Topic: Green: Your thoughts on the EDL?
Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 started this discussion 13 years ago #30,270
No surrender?No surrender.
I should mention that I'm starting to find myself hating the Islamic fascists and most of the immigrants pouring into Europe. It's a soft jihad against civilization. What can happen is only a war with Islam.
Green joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later[^] [v] #436,776
Hey, Negi! Use some of your magic to stop them! Your pet ermine will be very proud of you.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 33 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,804
Bigotry is not a good answer to bigotry, Negi.
Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,822
@436,776 (Green)I'm touched you know about Mahou Sensei Negima.
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@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Protecting civilization is not hate.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 38 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,837
@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Justifying your ingroup as more civilized is an old and busted argument bud. Grow up and leave.
Justifying your ingroup as more civilized is an old and busted argument bud. Grow up and leave.
Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,841
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,842
@436,822 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Yes it is. You stereotype all Middle Easteners as the same, make it about "us" and "them".
Yes it is. You stereotype all Middle Easteners as the same, make it about "us" and "them".
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 13 years ago, 43 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,844
Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,845
@436,842 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Not all Middle Easterners are Muslims and not all Muslims are from the Middle East. There are Arab Christians and Jews and atheists. I have nothing against a religion, just immigrants who attack people and make countries unlivable. We need to stand up for European culture and not let others dictate to us what we can and can't do.
Not all Middle Easterners are Muslims and not all Muslims are from the Middle East. There are Arab Christians and Jews and atheists. I have nothing against a religion, just immigrants who attack people and make countries unlivable. We need to stand up for European culture and not let others dictate to us what we can and can't do.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,846
@previous (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Yes, radical Islamism is bad, radical religion is bad. Ultimately something we need to grow out of. But we do that by educating, by making information free. Violence will only make things worse.
Yes, radical Islamism is bad, radical religion is bad. Ultimately something we need to grow out of. But we do that by educating, by making information free. Violence will only make things worse.
Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,847
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I would never advocate violence, but I would say warfare is acceptable. Sometimes you can't negotiate with a "mad dog" and have to use decisive action to prevent needless chaos and death. I oppose any and all attempts to make it illegal to defend one's self against aggression. I'm talking about measured responses targeting those able to fight. No attacks on civilians.
I would never advocate violence, but I would say warfare is acceptable. Sometimes you can't negotiate with a "mad dog" and have to use decisive action to prevent needless chaos and death. I oppose any and all attempts to make it illegal to defend one's self against aggression. I'm talking about measured responses targeting those able to fight. No attacks on civilians.
Anonymous D replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,848
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,850
Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 47 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,856
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 11 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,859
@436,847 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Warfare against whom? And what would this "warfare" involve?
Warfare against whom? And what would this "warfare" involve?
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MetalPairofducks !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,861
@436,847 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
That's terribly generalizing. Every Muslim I've met has been perfectly nice. Maybe they were all secretly wearing suicide vests and fantasizing about mandatory Sharia but if they were I couldn't see it.
I don't see how Islam is any better or worse than Judaism or Christianity. They're all pretty retarded.
That's terribly generalizing. Every Muslim I've met has been perfectly nice. Maybe they were all secretly wearing suicide vests and fantasizing about mandatory Sharia but if they were I couldn't see it.
I don't see how Islam is any better or worse than Judaism or Christianity. They're all pretty retarded.
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,863
@previous (MetalPairofducks !PARAdoxiHw)
But they're all secretly plotting against us, you see. It won't be long before we're all being made to speak Mosque, I'm telling you!
But they're all secretly plotting against us, you see. It won't be long before we're all being made to speak Mosque, I'm telling you!
Anonymous D replied with this 13 years ago, 19 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,865
Green !BEERiVqJJw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,882
I can't stand them. They are too thuggish. I corrected their grammar on a Facebook page once and they went mental. I'm not a fan of Muslims either.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 31 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,888
Minichan if filled with brainwashed liberal morons
Anonymous H double-posted this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,889
@436,846 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Stop parroting things you read in the press, you sound like a brainless fool. Arab countries have been offered free information, education and democracy for years but they took their new freedom and chose to be more radically religious. Welcome to Islam, enjoy being culturally enriched.
Stop parroting things you read in the press, you sound like a brainless fool. Arab countries have been offered free information, education and democracy for years but they took their new freedom and chose to be more radically religious. Welcome to Islam, enjoy being culturally enriched.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 40 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,893
Anonymous D replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,898
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,922
@436,856 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
So you have no real point and are just attention whoring as usual? Gotcha.
@436,889 (H)
lol at your mad
Right, it's not like like we've seen a steady rise in pro-democracy uprisings and woman's rights advocation.
So you have no real point and are just attention whoring as usual? Gotcha.
@436,889 (H)
lol at your mad
Right, it's not like like we've seen a steady rise in pro-democracy uprisings and woman's rights advocation.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,924
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,926
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Marching under the EDL Anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU
Marching under the EDL Anthem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 34 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,927
@436,924 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You don't have to deal with them in Cornwall. In Luton, they are everywhere.
You don't have to deal with them in Cornwall. In Luton, they are everywhere.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,928
@436,926 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
Ha. I can't watch the original one without imaging that now.
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Are lots of brown people alone enough to scare you?
The problem is that they often don't intergrate much and stick to their own communities, which then leads to this whole "us and them" rubbish.
I say give it some time. Their children will grow up in a much more moderate envrioment, becoming gradually less radical and isolated then their parents.
Ha. I can't watch the original one without imaging that now.
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Are lots of brown people alone enough to scare you?
The problem is that they often don't intergrate much and stick to their own communities, which then leads to this whole "us and them" rubbish.
