Topic: Why Firefox is superior to any other browser.
Anonymous A started this discussion 13 years ago #27,500
Some troll bait here.Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 45 seconds later[^] [v] #411,476
Should've posted:
tumbleweed.png :')
tumbleweed.png :')
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 8 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #411,480
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #411,482
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 19 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,666
I've been using the Opera Web browser as my main navigator for well over a decade. Ever since I first tried it, it felt radically different in speed and general usability compared to the sluggish, feature-poor browsers available at the time. It had tabs and various little things long before Firefox and the rest copied it.
At that time, it cost money to register. It did have a free version, but it forced you to stare at a banner. Even so, I felt that it was superior to the others in enough ways to continue using it.
For years, every single minor release felt like a little Christmas in the same way that any software you use heavily and really like gets you excited about any improvements. Because this was really the case back then: each update actually made it better. Just as it should be.
At some point, I guess they got sick of having such an extremely small market share and changed their business model. They started giving their product away and financed it not with direct banners shown as part of the user interface but instead through special deals with various search engines, essentially adding a little "referrer" parameter to any search query you made through the special search field, which would give Opera a share of the ad profits later.
This (perceived) change in mindset from producing a solid, high-quality product toward making something attractive and shiny and ever "new" to the drooling masses is what pushed Opera into transforming their product into something far worse than it would and should have been today. I'm not saying that it's actually worse at rendering pages or noticably slower now than before, or that there haven't been any welcome additions and improvements in the last years; it's just gradually been made more and more obnoxious in a very disturbing manner. (Simply running an old version of Opera or any other Internet-facing software would be completely insane for several good reasons, security and compatibility being two of them.)
One by one, they added superficial, unnecessary, pointless "features" such as "widgets", the crappy BitTorrent client, or "Opera Unite", while neglecting sensible things such as actually updating the IRC client or generally polishing the interface and deciding on some things once and for all. They keep changing the user interface around randomly and adding really stupid crap like the "Google this" cancer in the context menu, replacing the "Copy text" item, causing me to make about 500 searches by mistake before muscle memory kicked in and taught my hand to not pick the first item.
As of late, not even the "find on page" feature works correctly (randomly). This is of course extremely serious and annoying. It truly makes you wonder what's going when something like that is broken.
Honestly, for the last few years, I've dreaded each update of Opera rather than looking forward to them. Each little change seems to do its best to hammer another nail into the coffin. Just as a small example, guess what the main features of version 11.60 (last stable at the time of writing) were?
Anything you type into the address bar is now automatically sent to Google's servers without your consent or informing you about this in any way (so that they can give "suggestions" back). Realizing that this is done is not obvious, and turning it off once you find out about it is not straight-forward. Gradual changes have led up to this keylogger; it at least only used to do this if you started your string with "g ", indicating that you actually want to search for something and that you want to use the Google engine.
It's no longer possible to check for new mail. Seriously. The button just doesn't do a thing with this update. You have to wait for 5 minutes or whatever you have set up to automatically poll/fetch the mail server. One would think that a bug like this would be spotted and fixed almost immediately and never make it to the finished "stable" product.
A total crapification of the mail client interface; some things have been changed around randomly in a messy and tasteless fashion. You can turn it back to (almost) how it used to be relatively easily, but the defaults mean a lot.
I'm sad that they eventually went down the "extensions" route, inspired by Firefox; I was always happy that they provided me with the useful things built-in, in a non-bloated, efficient manner, rather than forcing me to trust some random nobody who has made a third-party add-on.
I almost get the feeling that Opera has outsourced most or all of the development of their product to some $1/hour Indian sweatshop. It's like they have completely forgotten what used to make them unique and great. Opera, I don't want you to look like every other piece of shit out there. I picked you because you were unique, fast and had useful features not found anywhere else.
While I might continue using it until it becomes completely unusable, it is no longer possible for me to recommend it to others as I used to. The amount of fine-tuning (changing insane defaults and whatnot) and removing stupid junk from a default installation of Opera today is way too much trouble to be worth it.
The Opera developers might spend a lot of time improving their JavaScript and CSS engines to make it faster in rendering all the horribly misconstructed Web sites out there, but what good is that when the interface and the soul of the product is almost entirely gone at this point?
It's almost as if it gives some of the authors of great things some kind of perverse satisfaction to completely destroy their work once it's gained fans. This is probably not the case, but I seriously wonder sometimes.
At that time, it cost money to register. It did have a free version, but it forced you to stare at a banner. Even so, I felt that it was superior to the others in enough ways to continue using it.
For years, every single minor release felt like a little Christmas in the same way that any software you use heavily and really like gets you excited about any improvements. Because this was really the case back then: each update actually made it better. Just as it should be.
At some point, I guess they got sick of having such an extremely small market share and changed their business model. They started giving their product away and financed it not with direct banners shown as part of the user interface but instead through special deals with various search engines, essentially adding a little "referrer" parameter to any search query you made through the special search field, which would give Opera a share of the ad profits later.
This (perceived) change in mindset from producing a solid, high-quality product toward making something attractive and shiny and ever "new" to the drooling masses is what pushed Opera into transforming their product into something far worse than it would and should have been today. I'm not saying that it's actually worse at rendering pages or noticably slower now than before, or that there haven't been any welcome additions and improvements in the last years; it's just gradually been made more and more obnoxious in a very disturbing manner. (Simply running an old version of Opera or any other Internet-facing software would be completely insane for several good reasons, security and compatibility being two of them.)
