!KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 7 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,261
> Mentally-ill Swedish trannies
It's strange how you decided it was that when according to the article it was "The local chapter of the Left Party, a socialist and feminist political party, in Sormland County Council"
> ban cis-men from peeing while standing
It's strange how you decided that they have been banned from peeing while standing when according to the article its a proposal by a person to aid in his vision of unisex bathrooms in the local council building
then again this is just a cynical topic designed to get kook to come in and be bigoted and then have someone argue with her for 200+ posts so you can get your replies per topic stat up or something so hey whatever
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,265
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
true unisex bathrooms would have urinals as well as commodes
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,268
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
true unisex bathrooms would have a single drainage hole in the floor and nothing else
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,270
@previous (E)
True unisex bathrooms would have a single drainage hole leading to your mum's mouth.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,275
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,279
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
don't call my mom a pit
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,281
@422,174 (kook !!32zdfdzi+) > then again this is just a cynical topic designed to get kook to come in and be bigoted and then have someone argue with her for 200+ posts so you can get your replies per topic stat up or something so hey whatever
lol'd
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 42 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,282
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 14 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,283
@422,281 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Of course you'd sympathize with the trannies. They're mentally ill just like the down syndrome babies you support.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,285
@422,265 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I'd argue urinals aren't strictly necessary since men can pee standing up into a toilet just fine.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 26 seconds later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,286
@422,283 (HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY)
Walter, you've lost that debate twice now. I'm not going to argue about it with you again just because you enjoy it!
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,288
@422,285 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
maybe male and female urinals should be available. I'd like t see that
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 43 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,301
@422,286 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
No, I didn't. You're the one that wants to let insane mothers give birth to defective children.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,302
@422,288 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
But then it gets too complex. You have toilets, male urinals, and female urinals. If you have all toilets, on the other hand, both sexes can use them for either excretory function.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 19 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,305
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
But why is complexity even an issue? Otherwise, urinals would have never existed in the first place
HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 33 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,307
Why not piss in sink?????????????
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 7 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,333
@422,302 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
You have female urinals?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,334
@422,301 (HaikerensGuide !dBGi/iH4eY)
I'm sorry Walt, I'm just not feeling it. It was kinda fun pulling your flimsy logic apart the first two times, but I feel like a third would be overdoing it, you know?
Try something else instead. Maybe you could go around saying that all gays should be put into straight camps? I would be vehemently against that.
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Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,341
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Do you not think transgenders are mentally ill?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,342
@previous (B)
Not exactly. Their brain makeup merely differs to that of the norm. It is technically classified as a disorder, which is itself classified as a "functional abnormality".
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 49 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,343
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I think I'd agree with that.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,344
That would be distressing and uncomfortable for both the women having to walk in on men at urinals and for the men at the urinals. We already have a strict set of rules about how to behave when it's just men around, it would feel 1000x more uncomfortable with women, especially if a woman decides she is curious. Would be even more uncomfortable for the women though. All toilets affords everyone privacy.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#422,368
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,407
That's some penis envy.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,426
@422,333 (B)
Yes, I always keep one on hand in case a radical feminist wants to pee standing up (sitting down to pee is a sign of submission to, and subjugation by, the patriarchy).
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 39 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,430
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 42 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,431
@422,426 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
I'd applaud someone who could manage that
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,433
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Could you imagine carrying around so much porcelain all the time? On a side note: have you ever seen a female urinal in real life?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 24 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,436
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
I've seen one, plus a bidet in a bar
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,446
We must also ban tampons, as only one sex uses them.
squeegee !first/o5zA joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 47 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,456
@422,426 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
interestingly enough on sunday i happened to hear news coverage about how the Swedish are trying to ban peeing standing up, because peeing sitting down promotes men's health.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,478
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,510
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
yes because they dont care about gender neutral toilets at all
Triptych !IupsXZPnnU joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#422,511
I'd pee standing up if I could.