I say give it some time. Their children will grow up in a much more moderate envrioment, becoming gradually less radical and isolated then their parents.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,929
@436,922 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
How's Egypt getting on? Last I heard they had a democratic uprising in which they voted in a very religious party when was then over thrown in a military coup leaving hundreds dead and counting.
How's Egypt getting on? Last I heard they had a democratic uprising in which they voted in a very religious party when was then over thrown in a military coup leaving hundreds dead and counting.
Anonymous H double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,931
How about the Libyan revolutionary? That country has become even more radically religious.
Anonymous H triple-posted this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,932
@436,922 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
There has been no extra rights in for woman in Muslim countries other than in Saudi Arabia where they didn't flog a woman for driving.
You sound like an American politician, "Give them democracy and they'll become more like us" where in fact they got their democracy but decided to restrict freedoms and embrace Sharia law
There has been no extra rights in for woman in Muslim countries other than in Saudi Arabia where they didn't flog a woman for driving.
You sound like an American politician, "Give them democracy and they'll become more like us" where in fact they got their democracy but decided to restrict freedoms and embrace Sharia law
Anonymous H quadruple-posted this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,933
@436,928 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Are lots of brown people alone enough to scare you?
Where in the UK do you live? Are you one of those white kids who lives in a 95% white town and then preaches on the internet about race and how multiculturalism is here to save us?
> Are lots of brown people alone enough to scare you?
Where in the UK do you live? Are you one of those white kids who lives in a 95% white town and then preaches on the internet about race and how multiculturalism is here to save us?
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,934
@436,928 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No. They tend to hang out in groups. Spitting on the ground and causing trouble. They speak in their own language and try to intimidate people. Yes, I would say that scares me.
@previous (H)
He's in Cornwall.
No. They tend to hang out in groups. Spitting on the ground and causing trouble. They speak in their own language and try to intimidate people. Yes, I would say that scares me.
@previous (H)
He's in Cornwall.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,935
@436,929 (H)
And yet the people overthrew their regime, and demanded a democratic election. This would not have happened if they hated democracy. They voted for it, and that is significant.
@436,932 (H)
There was that Muslim girl who made a blog about more rights for women, and Saudia Arabia was in fact was the last Muslim country to allow women to drive. Progress!
@436,933 (H)
Are you one of those mindless bigots who enjoys having a boogeyman to shout about?
Tell me, what is your ideal solution to radical Muslims? Segregate them en masse? Maybe kill them off? You are no better than the countless swathes of bigots in history who have tried this and ultimately failed.
And yet the people overthrew their regime, and demanded a democratic election. This would not have happened if they hated democracy. They voted for it, and that is significant.
@436,932 (H)
There was that Muslim girl who made a blog about more rights for women, and Saudia Arabia was in fact was the last Muslim country to allow women to drive. Progress!
@436,933 (H)
Are you one of those mindless bigots who enjoys having a boogeyman to shout about?
Tell me, what is your ideal solution to radical Muslims? Segregate them en masse? Maybe kill them off? You are no better than the countless swathes of bigots in history who have tried this and ultimately failed.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,936
@436,934 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
> No. They tend to hang out in groups. Spitting on the ground and causing trouble. They speak in their own language and try to intimidate people. Yes, I would say that scares me.
Do they do this because they are Muslims, or because they are just hostile people? Do you ever take note of brown people who do not do these things? Also the people you described sound more like chavs than devout Muslims.
> No. They tend to hang out in groups. Spitting on the ground and causing trouble. They speak in their own language and try to intimidate people. Yes, I would say that scares me.
Do they do this because they are Muslims, or because they are just hostile people? Do you ever take note of brown people who do not do these things? Also the people you described sound more like chavs than devout Muslims.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,937
@436,935 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
You have no right to speak about this issue. You live in Cornwall, where the majority is still right. Come down to one of the towns around London and tell me you'd still feel the same way.
You have no right to speak about this issue. You live in Cornwall, where the majority is still right. Come down to one of the towns around London and tell me you'd still feel the same way.
Green !BEERiVqJJw double-posted this 13 years ago, 55 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,938
@436,936 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Yes. The Muslim people are more likely to do these things.
Yes. The Muslim people are more likely to do these things.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,939
@436,937 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
But conversely, one could say that a white person in London has objectivity ruined by the fact that lots of unruly people who happen to be immigrants end up there.
And I did actually go to London for a while. I saw lots of other races around, and it was fine.
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Why do you think that is, Green?
Nice edit, dumbass.
For those who missed it, he originally said "brown people" instead of Muslims.
But conversely, one could say that a white person in London has objectivity ruined by the fact that lots of unruly people who happen to be immigrants end up there.
And I did actually go to London for a while. I saw lots of other races around, and it was fine.
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Why do you think that is, Green?
Nice edit, dumbass.
For those who missed it, he originally said "brown people" instead of Muslims.
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Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,940
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No need to call me dumbass. You said brown people first. And you can have no opinion on these matters, unless you live there you naive piece of shit. Visiting won't really sway your close-minded opinion.
No need to call me dumbass. You said brown people first. And you can have no opinion on these matters, unless you live there you naive piece of shit. Visiting won't really sway your close-minded opinion.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,941
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
I was saying "brown people" to mock you, actually. You used it as racist remark.
> And you can have no opinion on these matters, unless you live there you naive piece of shit.
Uh, why? It's a simple enough concept. Lots of new people from another culture come in, make their own community, original people come to distrust them as "others" and vice-versa. In-groups and out-groups form.
> Visiting won't really sway your close-minded opinion.
You, a bigot, are calling me close-minded? How ironic.
