Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 51 minutes later[^][v]#398,234
Hmm?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#398,248
@previous (B)
What I mean to say is, when you have a mental condition, telling the doctor you don't want to take the pills causes all kinds of problems. However, filling your prescriptions and simply throwing the pills in the trash while acting as if you take them will cause your doctor to notice all kinds of radical improvements. Seems the placebo effect is a two way street.
beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ replied with this 13 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#398,250
@previous (A)
Because psychiatrists aren't real doctors and they make everything up. :-)
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#398,251
Maybe you should take your pills
beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ replied with this 13 years ago, 38 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#398,252
Anonymous C double-posted this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#398,256
We once had a guy who didn't take his pills one day, and it snowballed into him not taking them for a week. He was constantly screaming curse words, hitting staff and other residents, grabbing staff members private parts, and it took three people to change him. There was nothing that we could do. Well one day, we had a small electrical fire in the kitchen. When the firefighters showed up, he took a swing at one of them! Its a federal offense and they hauled his ass off, shackled to a stretcher, everyone was relieved and we had a party the next day.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,287
@op
what kind of pills?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 41 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,327
@398,250 (beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ)
Oh hey, I didn't know that you were a scientologist!
@398,248 (A)
Why don't you want to try and get better?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,330
@previous (E)
Better is a subjective. I feel better sans pills.
You meant to ask, why don't you try to subordinate and conform?
beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,332
@398,327 (E)
A lot of psych medications have awful side effects and questionable efficacy anyway. Strait jackets are kinder than some of them.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,334
@previous (beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ)
But a lot of them work, and keep people sane. There's a lot of peope with schizophrenia, for just one example, that can live perfectly normal lives with medication. Yes they have problems, but they do a lot of good too.
@398,330 (A)
And yet mental health experts disagree... What first brought you to them?
There's nothing conformist about having good mental health. It doesn't automatically make you into some mindless drone, you'll still be an individual.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 17 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,336
That's the whole problem with medicine right there. Doctors refuse to acknowledge the patient has a superior viewpoint with regard to their own experiences and feelings.
> What first brought you to them?
I wanted adderall to play vidya better.
> There's nothing conformist about having good mental health. It doesn't automatically make you into some mindless drone, you'll still be an individual.
You've never taken any, have you?
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,338
@previous (A) > That's the whole problem with medicine right there. Doctors refuse to acknowledge the patient has a superior viewpoint with regard to their own experiences and feelings.
In fairness, you can also argue that the patient loses objectivity. It can go both ways.
> I wanted adderall to play vidya better.
That's all? You tried to get some drugs for video games? I suppose that in itself could be evidence of mental health issues. Don't know you, so I can't say for definite.
> You've never taken any, have you?
No, but I trust that the guys who are paid to research and practice this know what they're doing.
Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,339
My friend had a whirlwind romance with a schizophrenic man, who was very nice when he was medicated. They married, and he loved her two children. Well, he had stopped taking his meds without telling her. One day she was at work, and when she got home, she want to check on her two year old, and her husband said, oh don't worry, she's sleeping. Turns out he had beat the child half to death. She had to have a shunt put in her neck, and the child is permanently retarded. It was all over the news.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 32 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,347
@previous (C)
That's terrible. Why'd he stop taking the meds?
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Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 56 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,349
@previous (E)
We never found that out. he beat the child's head flat.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 17 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,582
> In fairness, you can also argue that the patient loses objectivity. It can go both ways.
Doctor's lose objectivity all the time. Once they've labeled your problem, everything becomes about proving themselves right. Show me one Doctor who can say plainly they delivered a misdiagnoses. They wont even do it in court when mountains of evidence make the truth obvious.
> That's all? You tried to get some drugs for video games? I suppose that in itself could be evidence of mental health
issues. Don't know you, so I can't say for definite.
Glad to see your concern is with not knowing me rather than with whether or not you yourself are qualified to render a mental health diagnosis. Unwarranted self-importance much? Also, I was sort of joking.
> No, but I trust that the guys who are paid to research and practice this know what they're doing.