One by one, they added superficial, unnecessary, pointless "features" such as "widgets", the crappy BitTorrent client, or "Opera Unite", while neglecting sensible things such as actually updating the IRC client or generally polishing the interface and deciding on some things once and for all. They keep changing the user interface around randomly and adding really stupid crap like the "Google this" cancer in the context menu, replacing the "Copy text" item, causing me to make about 500 searches by mistake before muscle memory kicked in and taught my hand to not pick the first item.
As of late, not even the "find on page" feature works correctly (randomly). This is of course extremely serious and annoying. It truly makes you wonder what's going when something like that is broken.
Honestly, for the last few years, I've dreaded each update of Opera rather than looking forward to them. Each little change seems to do its best to hammer another nail into the coffin. Just as a small example, guess what the main features of version 11.60 (last stable at the time of writing) were?
Anything you type into the address bar is now automatically sent to Google's servers without your consent or informing you about this in any way (so that they can give "suggestions" back). Realizing that this is done is not obvious, and turning it off once you find out about it is not straight-forward. Gradual changes have led up to this keylogger; it at least only used to do this if you started your string with "g ", indicating that you actually want to search for something and that you want to use the Google engine.
It's no longer possible to check for new mail. Seriously. The button just doesn't do a thing with this update. You have to wait for 5 minutes or whatever you have set up to automatically poll/fetch the mail server. One would think that a bug like this would be spotted and fixed almost immediately and never make it to the finished "stable" product.
A total crapification of the mail client interface; some things have been changed around randomly in a messy and tasteless fashion. You can turn it back to (almost) how it used to be relatively easily, but the defaults mean a lot.
I'm sad that they eventually went down the "extensions" route, inspired by Firefox; I was always happy that they provided me with the useful things built-in, in a non-bloated, efficient manner, rather than forcing me to trust some random nobody who has made a third-party add-on.
I almost get the feeling that Opera has outsourced most or all of the development of their product to some $1/hour Indian sweatshop. It's like they have completely forgotten what used to make them unique and great. Opera, I don't want you to look like every other piece of shit out there. I picked you because you were unique, fast and had useful features not found anywhere else.
While I might continue using it until it becomes completely unusable, it is no longer possible for me to recommend it to others as I used to. The amount of fine-tuning (changing insane defaults and whatnot) and removing stupid junk from a default installation of Opera today is way too much trouble to be worth it.
The Opera developers might spend a lot of time improving their JavaScript and CSS engines to make it faster in rendering all the horribly misconstructed Web sites out there, but what good is that when the interface and the soul of the product is almost entirely gone at this point?
It's almost as if it gives some of the authors of great things some kind of perverse satisfaction to completely destroy their work once it's gained fans. This is probably not the case, but I seriously wonder sometimes.
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 38 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,680
Chrome wins in speed and fluidity, by a little bit. Firefox wins in customization and stability, by a little bit.
It's all the same shit. Pick what works for you.
It's all the same shit. Pick what works for you.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 26 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,689
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. replied with this 13 years ago, 22 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,694
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 26 seconds later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,695
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,698
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 42 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,712
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,713
@411,695 (E)
Nah.
@411,698 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I've been using Chrome for a little bit now and it seems really damn identical, except slightly better speed and slightly worse memory usage.
I think I got the Adblock to work though. It didn't seem to auto-subscribe to any blocking lists so i had to add them manually.
So now it's pretty much the same as my Firefox except less screen space and no irc add-on.
Nah.
@411,698 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I've been using Chrome for a little bit now and it seems really damn identical, except slightly better speed and slightly worse memory usage.
I think I got the Adblock to work though. It didn't seem to auto-subscribe to any blocking lists so i had to add them manually.
So now it's pretty much the same as my Firefox except less screen space and no irc add-on.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,714
@411,698 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom works fine. Haven't seen an ad in forever.
@previous (Fox !FXYGNx1XR.)
You need to tick like one or two checkboxes, yeah. Except you missed one glaring point, and that is that chrome is simply better.
https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock/gighmmpiobklfepjocnamgkkbiglidom works fine. Haven't seen an ad in forever.
@previous (Fox !FXYGNx1XR.)
You need to tick like one or two checkboxes, yeah. Except you missed one glaring point, and that is that chrome is simply better.
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,715
@previous (E)
No, Safari is the best, then Opera, then IE6.
But Chrome and FF are pretty much equal.
No, Safari is the best, then Opera, then IE6.
But Chrome and FF are pretty much equal.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,716
@previous (Fox !FXYGNx1XR.)
safari
> apple/macfags
opera
> cant get with the times with their own rendering system so instead will use chrome's
IE6
> bitch please
safari
> apple/macfags
opera
> cant get with the times with their own rendering system so instead will use chrome's
IE6
> bitch please
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. replied with this 13 years ago, 52 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,721
@previous (E)
IE6 had like 96% market share for a reason, that reason being --prepackaging of IE and no viable alternatives circa 2002-- pure, uncut quality.
Check your privilege, Chromescum.
IE6 had like 96% market share for a reason, that reason being --prepackaging of IE and no viable alternatives circa 2002-- pure, uncut quality.
Check your privilege, Chromescum.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 44 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,722
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. replied with this 13 years ago, 24 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,734
@previous (E)
and chrome hasn't gotten a 96% market by being --prepackaged and forced onto people-- super ultra quality.
and chrome hasn't gotten a 96% market by being --prepackaged and forced onto people-- super ultra quality.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,737
@411,721 (Fox !FXYGNx1XR.)
> prepackaged
> forced
wat
Surely the issue is that lots of peole just weren't computer smart enough to seek out alternative browsers?
> prepackaged
> forced
wat
Surely the issue is that lots of peole just weren't computer smart enough to seek out alternative browsers?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #411,738
I can't seriously believe that nobody here is compiling their own browser. Like Chromium.