I was saying "brown people" to mock you, actually. You used it as racist remark.
> And you can have no opinion on these matters, unless you live there you naive piece of shit.
Uh, why? It's a simple enough concept. Lots of new people from another culture come in, make their own community, original people come to distrust them as "others" and vice-versa. In-groups and out-groups form.
> Visiting won't really sway your close-minded opinion.
You, a bigot, are calling me close-minded? How ironic.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 53 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,942
@436,935 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
That's the way to go. Someone has a different opinion and you call them racists, misogynists and bigots. It's the liberal bullying tactics of name calling in order to shut them up. So... Cornwall, move to an area where they let in Muslims by the truck load like East London, Bradford or Malmo in Sweden. When crimes like rape, assault and other anti-social crimes rise you can put your hands over your eyes and act like nothing is happening.
> And yet the people overthrew their regime, and demanded a democratic election. This would not have happened if they hated democracy. They voted for it, and that is significant.
Is this a joke? Half the population was happy to protest against the fairly voted in government to the point the army kicked them out of office then shoot up their supporters the other half who voted in the government were fairly anti-democracy to begin with so voted in a government which was as bad if not worse than the dictator they kick out. Pull your head from your ass, son.
> There was that Muslim girl who made a blog about more rights for women, and Saudia Arabia was in fact was the last Muslim country to allow women to drive. Progress!
Small symbols to please the west with whom they do a lot of business with. Did you forget about that Norwegian women they arrested and tried to jail for being raped? Progress!
That's the way to go. Someone has a different opinion and you call them racists, misogynists and bigots. It's the liberal bullying tactics of name calling in order to shut them up. So... Cornwall, move to an area where they let in Muslims by the truck load like East London, Bradford or Malmo in Sweden. When crimes like rape, assault and other anti-social crimes rise you can put your hands over your eyes and act like nothing is happening.
> And yet the people overthrew their regime, and demanded a democratic election. This would not have happened if they hated democracy. They voted for it, and that is significant.
Is this a joke? Half the population was happy to protest against the fairly voted in government to the point the army kicked them out of office then shoot up their supporters the other half who voted in the government were fairly anti-democracy to begin with so voted in a government which was as bad if not worse than the dictator they kick out. Pull your head from your ass, son.
> There was that Muslim girl who made a blog about more rights for women, and Saudia Arabia was in fact was the last Muslim country to allow women to drive. Progress!
Small symbols to please the west with whom they do a lot of business with. Did you forget about that Norwegian women they arrested and tried to jail for being raped? Progress!
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Anonymous H double-posted this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,943
@436,941 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> I was saying "brown people" to mock you, actually. You used it as racist remark.
How do you know he wasn't mocking you since you coined it first.
> I was saying "brown people" to mock you, actually. You used it as racist remark.
How do you know he wasn't mocking you since you coined it first.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 17 seconds later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,944
@436,941 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Fuck off. I changed it from brown people because my ex was half-black. Ironic how you call me a bigot. You are safe and sound in Cornwall, where there is hardly any multiculturalism. I live in a multicultural hotspot and am more wise in these matters.
Fuck off. I changed it from brown people because my ex was half-black. Ironic how you call me a bigot. You are safe and sound in Cornwall, where there is hardly any multiculturalism. I live in a multicultural hotspot and am more wise in these matters.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,945
@436,942 (H)
> It's the liberal bullying tactics of name calling in order to shut them up.
I just love the constant irony that people like you give out. Do you see no irony at all in accusing others of stereotyping or name calling? And, you are bigoted, you see a minority (Muslims) and try to attatch negative stereotypes to them all, viewing them as a negative out-group. Bigotry.
> When crimes like rape, assault and other anti-social crimes rise you can put your hands over your eyes and act like nothing is happening.
Irrational. They do this because they are bad people with few morals, not because they are Muslims. Their relgion nor their race is the root cause.
> Is this a joke? Half the population was happy to protest against the fairly voted in government to the point the army kicked them out of office then shoot up their supporters the other half who voted in the government were fairly anti-democracy to begin with so voted in a government which was as bad if not worse than the dictator they kick out. Pull your head from your ass, son.
> protests
> voted
Right, clearly the signs of a despotic regime. There's no hiding from it, bud. Progress is happening over there. Of course relgious, conservative governments are going to be voted in at first. They're still Muslims. It's the fact that they're demanding democracy in the first place that is a sure sign of progress.
> Small symbols to please the west with whom they do a lot of business with.
She did that on her own...
> Did you forget about that Norwegian women they arrested and tried to joil for being raped? Progress!
That doesn't stop actual signs of progress from existing.
> It's the liberal bullying tactics of name calling in order to shut them up.
I just love the constant irony that people like you give out. Do you see no irony at all in accusing others of stereotyping or name calling? And, you are bigoted, you see a minority (Muslims) and try to attatch negative stereotypes to them all, viewing them as a negative out-group. Bigotry.
> When crimes like rape, assault and other anti-social crimes rise you can put your hands over your eyes and act like nothing is happening.
Irrational. They do this because they are bad people with few morals, not because they are Muslims. Their relgion nor their race is the root cause.
> Is this a joke? Half the population was happy to protest against the fairly voted in government to the point the army kicked them out of office then shoot up their supporters the other half who voted in the government were fairly anti-democracy to begin with so voted in a government which was as bad if not worse than the dictator they kick out. Pull your head from your ass, son.
> protests
> voted
Right, clearly the signs of a despotic regime. There's no hiding from it, bud. Progress is happening over there. Of course relgious, conservative governments are going to be voted in at first. They're still Muslims. It's the fact that they're demanding democracy in the first place that is a sure sign of progress.
