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Topic: Daily Mail bullies transgender woman into suicide

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q started this discussion 13 years ago #26,589

The offending article

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/22/transgender-teacher-found-dead-accrington
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/mar/22/lucy-meadows-press-harassment

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Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 57 minutes later[^] [v] #401,844

They probably don't even care. In fact, they'll appreciate the controversy. More publicity for their shitty tabloid.

doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #401,845

They want traffic which you are currently generating!

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #401,846

@previous (doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ)
Give the traffic to the Guardian then.

Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #401,847

@401,845 (doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ)
lol dw why do you always say this

minichan's membership visiting is not going to make any difference to them

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Do you perceive the Guardian as communist?

(Edited 17 seconds later.)

doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #401,849

@previous (B)
and minichan is obviously the only placce where this is posted

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #401,851

@401,847 (B)
It comes off as a run-of-the-mill center-left newspaper.

Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #401,854

@401,849 (doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ)
yes

so we're just a drop in the ocean then

doesn't matter if we abstain or not

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Do you like it? It's got quite a following over here, generally being seen as the "intellectual" newspaper. But personally, I've got my criticisms of it.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #401,855

@previous (B)
I do prefer to post the NPR or BBC, but it's a good newspaper.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 20 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #401,864

Thats horrible. It was probably a mistake to return to the same school.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,897

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
lol
> that's horrible!
> says the same kind of thing that drove her to suicide
ok, kook

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,905

@previous (E)
What? That's just being sensible.

Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 19 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,910

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Not returning to your job is more sensible than… keeping a job? In what way is it more sensible to usher her into leaving town? shut the fuck up, kook

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,912

@previous (E)
Everyone had already seen her there as a man. Right or not, it was bound to cause a scandal. Though I don't see the point in a newspaper picking up that kind of story. I mean, its not like it was a spontaneous miracle or something, just a gender change.

Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,919

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
No, it wasn't 'bound to cause a scandal'. The school was understanding and supportive and the students could have learned from the situation so that situations like these maybe won't be such an issue. She isn't the one who should be taking action out of consideration for other people's comfort.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,924

@previous (E)
It isnt about who should do what. People should be nice to everyone. Evidently, some of the parents got all upset, and some contacted newspapers. Which I think was unnecessary and bullying, but not surprising. This happens to gay people as well, because we live in an ugly society.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,931

@401,919 (E)
Btw, I have no problem with trans people being teachers and what not. I also think that she deserved her privacy, and that putting her in newspapers was evil, and possibly criminal.

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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,982

Why bully tranny?

Anonymous D replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #401,984

@previous (F)
Tranny is supposed to be a mean word.

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #402,008

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/transgender-primary-school-teacher-who-took-own-life-had-sought-protection-from-media-hounding-before-her-death-8546468.html

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #402,010

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Oh lord, that must have been awful for her, and the students.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #402,013

@402,008 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I found the original article.

http://www.capitalbay.com/mobile/mobile/uk/285339-nathan-upton-s-not-only-in-the-wrong-body-he-s-in-the-wrong-job.html

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #402,015

@402,010 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I know. It would be hard to know that my teacher just up and killed herself due to being harassed by the Daily Fail.

Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,336

> the school was ‘proud of our commitment to equality and diversity among our staff and children’.
diversity is codeword for degeneracy

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,339

@previous (G)
Is transsexuality perverted?

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,347

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Yes.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,349

@previous (G)
Why? Also, sup Mountainman.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,365

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
> alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,367

@previous (G)
Oh so you didnt mean morally perverted? Because even cutting your hair is an alteration.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,482

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
> to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 5 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,513

@previous (G)
So is a haircut, right?

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,518

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
> equivocating cutting your hair to cutting off your genitals
wow!

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,543

@previous (G)
Its not an alteration? Dont many Christians and Jews cut off the foreskin? Another alteration?

squeegee !first/o5zA joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #402,545

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
foreskin doesn't... grow back

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 54 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,554

@previous (squeegee !first/o5zA)
I realize that, but its still an alteration. So is inside out penis surgery.

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Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,563

@402,543 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Only infidels or heretics would mutilate their child's genitalia

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,564

@previous (G)
Or Jews, or Christians.

Handel !tYHPZ2dvu6 joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,566

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

You obviously missed the sarcasm there.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,568

@previous (Handel !tYHPZ2dvu6)
Yes. Yes I did.

!KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 30 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,575

@401,912 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

If one treats something as if one should be ashamed of it, attitudes will never change.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,577

@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
At first it wasnt treated as if it was shameful, and it still blew up. Safety is more important than making a stand, imo.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,580

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

It only blew up because of press paying money to parents to get pictures, and seeking out bigoted parents (a minority) who had a problem. Did you see that picture of Wayne in the DM article? He's like a stereotype of everything you imagine an English racist to be. When he smokes, it's almost certainly around his children instead of outside, and he probably votes BNP and hates pakis.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,583

@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
Yes, it blew up because of offended parents. I agree. Even when the school did not treat it as if it were shameful, the parents were still offended.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,585

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

The offended parents would have had no effect on their own. Probably all they would do is insult her in private, and teach their son or daughter to hate people who are different. The catalyst that caused this was a newspaper that wanted to exploit the outrage to write sensational headlines that people who read the Daily Mail would want to read. I always find the way that people always have a fascination with the things they don't like. For example, I do not really care for guns but when I go to America in the summer I will get to hold one for the first time in my life and I am actually kind of looking forward to it, to see what it's like.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,588

@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
They could have picketed, they could have made blogs, they could have done any number of things.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,592

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

Does Wayne look intelligent enough to do any of those things? I've known a lot of Waynes and they would not picket or make blogs. At most they would go beat up or kill the teacher if they got drunk enough.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 34 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,599

@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
lol I have no idea. I'd imagine he'd do something stupid and illegal like vandalism, or over the phone death threats.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,628

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

I know what made me laugh the most. Wayne's face is like as Waj's "confused face" in Four Lions.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,630

@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
I must have missed that.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 28 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,634

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

There are 2 things you could have missed. Which?

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,635

@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
Waynes face, and Waj's confused face.

!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,650

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)

Wayne's face is in the DM article, and Waj's face is in the movie Four Lions which is very funny.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,735

@402,564 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Jews are infidels, only heretical Christians circumcize.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 51 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,736

@previous (G)
lol I really dont care. Its all bullshit anyway.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,741

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Oh, so this was just another topic you like to pontificate about that you don't actually know anything about? What a surprise...

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 27 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,742

@previous (G)
You forgot to call me a retard.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,810

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Goes without saying, really.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,820

@previous (G)
Zing. Than why do you repeat it every time that you feel threatened?

Zem !Sz/ZC04vmg joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,822

Externally hosted image@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Have we had this exact thread before?

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #402,833

@402,820 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I never feel threatened by you?

Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 day later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,149

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9946687/18-year-old-woman-masqueraded-as-boy-to-get-girl-into-bed.html

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,150

@402,833 (G)
liar

kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 36 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,151

@403,149 (L)
Yeah I saw that. Besides the underage thing, everyone who tries this should be prosecuted for fraud.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 7 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,308

@403,150 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
you're not threatening hey

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 25 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,315

@previous (G)
Whatever you say MM. Maybe when you resort to insults during a debate, its just you showing us god's love.

(Edited 12 seconds later.)

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,319

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
should i call your retarded arguments clever? what else can be said? if honesty must be compromised why even discuss?

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,322

@previous (G)
zing. Always a pleasure.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 44 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,329

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
i cant say the same
its often painful

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,332

@previous (G)
I believe you. You definitely get worked up over these things.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,362

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
that there are stupid people i can handle
i have stupid friends

stupid people who think they are clever are the worst

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,363

@previous (G)
this

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 11 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,434

@403,362 (G)
you feel like the cock of the walk.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 8 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,582

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Don't tell me how I feel.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,587

@previous (G)
I just did. You've been all cocky after you got away with grooming that girl.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 35 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,601

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I've never groomed anyone. Thanks.

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,604

@previous (G)
That girl that you gave all those rides, and special presents to. Remember? You said that she made you feel like the creepy man from Lolita.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,607

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I've never even read Lolita, or watched the movie

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,608

@previous (G)
Weird, because you made a post saying that your little friend made you feel like the creepy man from the book, and movie.

Anonymous G replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #403,609

@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
WEIRD!

HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 days later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #404,710

@previous (G)
Fuck off.

Makes fun of poorfags joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #404,713

@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
> $111.00

kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #404,765

@404,710 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
the conversation involved jump as well, but I cant find it.
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