And people trusted Hitler. Your point?
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Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 23 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#398,583
@previous (A) > Doctor's lose objectivity all the time. Once they've labeled your problem, everything becomes about proving themselves right. Show me one Doctor who can say plainly they delivered a misdiagnoses. They wont even do it in court when mountains of evidence make the truth obvious.
And what of the Doctors who get it right, who correctly diagnose patients and help them recover?
Mental health can be a difficult thing to gauge. Doctors may make mistakes but this does not change the fact that they're needed.
> Glad to see your concern is with not knowing me rather than with whether or not you yourself are qualified to render a mental health diagnosis. Unwarranted self-importance much? Also, I was sort of joking.
I never said that I was qualified... The fact that I don't know your personally adds to this.
> And people trusted Hitler. Your point?
Really? You're comparing doctors to Hitler? That's a little funny.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,584
The fact that OP sees his illness as a "superior viewpoint" just proves that the doctors are correct. He's clearly delusional, and I'm guessing it's schizophrenia he's refusing to treat. He's lying to his doctor about his symptoms which is why his doctor thinks he's getting better and then he uses this to confirm his idea that he doesn't need meds.
This is coming from someone who sees mental health professionals 2 or 3 times per month. Drugs are supposed to change your behavior and the way you feel. That's the whole point. That doesn't make you a zombie. There's a subtle difference between conforming to society and being able to function in society. If you're trying to get ADHD meds to pay video games better, you're probably not functioning well in society and you should work with your health professionals to change your behavior. There's nothing superior about your problems.
Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,588
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,595
@398,584 (F)
The superior viewpoint refers to the fact I'm inside my own body.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,596
@previous (A)
That doesn't necessarily make your viewpoint superior. Would a hallucinating person have a better viewpoint than somebody who wasn't hallucinating?
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beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,597
@previous (E)
OP's doctor thinks he's getting better when he's not taking pills, which he attributes to the pills. What about this makes you think the doctor has a superior insight into OP's mental health?
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Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,598
@previous (beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ) > OP's doctor thinks he's getting better when he's not taking pills, which he attributes to the pills.
Because the OP is pretending he's better when he's around his doctor...
beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,599
Psychiatry is a fake science made up so that foreigners and people who almost failed out of med school have something to do all day. I think it's nice that OP is willing to help them make a living.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,600
@previous (beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ) > Not what OP said, actually. @398,248 (A) > while acting as if you take them
> Psychiatry is a fake science made up so that foreigners and people who almost failed out of med school have something to do all day. I think it's nice that OP is willing to help them make a living.
lol'd. You sound like a fucking scientologist.
So what's your idea on mental health? Should we just hope that they get better on their own?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,628
> So what's your idea on mental health? Should we just hope that they get better on their own?
No, but I don't think current treatments are that much better. In particular, it's really troubling that doctors are so willing to disregard a patient's subjective experience of their treatment, so long as they are "compliant." Some of the atypicals and other antipsychotics can have horrific side effects and I don't blame patients for going off meds when they do, because people in the mental health field are so goddamn dismissive of their opinions. Note that the trend is to find more and more uses for these awful drugs, including with kids.
Even the way you talk to OP here - "don't you want to try and get better?" is your first response - and don't seem to care at all that his meds may well be crippling to him. Because a guy in a white coat says it's better. Even the drugs that can cause massive weight gain, permanent Parkinson's-like symptoms, diabetes, discomfort, death... hey, clearly the crazies just don't want to get better, right?
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Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 38 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,675
@previous (beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ)
Okay, I do agree that some of them could take patient's individual stories and issues into account more. Mistakes have been made in the past due to this.
Anyway, keep in mind that these guys have extensive research and studies backing them up. When they chose a treatment, they're basing it on those and their own extensive experience and training with mental health. With the way you talk about psychiatrists in @398,599, (beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ) you don't seem to acknowledge this. There's also the vast amount of people that are helped by psychiatrists and go on to lead healthy lives. Really, it's not all horror stories.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,716
@398,596 (E)
They'd certainty have a better view of the hallucination.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,733
Wood ceem2 me that a minor injection in the rite area of spine of a devolving enzyme from Papaya - stronger then normal wood render a person more easy to deal with long term.
Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 51 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,745
@previous (Syntax)
You'd have to have a pretty interesting doctor, for him to prescribe such things.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,777
Well I guess since Becky says psychology is a crock of shit, it must be. All mental illnesses are made up and psychiatrists, therapists, and counselors have no idea what they're talking about. Let's just throw away the DSM and forget all that shit. I'm sure if everyone in the country taking meds for mental illnesses just stopped society would suddenly get a lot better. It's not like any of it's based on science or anything. I mean, has anyone even seen the peer-reviewed journals, books, or FDA studies related to psychiatric medication? I bet people who go off their meds have a history of being really stable individuals.
Sometimes I wonder if you even hear yourself think, Becky. You'll attack anyone who says anything you don't like by sarcastically calling them "experts" and criticizing their knowledge on a subject, but then when real experts say things you don't like, you just brush off an entire field of science and medicine as bullshit. You've completely proven that no one should take you seriously.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,779
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,831
@398,777 (J)
The DSM once listed homosexuality as a mental illness, which I'd consider to be quite full of shit. It's also instructive as to the willingness of psychology to medicalize all manner of deviance from social expectations.
Anyways, the point I was making is shrinks are more concerned with whether or not you're doing as instructed than with whether or not you're actually experience any improvement. And when it's a mental health issue, you're opinion is essentially the opinion of a "crazy person" and altogether meaningless to them.
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squeegee joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 26 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,836
@previous (A)
Yeah, well medical doctors used to bleed people to balance their "humors," but that has little bearing on modern methods and beliefs.
Also if you're not doing as instructed then the doctor has no way of guaging improvement. So yeah, I'd worry as to whether or not you're taking meds. Also, you're right, crazy people aren't reliable. You can't believe what they say, you have to monitor behavior. You can say all day long you're well, but if your behavior is that of a paranoid schizophrenic then you're obviously not.
And need meds.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,838
@398,831 (A) > The DSM once listed homosexuality as a mental illness, which I'd consider to be quite full of shit. It's also instructive as to the willingness of psychology to medicalize all manner of deviance from social expectations.
No, sorry, it was in the DSM which is backed by extensive peer-reviewed research. The gay is a treatable psychiatric disorder. If you disagree you're a Scientologist. Thanks.
Honestly, though, there's essentially much no human behavior that can't be taken as evidence of an underlying psychiatric disorder. OP thinks he knows himself better than a psychiatrist he sees maybe once a week? Well he's clearly schizophrenic and narcissistic then.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 25 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,850
> Also if you're not doing as instructed then the doctor has no way of guaging improvement.
That's because you're lying to your doctor and refusing to give his treatment a chance...
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Really, psychiatrists aren't a bunch of naive fools making assumptions about people. Years and years of research. Extensive training and education. Clinical trials. They're goimg off of a very sound base of knowledge.
Also, all of your criticisms can levelled at medical doctors too. Different diseases can have different symptoms, and things that aren't symptoms can be twisted into symptoms (med student syndrome).
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,860
@previous (E) > Really, psychiatrists aren't a bunch of naive fools making assumptions about people. Years and years of research. Extensive training and education. Clinical trials. They're goimg off of a very sound base of knowledge.
"Years and years of research" doesn't mean much. There were years and years of research into eugenics and alchemy too. People were extensively trained and educated on how to perform lobotomies.
But that's not the point I was trying to make. The point is, anyone could go through the DSM and diagnose themselves with various mental disorders if they wanted to. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosenhan_experiment
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,868
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw) > "Years and years of research" doesn't mean much.
Yeah, you're right. We should just flush chemistry and physics too, while we're at it. Their years of research are meaningless, after all.
> There were years and years of research into eugenics and alchemy too.
Again, would you level this criticism at the traditional sciences? No? Why not? Because they're studying something valid and real, eugenics and alchemy were not. Human behaviour and the workings of the mind are very valid, real and beneficial areas of research.
