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Topic: UK court confirms it's criminal sex-by-deception to fail to inform partner that you're transsexual

beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao started this discussion 13 years ago #28,926

Interesting case, the full decision is here.

(Edited 2 minutes later.)

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later[^] [v] #425,435

That's right, imo.

TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,438

I agree with this.

Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 41 seconds later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,439

Sounds reasonable.

Dodongo !ZQvsveEcD6 joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,441

Seems fair.

Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 15 seconds later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,442

@425,435 (B)
That's not what your mom said when I was sucking her penis.

Syntax joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,443

Yep the good ole Bait n Switch game.

Made for a good read however I must say I like the way its headed.

Between:
JUSTINE McNALLY

Appellant
- and -

THE QUEEN

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,444

> guy fingers and orally pleasures transgirl
> declines oral sex with transgirl
> later claims he was raped

Sounds like he was very much in control the entire time.
Is he getting revenge on the poor girl because they later had a falling out?

TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,445

> appellant (then 19 years of age)
> appellant (who was born on 19 April 2004)
...

TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs double-posted this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,446

@425,444 (H)
No, M is a girl who met with "Scott" (a girl who identified to M as a boy); M is the complainant.

Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,447

@425,444 (H)
Buyers remorse over bait n switch.

Anonymous F replied with this 13 years ago, 31 seconds later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,448

@425,445 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
Wouldn't that make him 15?

TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,450

@previous (F)
No, it would him 9.

I presume they meant 1994?

Sen !q/sOExraek joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #425,452

Whoa, what the fuck. Not telling somebody your biological sex is somehow worse than not telling them that you have HIV?

Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,454

@previous (Sen !q/sOExraek)

One fucks up the body and the other fucks up a persons head.

Mental Trauma can fuck up a human body something terrible.

Anonymous F replied with this 13 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,455

@425,450 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
It's 2019 so that would make him 15. Thanks.

TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,457

@425,452 (Sen !q/sOExraek)
No, but not telling someone you have HIV won't invalidate consent. That doesn't mean it's OK to do so, of course, and people have been charged with GBH for infecting partners with HIV.

TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs double-posted this 13 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,458

@425,455 (F)
It's still 2013 in Britain, in fact!

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,459

@previous (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
Check your dog and bone.

Sen !q/sOExraek replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,461

@425,454 (Syntax)
I dunno, I'm not seeing the mental trauma part of this. Of course, it's better to be honest with a sexual partner, but in my opinion, as long as the dude legitimately identified as a dude, no crime was committed.

Sen !q/sOExraek double-posted this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,463

@425,457 (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
It makes a little more sense that it's still illegal to not tell a partner you have HIV. I guess I'm just not understanding the justification behind saying that gender invalidates consent while other important factors do not. It seems a little like they're just picking and choosing randomly.

Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,466

@previous (Sen !q/sOExraek)
I suspect you wood be pissed off IF for instance you bought a pie labeled Apple and it turned out to be Squash.

There are many cases of Men dressing up as women and then going on the troll for Men. Cases where when the guy finds out the Chick has a dick the Chick with dick is beaten up to a pulp.

I think when you Consent to buy the apple pie, you expect it to be Apple and not Squash.

Meta !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,469

@OP
I disagree with the ruling. Once you begin having consensual sex with someone, then you have accepted them as suitable and you accept all liabilities resulting from the sexual act.

Like if a man has sex with a woman who tells him she is on the pill, and it turns out nine months later that she lied, the man has no legal recourse and will still have to pay child support.

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TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs replied with this 13 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,470

@425,463 (Sen !q/sOExraek)
I think things like gender are more fundamental to a person's decision to consent than, say, your partner's wealth or marital status.

(Edited 23 seconds later.)

Sen !q/sOExraek replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,471

@425,466 (Syntax)
If the squash believed it was an apple, I certainly wouldn't sue it or beat it to a pulp.

I'll respond with another analogy. Let's say there's a man who lost all his genitals in a horrible skiing accident. He still sees himself as a man even though he doesn't have the parts. He gets a girlfriend. The girlfriend is under the impression that he has a penis. They have oral sex. Is that a criminal offense? I wouldn't see it as such.

@previous (TTEH !JXsxEkDBLs)
Well, then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

(Edited 55 seconds later.)

Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #425,472

@previous (Sen !q/sOExraek)

> Let's say there's a man who lost all his genitals in a horrible skiing accident. He still sees himself as a man even though he doesn't have the parts. He gets a girlfriend. The girlfriend is under the impression that he has a penis. They have oral sex. Is that a criminal offense? I wouldn't see it as such.


In that case the Guy is a Male who is missing a part he was born with. Not pretending to be anything but a Male - He should inform his partner that PART of Him in Missing and WHY

I think the major difference which in my view is criminal - A straight guy does not want to end up kissing a Guy - Same for a straight girl who wants to kiss a guy but could be deceived.

Even a full total Docs Sex change does NOT change the DNA. So full disclosure is still required.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 7 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #425,543

@previous (Syntax)
I agree.

Triptych !IupsXZPnnU joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 25 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #425,545

I don't know how much I agree with this. If you're looking for a relationship, then by all means you should tell them. But legislating a one night stand? It's not like they have HIV

squeegee joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #425,933

> having to be told.

Green replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #425,934

Prude Christian Fucks.
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