I'd pee my name into the snow. All the time.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,535
@422,456 (squeegee !first/o5zA)
That's insane. Certainly the extra wear and tear on your back and legs would cancel out any benefits. I really cannot believe these people used to be pillaging, conquering Vikings.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,536
@422,436 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Kook, what is your opinion on female urinals.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 46 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,544
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,607
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
But he's right, they're not mentioned anywhere in the article. They're not the issue at hand.
And you are being bigoted. You try to make huge generalisations about transexuals, and believe that just in being a transexual, a person is automatically some crazed militant.
And I just don't understand it, you're so progressive on other issues. You call out the Catholic church on what they're doing in Africa, and tirelessly advocate equality for women.
squeegee !first/o5zA replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,631
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx) > and tirelessly advocate equality for women. > equality for women > women > men > equality for men > and tirelessly advocate equality for men.
yeah, kook, why you so mad?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,632
@previous (squeegee !first/o5zA)
Wait, are you criticising part of what I said? I don't understand.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,655
@422,607 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Of course they arent mentioned. Do you actually think that tons of bio women want to use restrooms with men? Seriously? Who do you think is pushing for gender neutral bathrooms?
Also, this isnt about equality. Its about removing urinals because they make some people uncomfortable
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#422,656
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Yes, clearly it must be the transexual menace. Those schemers! Only they could possibly hold such insidious views!
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,658
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 11 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,662
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
But who was behind him? Why would a man want gender neutral bathrooms and to spread the lie that peeing standing up hurts men's health? Transwomen are also males. That's the point.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 20 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,666
Why is it, that no one in this thread is bothered that they are using false science to ban urinating standing up?
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 44 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,667
The proposition is for men to sit when in the toilets, not for there to be gender-neutral toilets. Did you even read the article?
> So who benefits from 9/11? The Illuminati.
Fuck off.
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,669
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
They named health reasons! I read the whole article and he specifically mentioned wanting bathrooms to become gender neutral.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 30 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,670
@422,667 (!KThEOwLwbU)
Who benefits from gender neutral bathrooms, ash? Who exactly?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ triple-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,672
Health reasons
According to the Local, supporters of the proposal say sitting while urinating is more hygienic and promotes sanitary restroom habit for male users. It will help to eliminate the problem of puddles on the floor and spray stains on toilet seats. They also argue that urinating while sitting will help to promote male health because it allows men to empty their bladder more effectively. Sitting while urinating according to advocates will reduce prostate problems among men.
Gender neutrality
The Left Party's Viggo Hansen, who made the proposal, said that ultimately he wants office toilets in the council to be genderless and would thus like to see only "sit-down" toilets in county council offices.
squeegee joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 22 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,673
@422,670 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Eunuchs primarily I would imagine. Where are they supposed to go?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,674
@previous (squeegee)
lol Seriously though. Who encounters urine in mens bathrooms besides men and transwomen?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,676
Tell me Ash. who exactly would benefit from gender neutral bathrooms, and what would be this benefit?
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,677
@422,672 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Well, you know, as a man who uses toilets daily, I for one am also tired of pee splattered walls, disgusting stains, the smell of urine and the puddles.
You ladies don't know what it's like to have to roll up your cuffs and tuck your shoelaces under the tongue just to take a piss. I notice womens restrooms don't have the same problems with standing urine and stains 3 feet up the wall.
Maybe sitting down to piss is more hygenic and would make for cleaner restrooms. I'm all for it, tear down the urinals and make all bathrooms unisex stalls!
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,678
Whats interesting is that this topic on scatchan elicited the response of "Oh women are emasculating men again" while on here its "We dont even need urinals, they are too complicated!" Why is that?
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 43 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,679
@422,677 (squeegee)
But I have been told multiple times that its very sexist to assume that women are more clean in the restroom than men
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,680
Kook, you really are coming off like some crazed extremist here. You pretty much literally said "the transexuals are behind this", like they're some evil, shadowy organisation.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,681
I would. Wouldn't have to lift a piss-stained toilet seat with my shoe before going to the bathroom.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,682
@422,680 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Who exactly, would benefit from gender neutral bathrooms?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,683
@422,681 (!KThEOwLwbU)
Of course you would lol If I had made such a comment, you would have called me sexist for implying that men are dirtier than women.