> Small symbols to please the west with whom they do a lot of business with.
She did that on her own...
> Did you forget about that Norwegian women they arrested and tried to joil for being raped? Progress!
That doesn't stop actual signs of progress from existing.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,946
@436,944 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
You seem upset! Just don't take it out on your poor toilet, okay? ;)
> You are safe and sound in Cornwall, where there is hardly any multiculturalism. I live in a multicultural hotspot and am more wise in these matters.
You're not listening. I already addressed this point before.
You seem upset! Just don't take it out on your poor toilet, okay? ;)
> You are safe and sound in Cornwall, where there is hardly any multiculturalism. I live in a multicultural hotspot and am more wise in these matters.
You're not listening. I already addressed this point before.
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,947
@436,945 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Muslims may be a minority where you are, but there are a large number of them here.
Muslims may be a minority where you are, but there are a large number of them here.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,948
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
Okay, and this is a bad thing because they stay in their own communities, and develop a mutual "us-them" thing with the locals. That's going to happen if you put a large group of people into any other country and they stick to themselves.
The thing is, that this will likely get less bad as time goes on. Lots of Muslim kids do intergrate into British society to some degree, becoming less seperate and becoming more tolerant.
Okay, and this is a bad thing because they stay in their own communities, and develop a mutual "us-them" thing with the locals. That's going to happen if you put a large group of people into any other country and they stick to themselves.
The thing is, that this will likely get less bad as time goes on. Lots of Muslim kids do intergrate into British society to some degree, becoming less seperate and becoming more tolerant.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 49 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,951
I love how you believe multiculturalism is fine and dandy and anyone who says other is a racist bigot.
@436,945 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
It's funny how history has shown that mass multiculturalism fails time and time over, it was one of the main reasons the Roman Empire fell which brought on the dark ages. Do you see what is happening in Greece and far right movements? Nazi Germany? At some point hard times fall and the dominant culture attacks the other. You love to stick up for Muslims but do you see Muslim countries falling over themselves to become multicultural?
Oh, I loved this bit
> Their relgion nor their race is the root cause.
I wonder why 100% of rapes in Malmo were committed by Muslim men and why rape rises sharply everywhere there is mass Muslim migration.
You're a funny guy living in your little white town thinking you're all super progressive.
@436,945 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
It's funny how history has shown that mass multiculturalism fails time and time over, it was one of the main reasons the Roman Empire fell which brought on the dark ages. Do you see what is happening in Greece and far right movements? Nazi Germany? At some point hard times fall and the dominant culture attacks the other. You love to stick up for Muslims but do you see Muslim countries falling over themselves to become multicultural?
Oh, I loved this bit
> Their relgion nor their race is the root cause.
I wonder why 100% of rapes in Malmo were committed by Muslim men and why rape rises sharply everywhere there is mass Muslim migration.
You're a funny guy living in your little white town thinking you're all super progressive.
Anonymous H double-posted this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,952
@436,948 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Lots of Muslim kids do intergrate into British society to some degree, becoming less seperate and becoming more tolerant
A lot of Muslim kids also become more radical as they have access to radical teachings then go to fight in Iraq, Somalia or some other hole. Some become radical and do damage in their adopted country.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334488/Inside-dark-world-Woolwich-Boys-The-300-strong-gang-Somalis-linked-Rigby-murder-suspect-targeted-terror-groups-looking-jihadists-future.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/europe/britain-somalia-diaspora
http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/research/transnational-spaces/migration-research-unit/publications/pdfs/SYDRC%20May%20conference%20report.pdf
> Lots of Muslim kids do intergrate into British society to some degree, becoming less seperate and becoming more tolerant
A lot of Muslim kids also become more radical as they have access to radical teachings then go to fight in Iraq, Somalia or some other hole. Some become radical and do damage in their adopted country.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2334488/Inside-dark-world-Woolwich-Boys-The-300-strong-gang-Somalis-linked-Rigby-murder-suspect-targeted-terror-groups-looking-jihadists-future.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2012/02/23/world/europe/britain-somalia-diaspora
http://www.geog.ucl.ac.uk/research/transnational-spaces/migration-research-unit/publications/pdfs/SYDRC%20May%20conference%20report.pdf
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,953
Hmmmm, looking back I've actually been kind of rude, which doesn't really help make a constructive dialogue. Granted, Anonymous H started it, but still.
@436,951 (H)
> I love how you believe multiculturalism is fine and dandy and anyone who says other is a racist bigot.
I never said that. If anything I'm saying I want less multiculturalism so that people get along better and radical idealogies lose power.
> I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
So you have no rebuttal to my point? We've seen signs of a move towards democracy, this cannot be denied.
> At some point hard times fall and the dominant culture attacks the other.
That doesn't make it okay. That's a country having to fall back on shared hatred to stay strong. And how does that usually end up?
> I wonder why 100% of rapes in Malmo were committed by Muslim men and why rape rises sharply everywhere there is mass Muslim migration.
You're not making a valid point. They commit those crimes because they are immoral people, not because of their race or religion. How would you explain Muslims who do not rape?
Also, I'd be interested to hear your solution to this issue. How would you handle it?
@436,951 (H)
> I love how you believe multiculturalism is fine and dandy and anyone who says other is a racist bigot.
I never said that. If anything I'm saying I want less multiculturalism so that people get along better and radical idealogies lose power.
> I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
So you have no rebuttal to my point? We've seen signs of a move towards democracy, this cannot be denied.
> At some point hard times fall and the dominant culture attacks the other.
That doesn't make it okay. That's a country having to fall back on shared hatred to stay strong. And how does that usually end up?
