Syntax joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later[^][v]#448,913
Sure on a very small scale such as a family unit. Scale it up beyond say a commune and Fail
It works in North Korea when run by an iron fist...Of course the elite leaders eat far more better then the worker drones.
Cuba well it does have a better health care system then many other places. They are now moving on to capitalism much like China.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^][v]#448,915
@previous (Syntax)
What about in a post-scarcity society?
Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^][v]#448,916
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Of course I have been thinking about Green recently. On the Dole and can get what he needs to the limit of that Dole.
Post-scarcity. Green wood love that. Unlimited Tesco cider and of course in theory he wood be expected to exchange something which could be road cones.
If I remember that theory of that system depends on unlimited resources. In some alternate universe perhaps. If you no where such exists do not share with Green.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^][v]#448,918
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Can a post-scarcity society happen in our lifetimes? Possibly involving the 3D Printer?
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#448,936
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This makes no sense. Why would communism ever be needed in post-scarcity society? Without scarcity, there's no justification for it.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#448,990
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 17 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#449,018
Checkout Jacque Fresco and The Venus Project.
Peter Diamandis, Ray Kurzweil, Jacque Fresco, Michio Kaku, and Jeremy Rifkin and plenty of others have promoted something like communism.
decibelmilliwatts !!8lSAEPzaj joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#449,046
@448,913 (Syntax)
North Korea is about as good of an example as communism as Azerbaijan is an example of democracy. @448,915 (A)
Perfectly. @448,916 (Syntax)
Post-scarcity doesn't require unlimited resources. It just requires us having access to more than we could need to maintain a reasonably increasing standard of living. @448,936 (C)
Without scarcity, nothing other than a wholly egalitarian system can make even the slightest bit of sense. There'd be no excuse left for poverty.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#449,057
> Without scarcity, nothing other than a wholly egalitarian system can make even the slightest bit of sense. There'd be no excuse left for poverty.
No but what about my ten million acre mcmansion and my triple-olympic swimming pool and my solid gold toilet how can anybody expect to live without being helicoptered everywhere
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 41 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#449,065
I run my house on communist principles.
decibelmilliwatts !!8lSAEPzaj replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#449,083
@449,057 (G)
The only reason people actually want that kind of excess is an act of dick-waving in the context of a system with scarcity.
Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#449,101
@449,046 (decibelmilliwatts !!8lSAEPzaj) > Post-scarcity doesn't require unlimited resources. It just requires us having access to more than we could need to maintain a reasonably increasing standard of living.
Bottom line is - Its a good theory for a few Science Fiction or Fantasy stories.
Yea North Korea may not be a good example but that is the Pablum the leaders teach to the drone workers. It does work out as None for Them and all for the Leaders
decibelmilliwatts !!8lSAEPzaj replied with this 13 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#449,151
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#449,163
It works just fine in China.
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#449,165
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China? Foul stinky smelly country. People eat insects cats and dogs. They poop on streets. They live in fear of commie masters.
decibelmilliwatts !!8lSAEPzaj replied with this 13 years ago, 16 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#449,228
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djssjakjksadkjsdakjsadjksadkjadskjasdkj "communist china"
Dude. China is about as communist as Galt's Gulch or the modern US.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#449,239
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This is true. All the "communist" countries of the Cold War days are either gone or only nominally communist. The analogy with Galt's Gulch is flawed though, IMO, because it's no capitalist paradise, either.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#449,242
Mutual collectivist societies are perfectly capable of functioning, but involuntary participation always ruins it.
See: every "Marxist" society that was just a leftist ultranationalist state.
Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 1 day later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#449,415
> Without scarcity, nothing other than a wholly egalitarian system can make even the slightest bit of sense. There'd be no excuse left for poverty.
Without scarcity, any system concerning itself with distribution is useless and offers nothing more than inefficiency. Abundance itself is already seeing to people's needs, so the 'system' is fucking pointless.