> People were extensively trained and educated on how to perform lobotomies.
Neuroscience has advanced a bit since them.
> The point is, anyone could go through the DSM and diagnose themselves with various mental disorders if they wanted to.
This is an inherent problem with psychiatry. To make a diagnosis, a psychiatrist must examine the behaviour of a patient. So if a patient lies about their behaviour and changes it, it's hardly the fault of the psychiatrist for assuming good faith on the part of their patient.
And Rosenhan was a long time ago. Improvements were specifically made because of it. And to be fair, those researchers specifically set out to lie. People with real problems wouldn't do this, assuming they really wanted help.
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Anonymous E double-posted this 13 years ago, 33 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,881
To the detractors in this thread: if you developed early signs of a serious mental illness, say auditory hallucinations as an onset of schizophrenia, what would you do? Would you go to a mental health professional despite your misgivings?
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,883
@previous (E)
Depends on what the voices want. You don't know much about crazy, do you.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,885
@previous (squeegee)
Let's say that they're saying something concerning. Telling you to that you're worthless or should vote Republican, for example.
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Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,887
@398,850 (E) > Also, all of your criticisms can levelled at medical doctors too. Different diseases can have different symptoms, and things that aren't symptoms can be twisted into symptoms (med student syndrome).
If I went to a doctor falsely claiming to have a broken arm, would I be able to fool them for even five minutes? Now, a broken arm is fairly obvious, but if I went in claiming to have high blood pressure, or cancer, or diabetes, it would be possible to determine whether I do or do not. Furthermore, it's repeatable. If my blood pressure is 140/90 every doctor is going to tell me I have hypertension. It's not anything like that with psychiatry. Different psychiatrists will diagnose the same patient with different disorders. It's too subjective to be a medical science.
Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 25 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,893
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
If you went for a bad back, you could easily fool them.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 59 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,896
@398,887 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
Medicine isn't all definite symptoms like broken arms. How would you explain successful hypochondriacs? If it were all completely objective, there would be no such thing.
> Different psychiatrists will diagnose the same patient with different disorders. It's too subjective to be a medical science.
They're not flying blind. They have the DSM to go off of. There are guidelines and standards in place. Both of these are based off of extensive research, experiements, trials ect.
Quite often, those sorts of issues you mentioned arise when a psychiatrist does not examine a patient thoroughly enough or the patient lies or omits details. Your view that psychiatrists are just going on guesswork and perscribing whatever they feel like is, frankly, wrong. Lots of patients are helped by the meds and the therapy. What about them? aren't they proof that psychiatry is doing things right?
I'm perfectly happy to admit that behaviour can be a difficult thing to pin down (we can't see it or measure it properly) and that some psychiatrists should listen to their patients more. But this doesn't mean that we should just give up and not bother researching and treating it. Mental illnesses are real and we need to help people who have it.
Also, organ transplants were demonised once, but the problems they solved weren't any less real because of this.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 day later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#399,249
@398,836 (squeegee)
But crazy people are notoriously bad liars. That I can lie so convincingly demonstrates at least some ability to reason.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#399,250
@previous (A)
Well, they lie very well, when they believe the lies. Fanny will straight faced tell you that the tv people are convincing her to dump her juice everywhere.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 14 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,405
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
Yes, but I can also read medical studies such as the following which suggest my chances of relapse are no greater without medication than with.
So if the pills incur excess health and financial risks over and above that of abstinence, which they certainly do, where's the harm in taking a vacation from them if I feel normal and everyone around me perceives me to be sane?
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,510
@previous (A)
How would you know if you feel normal? Many people with mental illness feel normal.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,522
@previous (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
And how would a doctor know if I'm not normal? There are no objective indicators of mental illness short of behaviors, which necessarily have to occur before they can be observed. Aside from that, it's all subjective on both sides of the equation. Which is precisely why the doctor believes I'm taking my meds when in fact I'm not.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,526
@previous (A)
Because of patient reporting. You went to try and score pills, and made up symptoms. Also, crazy people can and will effectively, but just dont report bad side effects. A schizophrenic can tell a doc that they arent seeing visions any longer, because doctors arent mind readers.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 21 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,527
@399,522 (A)
How would you know if you arent normal?