> I wonder why 100% of rapes in Malmo were committed by Muslim men and why rape rises sharply everywhere there is mass Muslim migration.
You're not making a valid point. They commit those crimes because they are immoral people, not because of their race or religion. How would you explain Muslims who do not rape?
Also, I'd be interested to hear your solution to this issue. How would you handle it?
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Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,955
Green joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,956
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,957
@436,953 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> > I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
> So you have no rebuttal to my point? We've seen signs of a move towards democracy, this cannot be denied.
Really? They kicked out a dictator, voted in a radical muslim who once in power took on the role of a dictator, the people who didn't vote protested to the point the army committed a coup, the army then proceeded to shoot up the the protesting supporters of the voted in government. And you call that progress? I obviously can't your mind so you just have to continue believing Egypt will soon be a happy smiling place under one giant rainbow given enough time and it's all up hill from there.
> > I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
> So you have no rebuttal to my point? We've seen signs of a move towards democracy, this cannot be denied.
It really was gibberish and not at all due to a lack of a rebuttal.
> > I wonder why 100% of rapes in Malmo were committed by Muslim men and why rape rises sharply everywhere there is mass Muslim migration.
> You're not making a valid point. They commit those crimes because they are immoral people, not because of their race or religion. How would you explain Muslims who do not rape?
When your religion and culture allows rapists to blame the victim then your religion and culture is to blame. Why is it Muslims are more likely to rape than other cultures?
> > I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
> So you have no rebuttal to my point? We've seen signs of a move towards democracy, this cannot be denied.
Really? They kicked out a dictator, voted in a radical muslim who once in power took on the role of a dictator, the people who didn't vote protested to the point the army committed a coup, the army then proceeded to shoot up the the protesting supporters of the voted in government. And you call that progress? I obviously can't your mind so you just have to continue believing Egypt will soon be a happy smiling place under one giant rainbow given enough time and it's all up hill from there.
> > I can't even respond to this as it really made little sense. Please continue to believe Egypt is making progress, it's hilarious!
> So you have no rebuttal to my point? We've seen signs of a move towards democracy, this cannot be denied.
It really was gibberish and not at all due to a lack of a rebuttal.
> > I wonder why 100% of rapes in Malmo were committed by Muslim men and why rape rises sharply everywhere there is mass Muslim migration.
> You're not making a valid point. They commit those crimes because they are immoral people, not because of their race or religion. How would you explain Muslims who do not rape?
When your religion and culture allows rapists to blame the victim then your religion and culture is to blame. Why is it Muslims are more likely to rape than other cultures?
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 16 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,961
Also, I am quite clearly interacting with people of different races in this picture. Put that in your immy brain killer lettuce.(Edited 1 minute later.)
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,963
@436,955 (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
I called you bigoted because you said that a high concentration of other races was a bad thing, and that "brown people" were more likly to engage in anti-social behaviour.
@436,952 (H)
Meanwhile, I could post stories about white kids going out and commiting crime, and encouraging other kids to commit crime. Would you accept this as proof that white children are inherently predisposed to that sort of behaviour, I wonder?
@436,957 (H)
> Really? They kicked out a dictator, voted in a radical muslim who once in power took on the role of a dictator, the people who didn't vote protested to the point the army committed a coup, the army then proceeded to shoot up the the protesting supporters of the voted in government. And you call that progress? I obviously can't your mind so you just have to continue believing Egypt will soon be a happy smiling place under one giant rainbow given enough time and it's all up hill from there.
You're not recognising that progress is relative, and takes time. Of course they are not going to vote in a left wing, equal rights advocate first thing. The fact that they voted and protested, is a good sign. The military involvement, not so much, but the progress still happened. Democracy was still reached for.
> When your religion and culture allows rapists to blame the victim then your religion and culture is to blame. Why is it Muslims are more likely to rape than other cultures?
The Old Testament also says that a man has the right over his wife's body, yet Christianity has generally grown more moderate despite this and other extreme parts. Relgion can be selectively ignored, it's an individual's own morals that are the key thing here. But that seems to be a key part of bigotry, I think. De-individualising whatever group you are hating, trying to downplay that they are all individuals with their own morals and views.
And again, you are ignoring Muslims who do not rape and do not want to rape. Which is, funnily enough, quite a lot of Muslims.
Anonymous H, tell me, how would you address the problem of Muslim immigrants? I've asked you three times now, and you have yet to answer!
@previous (Green !BEERiVqJJw)
I called you bigoted because you said that a high concentration of other races was a bad thing, and that "brown people" were more likly to engage in anti-social behaviour.
@436,952 (H)
Meanwhile, I could post stories about white kids going out and commiting crime, and encouraging other kids to commit crime. Would you accept this as proof that white children are inherently predisposed to that sort of behaviour, I wonder?
@436,957 (H)
> Really? They kicked out a dictator, voted in a radical muslim who once in power took on the role of a dictator, the people who didn't vote protested to the point the army committed a coup, the army then proceeded to shoot up the the protesting supporters of the voted in government. And you call that progress? I obviously can't your mind so you just have to continue believing Egypt will soon be a happy smiling place under one giant rainbow given enough time and it's all up hill from there.
You're not recognising that progress is relative, and takes time. Of course they are not going to vote in a left wing, equal rights advocate first thing. The fact that they voted and protested, is a good sign. The military involvement, not so much, but the progress still happened. Democracy was still reached for.
> When your religion and culture allows rapists to blame the victim then your religion and culture is to blame. Why is it Muslims are more likely to rape than other cultures?