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ triple-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,684
So are all of you going to start sitting when you piss?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,685
@422,682 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Why exactly do you think that only a transexual could advocate this?
The thing with your posts, is that you could easily swap out "transexual" with "black" or "gay". You're just trying to demonise a minority.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 37 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,688
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Why would anyone else want a gender neutral bathroom? How exactly could I put black people in to this subject and have it make any sense at all?
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,690
@422,679 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Sure, let's ignore all empirical evidence just to be PC
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,691
I've accidentally been in the women's bathroom before (on one occasion I didn't realise until I was actually in the stall because I wasn't paying attention) and they're always much cleaner. I'm pleasantly surprised when I go into the men's public bathrooms and it's actually clean. I think "wow, this place sure is swanky".
And lots of people want unisex bathrooms.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,695
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
wow I've been called a sexist for saying the same thing. Lots of people might want a seperate unisex bathroom, but not all facilities to be unisex.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,700
@422,688 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Perhaps they like the idea of genders being less divided? They don't need to be transexuals to want this.
When I said "your posts" I meant in a broader sense (should've clarified this), like where you say that all transexuals are some sort of organised group with an agenda, or that just being transexual will make a person behave in a negative manner. Transexuals could so easily be swapped out for another minority that's faced discrimination, when this sort of reasoning is applied.
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!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 55 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,703
I was watching a Rhett and Link webisode where they were talking about going to a media production place with a unisex bathroom, and how later on they went back and the stalls had been designated 'men' 'women' because of the problem of men pissing all over the seats and floor. So this rule that men must be seated in council bathrooms would make sense, although it's obviously not at all enforceable. One would hope that people would be decent enough to follow the rule so as not to inconvenience others, but then again if people were like that there wouldn't be puddles of urine all over the place anyway. I remember going to a club once and someone had taken a sloppy shit on the seat of the only toilet and just left it there. My friend drank too much and had to put up with it when he went in to vomit.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,712
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU) > because of the problem of men pissing all over the seats
What is up with this? This used to be a common occurrence at my college. Like, if you went into any stall there was a 50% chance that there would be piss on the seat. Goddamn idiots.
Though it seems to have improved quite a bit now that I'm in the higher education building. Odds are only about 20%, there.
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,713
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Do you want to go into higher ed?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,715
@previous (B)
I'm already in it, hence my presence in the higher education building!
I'm pretty sure that higher education is the term, anyway. I think that further education just means choosing to go to college.
beckyderp !8ElfFaoFao replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,716
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Oh derp, I get it now. I thought you meant like, a program that trains administrators in higher ed.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 5 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,739
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 7 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,758
@422,703 (!KThEOwLwbU)
The problem of disgusting bathrooms has nothing to do with men versus women. There are more than a few women who'll piss on seats because they don't want to sit and they can't be bothered to lift and lower the seat.
The problem is the classic tragedy of the commons we find in all public goods. With private property, the user is ultimately responsible for upkeep. With public property, maintenance and cleanup is always someone else's problem, so there's absolutely no incentive to be responsible beyond personal ego tripping.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,759
@previous (H) > there's absolutely no incentive to be responsible beyond personal ego tripping.
There's also, you know, common courtesy. The realisation that "other people will be using this, I probably shouldn't cover it in urine."
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,760
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Common courtesy is a form of ego tripping. It's just a way for one person to think they're better than another. In fact, without assholes the very idea of common courtesy would have no value whatsoever.
Restroom users are already being courteous by pissing in a designated location rather than just anywhere. Why is this not enough?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#422,763
@previous (H)
Or, they're just being unselfish. There's nothing egotistical about merely keeping the feelings of others in mind.