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 9 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,528
@399,522 (A)
You're not really helping him to do a good job by lying to him. Why not tell him you feel better without the pills?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 59 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,530
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,535
@399,528 (E)
As I stated in the original post, that is a much more difficult and confrontational conversation. And it wouldn't be my first time to that particular rodeo.
It's apparently much easier for him to accept himself as a hero who saved me from myself rather than as the over educated self-important big pharma slave he actually is. I permit him to persist in this delusion as a necessary condition of maintaining my personal liberties.
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Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,538
If OP is sane enough to function without pills, then he's probably sane enough.
@kook
Also, it's not just that his psychiatrist said he was doing okay. His psychiatrist saw massive improvements when OP "took" his pills.
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kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 31 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,541
@399,535 (A)
No it wouldn't be. You could just change doctors and start over.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ double-posted this 13 years ago, 42 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,543
What symptoms did you lie about in the first place to even get a prescription?
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,547
@399,538 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw) > His psychiatrist saw massive improvements when OP "took" his pills.
Because OP is acting.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,550
@399,543 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
I didn't lie in the beginning. I'm bipolar for sure. With that I agree. I'm either depressed and unmotivated, or totally charged up and on top of the world. But according to them, I've also got ADHD and PTSD, which seems to me a crock of shit. But I do enjoy the vidya on adderall.
beckyderp !CATLDyPIBQ replied with this 13 years ago, 55 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,551
@previous (A)
Are there side effects to the bipolar meds that you dislike?
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,553
@399,550 (A)
So you have actual mental problems, went to a doctor for meds, lied, and then expected the doc to be psychic? wtf?
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,555
@399,550 (A)
Then speak up. Accept help for the bipolar but contest the ADHD and PTSD if you think you don't have them.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,558
@previous (E)
Again, been there done that. To him, it's noting more than the opinion of an uneducated crazy person who doesn't know better.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,559
@399,553 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
And you're still not getting it. People become Doctors to "save" people. Deny them this and they'll become your enemy faster than you can imagine.
kook !!32zdfdzi+ replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,563
@previous (A)
To help them. You arent hurting the doctor, but yourself. which is really stupid. The doc gets paid either way.
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,565
@399,559 (A)
That's a bit of a generalisation. Doctors aren't all self-righteous blockheads.
@399,558 (A)
Try appealing above him? There's likely a procedure in place for situations like this.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 42 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,586
@OP
What meds, specifically, have you been throwing away?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 14 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,851
@399,563 (kook !!32zdfdzi+)
How exactly do you know I'm hurting myself? Do you have any objective proof of that statement?
Do you not understand side effects can also hurt me?
Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,852
@previous (A)
You hurt yourself by paying money just to lie to the doctor, and ignore actual symptoms. No one forced you to do any of that. You seem very immature, and not smart at all.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 39 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,859
@previous (C)
I'm not some uninsured poorfag. I could give a shit about the money. It's worth the little bit I have to pay to "in the system" just in case I have a relapse and shit hits the fan some day. If I stop seeing the doctor altogether, than I have a whole extra level of risk when it comes time to be linked to care.
The unfortunate truth is the vast majority of mental health professionals have totally bought into the "patients must be medicated at all times" BS. Propaganda force fed to them by the drug companies no doubt. I simply don't agree and don't have the patience to argue. That's not enough to mean I wouldn't want a physician monitoring me.
What symptoms am I ignoring exactly? You accuse much, yet prove very little.
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Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#399,860
@previous (A)
How can you relapse when you claim to have no real symptoms? You've claimed to have problems, and when to the doctor just to lie. Thats incredibly stupid. How could a doctor possibly help a "relapse" when you lie to him, and also don't take your meds? If you dont believe in medication, why didnt you wise up and see a therapist? These odd choices do show that you have mental issues. I would say that you're a compulsive liar, with magical thinking, and a persecution complex.