Topic: Holy crap. Adam Lanza (Sandy Hooke shooter) was a video game nutter.
Anonymous A started this discussion 13 years ago #26,474
http://kotaku.com/5991082/report-police-consider-sandy-hook-shooter-a-deranged-gamer-who-tried-to-outscore-other-killers
Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza maintained a spreadsheet filled with information from mass killings from the past and further alleges that it's a major sign of how video games influenced the mindset and planning of Lanza's terrible act of lethal violence, according to a front page story in today's New York Daily News.
A law enforcement source who spoke to the Daily News says Lanza's spreadsheet, which allegedly measures 7 feet by 4 feet, contained information on the weapons various killers used and the number of people killed. They say it amounted to a grisly high score list, one that Lanza wanted to wind up on top of:
"They don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet," the newspaper's source continued. "This was the work of a video gamer, and that it was his intent to put his own name at the very top of that list. They believe that he picked an elementary school because he felt it was a point of least resistance, where he could rack up the greatest number of kills. That's what (the Connecticut police) believe."
he existence of the spreadsheet came to light during the International Association of Police Chiefs and Colonels conference, which the News' source had attended. Col. Danny Stebbins from the Connecticut State Police spoke at the law enforcement convention and his presentation talked about how the state's police community are tying together this spreadsheet to Lanza's obsession with video games. The Daily News report named no specific games that Lanza may have played, which is standard in mainstream news reports.
"It really was like he was lost in one of his own sick games," the paper's source went on. "That's what we heard. That he learned something from his game that you learn in (police) school, about how if you're moving from room to room - the way he was in that school - you have to reload before you get to the next room. Maybe he has a 30-round magazine clip, and he's only used half of it. But he's willing to dump 15 rounds and have a new clip before he arrives in the next room."
The source says that Lanza's methods in the shooting were: "Classic police training. Or something you learn playing kill games."
Lanza is described not as a typical gamer but as a deranged one: "They believe that (Lanza) believed that it was the way to pick up the easiest points. It's why he didn't want to be killed by law enforcement. In the code of a gamer, even a deranged gamer like this little bastard, if somebody else kills you, they get your points. They believe that's why he killed himself."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lupica-lanza-plotted-massacre-years-article-1.1291408#ixzz2Nu16yQMT
Sandy Hook shooter Adam Lanza maintained a spreadsheet filled with information from mass killings from the past and further alleges that it's a major sign of how video games influenced the mindset and planning of Lanza's terrible act of lethal violence, according to a front page story in today's New York Daily News.
A law enforcement source who spoke to the Daily News says Lanza's spreadsheet, which allegedly measures 7 feet by 4 feet, contained information on the weapons various killers used and the number of people killed. They say it amounted to a grisly high score list, one that Lanza wanted to wind up on top of:
"They don't believe this was just a spreadsheet. They believe it was a score sheet," the newspaper's source continued. "This was the work of a video gamer, and that it was his intent to put his own name at the very top of that list. They believe that he picked an elementary school because he felt it was a point of least resistance, where he could rack up the greatest number of kills. That's what (the Connecticut police) believe."
he existence of the spreadsheet came to light during the International Association of Police Chiefs and Colonels conference, which the News' source had attended. Col. Danny Stebbins from the Connecticut State Police spoke at the law enforcement convention and his presentation talked about how the state's police community are tying together this spreadsheet to Lanza's obsession with video games. The Daily News report named no specific games that Lanza may have played, which is standard in mainstream news reports.
"It really was like he was lost in one of his own sick games," the paper's source went on. "That's what we heard. That he learned something from his game that you learn in (police) school, about how if you're moving from room to room - the way he was in that school - you have to reload before you get to the next room. Maybe he has a 30-round magazine clip, and he's only used half of it. But he's willing to dump 15 rounds and have a new clip before he arrives in the next room."
The source says that Lanza's methods in the shooting were: "Classic police training. Or something you learn playing kill games."
Lanza is described not as a typical gamer but as a deranged one: "They believe that (Lanza) believed that it was the way to pick up the easiest points. It's why he didn't want to be killed by law enforcement. In the code of a gamer, even a deranged gamer like this little bastard, if somebody else kills you, they get your points. They believe that's why he killed himself."
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/lupica-lanza-plotted-massacre-years-article-1.1291408#ixzz2Nu16yQMT
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #399,870
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“They have pictures from two years before, with the guy all strapped with weapons, posing with a pistol to his head. That’s the thing you have to understand: He had this laid out for years before.
“He didn’t snap that day, he wasn’t one of those guys who was mad as hell and wasn’t going to take it anymore,†the man said. “He had been planning this thing forever. In the end, it was just a perfect storm: These guns, one of them an AR-15, in the hands of a violent, insane gamer. It was like porn to a rapist. They feed on it until they go out and say, enough of the video screen. Now I’m actually going to be a hunter.â€
“They have pictures from two years before, with the guy all strapped with weapons, posing with a pistol to his head. That’s the thing you have to understand: He had this laid out for years before.
