brown. That's all the justification that AmeriKKKa needs to bomb civilians.
We haven't bombed anyone yet. We sent cruise missiles. Missiles have a rocket motor and bombs do not.
> > What I don't like is that the leader of Libya is responding to a domestic problem and is getting bombed. He was the first to give up his WMD ambitions. It doesn't make much sense to me.
>
> They're brown. That's all the justification that AmeriKKKa needs to bomb civilians.
We haven't bombed anyone yet. We sent cruise missiles. Missiles have a rocket motor and bombs do not.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,826
@previous (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
Three B-2 bombers bombed a Libyan airfield today. ;-)
Three B-2 bombers bombed a Libyan airfield today. ;-)
(Edited 1 minute later.)
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,828
@58,823 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
We're killing civilians who pose no threat to us and you're arguing semantics?
We're killing civilians who pose no threat to us and you're arguing semantics?
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,831
@58,826 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
B-2's can carry AGM's which ate bombs equipped with rocket motors which makes them missiles hence the AGM (air-to-ground missile) abbreviation. But I would be willing to bet that they used JDAMs instead of AGMs due to the lower cost of the JDAMS. Then they would have bombed them. Also if they didn't fly from Whiteman AFB in Missouri or Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean then they came from RAF Fairford in the UK.
B-2's can carry AGM's which ate bombs equipped with rocket motors which makes them missiles hence the AGM (air-to-ground missile) abbreviation. But I would be willing to bet that they used JDAMs instead of AGMs due to the lower cost of the JDAMS. Then they would have bombed them. Also if they didn't fly from Whiteman AFB in Missouri or Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean then they came from RAF Fairford in the UK.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,833
@58,828 (G)
> We're killing civilians who pose no threat to us and you're arguing semantics?
No. You are taking the Internet too seriously.
> We're killing civilians who pose no threat to us and you're arguing semantics?
No. You are taking the Internet too seriously.
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,842
@58,828 (G)
Do you only listen to the news coming from the Loyalists? Gadhafi is killing his own people. I can understand if you think using force to solve the problem is wrong, but the coalition forces have only attacked military targets.
Do you only listen to the news coming from the Loyalists? Gadhafi is killing his own people. I can understand if you think using force to solve the problem is wrong, but the coalition forces have only attacked military targets.
The Owl !yshAAUvyds replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,843
@58,676 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
> implying you're speaking Arabic
> implying it's not rendered Gaddafi in English
> implying you're speaking Arabic
> implying it's not rendered Gaddafi in English
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,850
@58,831 (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
It hasn't been announced which bombs or missiles they used so I don't know, but all of the news reports are saying "bombed" not "missiled".
> Also if they didn't fly from Whiteman AFB in Missouri or Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean then they came from RAF Fairford in the UK.
Your point?
It hasn't been announced which bombs or missiles they used so I don't know, but all of the news reports are saying "bombed" not "missiled".
> Also if they didn't fly from Whiteman AFB in Missouri or Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean then they came from RAF Fairford in the UK.
Your point?
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,851
@58,842 (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
He's killing his own people, sure.
How many more are we going to kill with our vastly superior weaponry?
How does Libyan killing Libyan affect the security of our country?
This is all just an excuse to kill more foreigners.
He's killing his own people, sure.
How many more are we going to kill with our vastly superior weaponry?
How does Libyan killing Libyan affect the security of our country?
This is all just an excuse to kill more foreigners.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,854
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,858
@58,851 (G)
Libya is a member of the UN.
Gadhafi has refused to respond to requests from the UN.
The UN responded with forcefully setting up a 'No fly zone' in Benghazi.
Again, if you are simply against the UN responding with force I understand, but we are not killing civilians. Only military targets have been hit. The rebels and civilians in Benghazi have welcomed the troops with cheers.
Libya is a member of the UN.
Gadhafi has refused to respond to requests from the UN.
The UN responded with forcefully setting up a 'No fly zone' in Benghazi.
Again, if you are simply against the UN responding with force I understand, but we are not killing civilians. Only military targets have been hit. The rebels and civilians in Benghazi have welcomed the troops with cheers.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,863
@previous (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
So the answer isn't to let the people of a sovereign nation overthrow their government to put in one who is less into killing people, the answer is to bomb the shit out of them.
Gotcha.
So the answer isn't to let the people of a sovereign nation overthrow their government to put in one who is less into killing people, the answer is to bomb the shit out of them.
Gotcha.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,867
@58,858 (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
> The UN responded with forcefully setting up a 'No fly zone' in Benghazi.
It's not just a NFZ though. There are also air strikes on tanks and other military assets.
> The UN responded with forcefully setting up a 'No fly zone' in Benghazi.
It's not just a NFZ though. There are also air strikes on tanks and other military assets.
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,875
@58,863 (G)
Where are you getting the idea that we are "bombing the shit out of them"? Gadhafi is ordering his troops to destroy civilian targets and then broadcasting it on the government run television claiming that the UN coalition is the culprit. Yes, targets have been destroyed, but cities haven't been leveled, and beyond a convoy and military supply depots nothing has been destroyed.