The Old Testament also says that a man has the right over his wife's body, yet Christianity has generally grown more moderate despite this and other extreme parts. Relgion can be selectively ignored, it's an individual's own morals that are the key thing here. But that seems to be a key part of bigotry, I think. De-individualising whatever group you are hating, trying to downplay that they are all individuals with their own morals and views.
And again, you are ignoring Muslims who do not rape and do not want to rape. Which is, funnily enough, quite a lot of Muslims.
Anonymous H, tell me, how would you address the problem of Muslim immigrants? I've asked you three times now, and you have yet to answer!
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 17 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,967
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,969
Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 14 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,974
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,975
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 15 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,981
@436,963 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Anonymous H, tell me, how would you address the problem of Muslim immigrants? I've asked you three times now, and you have yet to answer!
Why do you want to know what I'll do? How is it relevant to the discussion? It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it and you or someone would twist what I would say and go "hurr durr racist bigot, you don't think like me so you're a racist, go back to Nazi Germany"
Why is democracy the final solution? The goal to be reached for? The more peaceful/safe Muslim countries do not have a democracy or do you think the west should bring democracy to them too? From what I've seen so far bringing democracy to the middle east only brings violence. Oh wait for it...
> hurr give it time, ignore the body count teehee, just give it time, history will show I'm right. just.. need.. more... time..
The old testament isn't imprinted in law in the UK, Europe or north America. The Qur'an is with Shara law, the rape victim is almost always at fault if you live in a Muslim country. You don't have to look very hard to see woman are seen as 2nd class people and muslim men get away with a lot of rapes. When you grow up in a culture where women are looked down on and you'll most likely get away with an act of rape it become more common place.
> Anonymous H, tell me, how would you address the problem of Muslim immigrants? I've asked you three times now, and you have yet to answer!
Why do you want to know what I'll do? How is it relevant to the discussion? It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it and you or someone would twist what I would say and go "hurr durr racist bigot, you don't think like me so you're a racist, go back to Nazi Germany"
Why is democracy the final solution? The goal to be reached for? The more peaceful/safe Muslim countries do not have a democracy or do you think the west should bring democracy to them too? From what I've seen so far bringing democracy to the middle east only brings violence. Oh wait for it...
> hurr give it time, ignore the body count teehee, just give it time, history will show I'm right. just.. need.. more... time..
The old testament isn't imprinted in law in the UK, Europe or north America. The Qur'an is with Shara law, the rape victim is almost always at fault if you live in a Muslim country. You don't have to look very hard to see woman are seen as 2nd class people and muslim men get away with a lot of rapes. When you grow up in a culture where women are looked down on and you'll most likely get away with an act of rape it become more common place.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,984
@previous (H)
> Why do you want to know what I'll do? How is it relevant to the discussion? It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it and you or someone would twist what I would say and go "hurr durr racist bigot, you don't think like me so you're a racist, go back to Nazi Germany"
Because if you think your insight is right, then surely you think you have the correct solution. Tell me, why are you afraid of being labelled a bigot for your proposed solution? Do you not have complete confidence in it? If it's right, then what others think shouldn't matter.
> It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it
And neither of us has the power to suddenly change Muslim culture or immigration, yet we're talking anyway. By that logic, this whole conversation is pointless.
> Why is democracy the final solution? The goal to be reached for? The more peaceful/safe Muslim countries do not have a democracy or do you think the west should bring democracy to them too?
You don't think that a system where every citizen has a vote and equal rights is the optimum goal? And just look at the most successful, forward-thinking countries. Notice a trend?
> >hurr give it time, ignore the body count teehee, just give it time, history will show I'm right. just.. need.. more... time..
History does support what I'm saying. The transition to democracy was certainly not a painless one for western countries, you could apply your exact logic to the events of the French revolution, and they still ended up a democracy.
> The old testament isn't imprinted in law in the UK, Europe or north America
And yet there was a point in time when it heavily influenced the law, and was such a cultural norm that it may as well have been a law. But we grew out of it. Culture changed and those primitive beliefs were lost. We've seen that Muslim countries can do this too, with them allowing women more rights and giving their people more access to information (the internet). Honestly, you just seem quite pessimistic, arguing that Muslim culture cannot be changed for the better. But we've seen that it can.
> Why do you want to know what I'll do? How is it relevant to the discussion? It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it and you or someone would twist what I would say and go "hurr durr racist bigot, you don't think like me so you're a racist, go back to Nazi Germany"
Because if you think your insight is right, then surely you think you have the correct solution. Tell me, why are you afraid of being labelled a bigot for your proposed solution? Do you not have complete confidence in it? If it's right, then what others think shouldn't matter.
> It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it
And neither of us has the power to suddenly change Muslim culture or immigration, yet we're talking anyway. By that logic, this whole conversation is pointless.
> Why is democracy the final solution? The goal to be reached for? The more peaceful/safe Muslim countries do not have a democracy or do you think the west should bring democracy to them too?
You don't think that a system where every citizen has a vote and equal rights is the optimum goal? And just look at the most successful, forward-thinking countries. Notice a trend?
> >hurr give it time, ignore the body count teehee, just give it time, history will show I'm right. just.. need.. more... time..
History does support what I'm saying. The transition to democracy was certainly not a painless one for western countries, you could apply your exact logic to the events of the French revolution, and they still ended up a democracy.
> The old testament isn't imprinted in law in the UK, Europe or north America
And yet there was a point in time when it heavily influenced the law, and was such a cultural norm that it may as well have been a law. But we grew out of it. Culture changed and those primitive beliefs were lost. We've seen that Muslim countries can do this too, with them allowing women more rights and giving their people more access to information (the internet). Honestly, you just seem quite pessimistic, arguing that Muslim culture cannot be changed for the better. But we've seen that it can.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 14 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,987
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> > Why do you want to know what I'll do? How is it relevant to the discussion? It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it and you or someone would twist what I would say and go "hurr durr racist bigot, you don't think like me so you're a racist, go back to Nazi Germany"
> Because if you think your insight is right, then surely you think you have the correct solution. Tell me, why are you afraid of being labelled a bigot for your proposed solution? Do you not have complete confidence in it? If it's right, then what others think shouldn't matter.