“He didn’t snap that day, he wasn’t one of those guys who was mad as hell and wasn’t going to take it anymore,†the man said. “He had been planning this thing forever. In the end, it was just a perfect storm: These guns, one of them an AR-15, in the hands of a violent, insane gamer. It was like porn to a rapist. They feed on it until they go out and say, enough of the video screen. Now I’m actually going to be a hunter.â€
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #399,871
!KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 40 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #399,875
> It was like porn to a rapist. They feed on it until they go out and say, enough of the video screen. Now I’m actually going to be a hunter.
Is that how it really happens
Is that how it really happens
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #399,879
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
idk, lol But those types do tend to glut on their fantasies, until it gets to be too much, and they act out.
idk, lol But those types do tend to glut on their fantasies, until it gets to be too much, and they act out.
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!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #399,880
@previous (A)
Would you say that someone with rape fantasies with no access to porn is less likely to be a rapist, compared to someone with rape fantasies and access to porn?
Would you say that someone with rape fantasies with no access to porn is less likely to be a rapist, compared to someone with rape fantasies and access to porn?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #399,881
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
Not necessarily. Because I think that most would be rapists and murderers would find some way to indulge their fantasies, even without the help of porn. Though, I do think that some porno encourages the idea that women should be denigrated, or treated like an animal during sex. That probably doesnt help.
Not necessarily. Because I think that most would be rapists and murderers would find some way to indulge their fantasies, even without the help of porn. Though, I do think that some porno encourages the idea that women should be denigrated, or treated like an animal during sex. That probably doesnt help.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #399,883
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,888
Leftist propaganda.
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Stop being dumb, Cathy.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,904
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oh, okay
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,943
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 47 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,948
@previous (A)
I don't believe that it's a video game high score sheet and that he killed himself because otherwise the copper would acquire his points.
I don't believe that it's a video game high score sheet and that he killed himself because otherwise the copper would acquire his points.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,949
Meta !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 15 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,955
@OP
The spreadsheet is creepy, but calling it a "high score list" and saying it was inspired by videogames is just retarded. Which video game features a seven foot wide spreadsheet? Or is Microsoft Excel a video game now? Will the next Grand Theft Auto let you make an Access database of the prostitutes you kill and cars that you've stolen?
The spreadsheet is creepy, but calling it a "high score list" and saying it was inspired by videogames is just retarded. Which video game features a seven foot wide spreadsheet? Or is Microsoft Excel a video game now? Will the next Grand Theft Auto let you make an Access database of the prostitutes you kill and cars that you've stolen?
Meta !PARAdoxiHw double-posted this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,956
> "That's what we heard. That he learned something from his game that you learn in (police) school, about how if you're moving from room to room - the way he was in that school - you have to reload before you get to the next room. Maybe he has a 30-round magazine clip, and he's only used half of it. But he's willing to dump 15 rounds and have a new clip before he arrives in the next room."
They didn't even name the game! This is a whole new level of sensationalism. Now games are teaching advanced police tatics? LOL
This is no different than saying playing Gran Turismo on Playstation will teach you how to race cars in real life.
They didn't even name the game! This is a whole new level of sensationalism. Now games are teaching advanced police tatics? LOL
This is no different than saying playing Gran Turismo on Playstation will teach you how to race cars in real life.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,957
@399,955 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
We haven't seen all of the info yet. Maybe they will reveal his writings, and it'll show more of a link to video games. Also, some video games do have spread sheets, that allow you to rank the attributes of fighters and weapons.
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
We haven't seen all of the info yet. Maybe they will reveal his writings, and it'll show more of a link to video games. Also, some video games do have spread sheets, that allow you to rank the attributes of fighters and weapons.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,962
@399,949 (A)
Because the concept of doing more things than everyone else existed before video games. Also the "he killed himself to preserve his points" thing is just stupid. Also most FPS games just let you reload from a pool of ammunition, the only one I can remember where reloading with half a clip wastes rounds is ARMA
Because the concept of doing more things than everyone else existed before video games. Also the "he killed himself to preserve his points" thing is just stupid. Also most FPS games just let you reload from a pool of ammunition, the only one I can remember where reloading with half a clip wastes rounds is ARMA
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 14 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,963
What I see in this is an unwillingness to confront Adam Lanza himself and what made him crazy. It's all been making excuses for him. "It was the video games" or "it was the AR-15". It's easier to point the blame at inanimate objects.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 52 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,964
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,966
@399,962 (!KThEOwLwbU)
> Also the "he killed himself to preserve his points" thing is just stupid.
Lolthis. In every FPS game I've played, if you suicide it subtracts from your score. Japanese Samurai would commit a seppuku ritualized suicide when there was no chance of victory. Maybe Adam Lanza was inspired by Japanese concepts of honor and samurai culture?
> Also the "he killed himself to preserve his points" thing is just stupid.