Where are you getting the idea that we are "bombing the shit out of them"? Gadhafi is ordering his troops to destroy civilian targets and then broadcasting it on the government run television claiming that the UN coalition is the culprit. Yes, targets have been destroyed, but cities haven't been leveled, and beyond a convoy and military supply depots nothing has been destroyed.
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,881
@58,867 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
Keyword being military . The man is using his military to kill innocents. His army should be dismantled.
Keyword being military . The man is using his military to kill innocents. His army should be dismantled.
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,883
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,890
@previous (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
He has already proved that he wont respond to requests from the UN. Would you prefer that they were still making requests of him that have no chance of being heeded? I'm by no means a warmongerer, but this is nothing like the peaceful revolution in Egypt.
He has already proved that he wont respond to requests from the UN. Would you prefer that they were still making requests of him that have no chance of being heeded? I'm by no means a warmongerer, but this is nothing like the peaceful revolution in Egypt.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,895
When we don't do anything, liberals bitch that we're being selfish (Darfur).
When we do something, liberals bitch that we shouldn't be policing the world (Libya).
When we do something, liberals bitch that we shouldn't be policing the world (Libya).
SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. replied with this 15 years ago, 8 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,898
@58,890 (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
No, we should just leave them to it. They wanted to start a revolution against him, let them deal with the consequences.
No, we should just leave them to it. They wanted to start a revolution against him, let them deal with the consequences.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,899
@58,875 (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
> Where are you getting the idea that we are "bombing the shit out of them"?
The Pentagon said earlier that we have launched over 100 cruise missiles.
This may sound shocking, but those cruise missiles aren't filled with unicorns and gummi bears.
> Where are you getting the idea that we are "bombing the shit out of them"?
The Pentagon said earlier that we have launched over 100 cruise missiles.
This may sound shocking, but those cruise missiles aren't filled with unicorns and gummi bears.
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,901
@58,898 (SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN.)
The fact of the matter is that Libya is a member of the UN. As such it becomes the UN's business when there is a revolt. Would you have the same stance were it your home country? What about the people that are not loyal, but not a part of the revolution?
The fact of the matter is that Libya is a member of the UN. As such it becomes the UN's business when there is a revolt. Would you have the same stance were it your home country? What about the people that are not loyal, but not a part of the revolution?
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 57 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,903
@58,899 (G)
A cruise missile is a guided missile that carries an explosive payload and is propelled, usually by a jet engine, towards its target. Cruise missiles are designed to deliver a large warhead over long distances with high accuracy
So they are pinpointing military targets. Still not seeing how this is killing innocent civilians.
A cruise missile is a guided missile that carries an explosive payload and is propelled, usually by a jet engine, towards its target. Cruise missiles are designed to deliver a large warhead over long distances with high accuracy
So they are pinpointing military targets. Still not seeing how this is killing innocent civilians.
Falco !PZmcClOUDk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 55 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,905
wuts goin on in here guise
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,907
@58,903 (Ph !5pM9NZR/l6)
> A cruise missile is a guided missile that carries an explosive payload and is propelled, usually by a jet engine, towards its target. Cruise missiles are designed to deliver a large warhead over long distances with high accuracy
>
> So they are pinpointing military targets. Still not seeing how this is killing innocent civilians.
Russia's Foreign Ministry said air strikes carried out by coalition forces killed 48 civilians and injured 150.
> A cruise missile is a guided missile that carries an explosive payload and is propelled, usually by a jet engine, towards its target. Cruise missiles are designed to deliver a large warhead over long distances with high accuracy
>
> So they are pinpointing military targets. Still not seeing how this is killing innocent civilians.
Russia's Foreign Ministry said air strikes carried out by coalition forces killed 48 civilians and injured 150.
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #58,917
@previous (G)
In a statement broadcast on state TV Saturday, his military said the strikes killed 48 people -- "mostly women, children and religious clerics."
So does the Libyan government run media... None of those claims have been confirmed.
In a statement broadcast on state TV Saturday, his military said the strikes killed 48 people -- "mostly women, children and religious clerics."
So does the Libyan government run media... None of those claims have been confirmed.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,043
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We saved their asses from the Tsar.
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,047
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,048
we have a lot of potential losses if lybia goes to hell, like .ly domains and.....um
Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,052
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
Fine products made in Lybia like...um the lphone (the superior Lybian version of the iPhone).
Fine products made in Lybia like...um the lphone (the superior Lybian version of the iPhone).
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,057
@previous (Leo Vegas !gNoGoD5HzQ)
petroleum, steel, iron, food processing, textiles, cement. That about sums up Libya's economy.
petroleum, steel, iron, food processing, textiles, cement. That about sums up Libya's economy.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,059
Ph !5pM9NZR/l6 (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,076
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
Right, but the military operations there aren't about procuring their products.
Right, but the military operations there aren't about procuring their products.
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At first they was like...SQUARED :3 !L.....AlN. double-posted this 15 years ago, 17 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,112
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jump !VIfloDyEYo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #59,611
While everyone is distracted with Libya, NK should strike and re-unite it's people!