Yeah, you're right. I don't have any confidence in it. The hole thing is a very complicated issue. And why should I have a "proposed solution" What give you the idea I have a final solution that I believe is 100% right? I'm not you, I don't believe I have an answer to everything.
> > Why is democracy the final solution? The goal to be reached for? The more peaceful/safe Muslim countries do not have a democracy or do you think the west should bring democracy to them too?
> You don't think that a system where every citizen has a vote and equal rights is the optimum goal? And just look at the most successful, forward-thinking countries. Notice a trend?
Because something works for one culture doesn't mean it'll work for everyone else. I'm not saying they shouldn't have democracy but I'm also not saying they should.
No, I do not see the same trend you do.
What Muslim culture has changed for the better? It's actually getting worse, there was a time you could draw the prophet Muhammad, now you'll be stoned for it. You don't need to just use the drawing of a prophet to prove a point, there are others I could go on about like the guy who tweeted that he wants to shake the hand of Muhammad, he now faces death.
> > Why do you want to know what I'll do? How is it relevant to the discussion? It's totally irrelevant since I don't have the power to fix it and you or someone would twist what I would say and go "hurr durr racist bigot, you don't think like me so you're a racist, go back to Nazi Germany"
> Because if you think your insight is right, then surely you think you have the correct solution. Tell me, why are you afraid of being labelled a bigot for your proposed solution? Do you not have complete confidence in it? If it's right, then what others think shouldn't matter.
Yeah, you're right. I don't have any confidence in it. The hole thing is a very complicated issue. And why should I have a "proposed solution" What give you the idea I have a final solution that I believe is 100% right? I'm not you, I don't believe I have an answer to everything.
> > Why is democracy the final solution? The goal to be reached for? The more peaceful/safe Muslim countries do not have a democracy or do you think the west should bring democracy to them too?
> You don't think that a system where every citizen has a vote and equal rights is the optimum goal? And just look at the most successful, forward-thinking countries. Notice a trend?
Because something works for one culture doesn't mean it'll work for everyone else. I'm not saying they shouldn't have democracy but I'm also not saying they should.
No, I do not see the same trend you do.
What Muslim culture has changed for the better? It's actually getting worse, there was a time you could draw the prophet Muhammad, now you'll be stoned for it. You don't need to just use the drawing of a prophet to prove a point, there are others I could go on about like the guy who tweeted that he wants to shake the hand of Muhammad, he now faces death.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,992
@previous (H)
> Yeah, you're right. I don't have any confidence in it. The hole thing is a very complicated issue. And why should I have a "proposed solution" What give you the idea I have a final solution that I believe is 100% right? I'm not you, I don't believe I have an answer to everything.
I've never said I have an answer to everything, just that I view the approach I'm backing as as the most ideal, beneficial one, with some good historical precedence to it. Also, you are debating my solution of not meeting bigotry with bigotry and instead education. Therefore, this implies that you have an improved solution? If you know what the "wrong" solution looks like, surely you can suggest a better one?
> Because something works for one culture doesn't mean it'll work for everyone else. I'm not saying they shouldn't have democracy but I'm also not saying they should.
Why not? Europe also had a fairly wide variety of cultures, yet all gravitated towards democracy. What's more, Japan, a very non-culture, eventually became a democracy. And again, we're seeing lots of revolutions in the Middle East demanding democracy, demanding the vote. Clear evidence that they too want to move towards democracy.
> No, I do not see the same trend you do.
The majority are democracies.
> What Muslim culture has changed for the better?
More rights for women, more freedom of information, more interaction with other countries, more call for democracy.
And still, Christianity had a fucking brutal history too. Torture, pogroms, crusades, the Spanish Inquisition. And yet it was grown out of. This shows that just because a relgion is bad doesn't mean that it cannot improve.
And, as I said earlier, culture is the real driving force. Religion can and is cherry-picked as culture changes. You don't see too many Christians sacrificing pidgeons when a woman has her period. And some Christians these days even want equal rights for gays, completely disregarding what the bible says about that.
> Yeah, you're right. I don't have any confidence in it. The hole thing is a very complicated issue. And why should I have a "proposed solution" What give you the idea I have a final solution that I believe is 100% right? I'm not you, I don't believe I have an answer to everything.
I've never said I have an answer to everything, just that I view the approach I'm backing as as the most ideal, beneficial one, with some good historical precedence to it. Also, you are debating my solution of not meeting bigotry with bigotry and instead education. Therefore, this implies that you have an improved solution? If you know what the "wrong" solution looks like, surely you can suggest a better one?
> Because something works for one culture doesn't mean it'll work for everyone else. I'm not saying they shouldn't have democracy but I'm also not saying they should.
Why not? Europe also had a fairly wide variety of cultures, yet all gravitated towards democracy. What's more, Japan, a very non-culture, eventually became a democracy. And again, we're seeing lots of revolutions in the Middle East demanding democracy, demanding the vote. Clear evidence that they too want to move towards democracy.
> No, I do not see the same trend you do.
The majority are democracies.
> What Muslim culture has changed for the better?
More rights for women, more freedom of information, more interaction with other countries, more call for democracy.