Lolthis. In every FPS game I've played, if you suicide it subtracts from your score. Japanese Samurai would commit a seppuku ritualized suicide when there was no chance of victory. Maybe Adam Lanza was inspired by Japanese concepts of honor and samurai culture?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,967
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,972
@previous (A)
If we continue the video game analogy, he decidedly was not playing co-op. He committed suicide so he wouldn't be punished.
@399,964 (A)
> How do you confront craziness?
You have to figure out what the root cause is. Guns, and video games with high scores have existed for a very long time. I know people hate the "guns don't kill people" cliche but it is true. Instead of blaming Lanza's acts on guns and video games, people should try to figure out why he killed a bunch of kids.
If we continue the video game analogy, he decidedly was not playing co-op. He committed suicide so he wouldn't be punished.
@399,964 (A)
> How do you confront craziness?
You have to figure out what the root cause is. Guns, and video games with high scores have existed for a very long time. I know people hate the "guns don't kill people" cliche but it is true. Instead of blaming Lanza's acts on guns and video games, people should try to figure out why he killed a bunch of kids.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,973
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
He might have been playing co op with the voices in his head or other school shooters.
this article didnt say that video games caused his mental illness, just that he was obsessed with them. In his own notes, he said that he picked an elementary school, because there would be less resistance and he would get a higher score/body count. Also, he was obsessed with Anders Brevik, and wanted to top his numbers.
He might have been playing co op with the voices in his head or other school shooters.
this article didnt say that video games caused his mental illness, just that he was obsessed with them. In his own notes, he said that he picked an elementary school, because there would be less resistance and he would get a higher score/body count. Also, he was obsessed with Anders Brevik, and wanted to top his numbers.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 16 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,987
@previous (A)
> He might have been playing co op with the voices in his head or other school shooters.
I guess that it's not impossible for a crazy man to communicate with the spirits of Klebold, Harris, Brevik, et al. But it seems like he would have been competing against them for the dubious honor of the highest kill count.
> this article didnt say that video games caused his mental illness, just that he was obsessed with them. In his own notes, he said that he picked an elementary school, because there would be less resistance and he would get a higher score/body count. Also, he was obsessed with Anders Brevik, and wanted to top his numbers.
All of my late teen and 20-something male friends could be described as "obsessed with video games", especially violent ones. It's not unusual for a 20-odd year old man to play video games a lot nowadays, so I don't see that as being anything worth noting. I see it, rather, as a distraction from the true cause of his craziness.
> He might have been playing co op with the voices in his head or other school shooters.
I guess that it's not impossible for a crazy man to communicate with the spirits of Klebold, Harris, Brevik, et al. But it seems like he would have been competing against them for the dubious honor of the highest kill count.
> this article didnt say that video games caused his mental illness, just that he was obsessed with them. In his own notes, he said that he picked an elementary school, because there would be less resistance and he would get a higher score/body count. Also, he was obsessed with Anders Brevik, and wanted to top his numbers.
All of my late teen and 20-something male friends could be described as "obsessed with video games", especially violent ones. It's not unusual for a 20-odd year old man to play video games a lot nowadays, so I don't see that as being anything worth noting. I see it, rather, as a distraction from the true cause of his craziness.
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doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 13 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #399,997
> kotaku
Anonymous F replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,000
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,003
doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,004
i also want to say that points dont matter in games since the atari 2600. thanks
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,007
@previous (doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ)
I wonder if Adam Lanza was the kind of person who would put their initials as SEX or ASS on arcade high scores.
I wonder if Adam Lanza was the kind of person who would put their initials as SEX or ASS on arcade high scores.
doctor law md !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,010
m0 !m0hRvUNigg joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,013
I would have loved to end his streak
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,017
@400,003 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)Oh fuck. I didn't even know it was coming. I would have posted Derpy otherwise. :(
Still, insulting Kotaku is an okay dedication for it.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 13 years ago, 14 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,026
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,031
@399,987 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Your version of obsessed might not be the same as his. They said that he spent all of his time writing wordy video game manifestos, and death.
Your version of obsessed might not be the same as his. They said that he spent all of his time writing wordy video game manifestos, and death.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 25 seconds later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,034
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,038
@previous (A)
Sensationalist. Over-opinioned. Sometimes they simply post stupid crap.
One time I saw an article on there demanding the removal of English dubs from Japanese games. Seriously.
Sensationalist. Over-opinioned. Sometimes they simply post stupid crap.
One time I saw an article on there demanding the removal of English dubs from Japanese games. Seriously.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,047
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Why dont they like dubs? Do you know of better video game sites?
Why dont they like dubs? Do you know of better video game sites?
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #400,055
@previous (A)
He was arguing that the English VAs weren't very good. Fair enough, but you think he'd you know, just demand better English VAs instead of no English VAs at all. Fuck.
> Do you know of better video game sites?
I mostly just go to the Escapist for vidya news, it's good enough.
He was arguing that the English VAs weren't very good. Fair enough, but you think he'd you know, just demand better English VAs instead of no English VAs at all. Fuck.
> Do you know of better video game sites?
I mostly just go to the Escapist for vidya news, it's good enough.