And still, Christianity had a fucking brutal history too. Torture, pogroms, crusades, the Spanish Inquisition. And yet it was grown out of. This shows that just because a relgion is bad doesn't mean that it cannot improve.
And, as I said earlier, culture is the real driving force. Religion can and is cherry-picked as culture changes. You don't see too many Christians sacrificing pidgeons when a woman has her period. And some Christians these days even want equal rights for gays, completely disregarding what the bible says about that.
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Green !BEERiVqJJw replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,994
TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,995
@436,992 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> And some Christians these days even want equal rights for gays, completely disregarding what the bible says about that.
Well, it is easier to dismiss the Old Testament calling homosexuality an abomination because it is the Old Testament; in Islam it's not so easy. I'm glad there are liberal elements emerging, though as it is they receive almost no support from other Muslims.
@436,957 (H)
> Really? They kicked out a dictator, voted in a radical muslim who once in power took on the role of a dictator
In their defence, the other option was Army-backed Ahmad Shafik. They had little choice.
> And some Christians these days even want equal rights for gays, completely disregarding what the bible says about that.
Well, it is easier to dismiss the Old Testament calling homosexuality an abomination because it is the Old Testament; in Islam it's not so easy. I'm glad there are liberal elements emerging, though as it is they receive almost no support from other Muslims.
@436,957 (H)
> Really? They kicked out a dictator, voted in a radical muslim who once in power took on the role of a dictator
In their defence, the other option was Army-backed Ahmad Shafik. They had little choice.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,996
@previous (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
> I'm glad there are liberal elements emerging, though as it is they receive almost no support from other Muslims.
True, but this is how liberal elelments often emerge. Unpopular and percieved as radical at first, but slowly gaining in popularity. Hopefully, this trend will happen here too.
> I'm glad there are liberal elements emerging, though as it is they receive almost no support from other Muslims.
True, but this is how liberal elelments often emerge. Unpopular and percieved as radical at first, but slowly gaining in popularity. Hopefully, this trend will happen here too.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #436,997
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> True, but this is how extreme elelments often emerge. Unpopular and percieved as radical at first, but slowly gaining in popularity. This trend will happen here too.
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> True, but this is how extreme elelments often emerge. Unpopular and percieved as radical at first, but slowly gaining in popularity. This trend will happen here too.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #437,001
@previous (H)
You can say this about western countries too. More extreme fundies have emerged, yet they don't necessarily influence the whole. Their dominance is not inevitable.
Also you can't just disregard progressives just because extremists exist too. Hell, I remember reading an article a while ago that Al-Quada is viewed as "the wrong crowd" by many Muslims these days. And you don't know for sure that they will radicalise instead of become more progressive, hence why I said "hopefully".
You can say this about western countries too. More extreme fundies have emerged, yet they don't necessarily influence the whole. Their dominance is not inevitable.
Also you can't just disregard progressives just because extremists exist too. Hell, I remember reading an article a while ago that Al-Quada is viewed as "the wrong crowd" by many Muslims these days. And you don't know for sure that they will radicalise instead of become more progressive, hence why I said "hopefully".
kook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #437,004
@436,942 (H)
Yeah I have heard that Sweden is having problems concerning gang rape involving Muslims and Ethiopians
Yeah I have heard that Sweden is having problems concerning gang rape involving Muslims and Ethiopians
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #437,006
@436,992 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Some has changed for the worse. I saw a documentary about how free Afghanistan was in the 80's compared to now, and it was shocking
Some has changed for the worse. I saw a documentary about how free Afghanistan was in the 80's compared to now, and it was shocking
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ triple-posted this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #437,008
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 25 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #437,009
@437,006 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Hippies from the 60s would go to Afghanistan to smoke weed and the poppy. Then the Russians came.
Hippies from the 60s would go to Afghanistan to smoke weed and the poppy. Then the Russians came.
Anonymous H double-posted this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #437,010
@437,008 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
A number of things really, woman are viewed as an under class where as men are highly rated, men outnumber women and treated as objects hence your child brides to 40 year old men. In some Muslim countries you can still kidnap your wife. It's just a very masculine culture with too much faith in old books and the ramblings of old preachers. Unlike Jewish or Christian faith you don't need special training or higher authority approval to be a preacher
A number of things really, woman are viewed as an under class where as men are highly rated, men outnumber women and treated as objects hence your child brides to 40 year old men. In some Muslim countries you can still kidnap your wife. It's just a very masculine culture with too much faith in old books and the ramblings of old preachers. Unlike Jewish or Christian faith you don't need special training or higher authority approval to be a preacher
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Anonymous H triple-posted this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #437,014
@previous (H)
To add more. I don't think rape is as a big deal to them as it is to us. If the victim is to blame as they often are then it's just brushed aside, the husband or the victims family can also be to blame for not protecting the girl
To add more. I don't think rape is as a big deal to them as it is to us. If the victim is to blame as they often are then it's just brushed aside, the husband or the victims family can also be to blame for not protecting the girl
Phonecompanyconversation replied with this 13 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #437,033
I support NAMBLA, guys. Stop being anti-pedophile...
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #437,035
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 43 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #437,037
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #437,038
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I'd say they both play a role. Obviously it's kinda hard to seperate the two, since they're a very relgious culture, but you won't find much respect for women in either of them I'd wager. Though like I said, there has been some progress in the culture at least.
@437,006 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Hopefully it'll improve long-term. Extremists are actively being fought over there, after all.
I'd say they both play a role. Obviously it's kinda hard to seperate the two, since they're a very relgious culture, but you won't find much respect for women in either of them I'd wager. Though like I said, there has been some progress in the culture at least.
@437,006 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Hopefully it'll improve long-term. Extremists are actively being fought over there, after all.