Topic: First Transgendered MMA Fighter
Anonymous A started this discussion 13 years ago #26,332
Do you think Dana White might find this interesting?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/us/transgender-fighter/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/09/us/transgender-fighter/index.html
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 13 minutes later[^] [v] #397,553
a liar and fraud whose upper body strength as a male allowed him to dominate womens MMA fighting.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,558
I think she shouldn't be allowed to fight in the women's league because she transitioned as an adult and men have an inherent advantage over women in many athletic sports.
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 21 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,560
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,566
He has found a legal way to beat women
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,568
@397,560 (B)
It's an interesting dilemma though because now that she has female levels of testosterone, her muscles would be presumably somewhat less than that of a man but still more than a genetic woman which would make her unsuitable to compete in either men's or women's MMA. I guess maybe a third transsexual league? But then there probably wouldn't be enough transsexual people to make it work.
It is quite a conundrum.
It's an interesting dilemma though because now that she has female levels of testosterone, her muscles would be presumably somewhat less than that of a man but still more than a genetic woman which would make her unsuitable to compete in either men's or women's MMA. I guess maybe a third transsexual league? But then there probably wouldn't be enough transsexual people to make it work.
It is quite a conundrum.
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,571
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
She should still have to compete with the males. Testosterone or not, because she made this choice, not genetics.
She should still have to compete with the males. Testosterone or not, because she made this choice, not genetics.
Anonymous B double-posted this 13 years ago, 16 seconds later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,572
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 31 seconds later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,574
I smell a double standard.
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 15 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,583
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 58 seconds later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,584
@397,568 (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
How about the encouraged use of testosterone for genetic women so that all of the fights involve Chyna dolls?
How about the encouraged use of testosterone for genetic women so that all of the fights involve Chyna dolls?
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,586
@397,566 (D)
@397,572 (B)
That's being disingenuous. I don't think she went through all the expense and effort of transitioning and getting sexual reassignment surgery so she could "beat women".
@397,572 (B)
That's being disingenuous. I don't think she went through all the expense and effort of transitioning and getting sexual reassignment surgery so she could "beat women".
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,588
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
We know nothing of her mindset, nor does it matter. This has happened before, where they've disguised men as women, in order to make them a ringer.
We know nothing of her mindset, nor does it matter. This has happened before, where they've disguised men as women, in order to make them a ringer.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,590
@397,584 (A)
I was thinking about that. You said that testosterone shouldn't be important but I'd say a testosterone-enchanced Chyna vs the transwoman in the OP would be a more or less fair fight. I would certainly hope that the MMA organizations ban doping and steroids for both men and women.
I was thinking about that. You said that testosterone shouldn't be important but I'd say a testosterone-enchanced Chyna vs the transwoman in the OP would be a more or less fair fight. I would certainly hope that the MMA organizations ban doping and steroids for both men and women.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,591
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
When you say "testosterone-enhanced Chyna," I assume you mean when Chyna was wrestling not that plus more testosterone, right?
When you say "testosterone-enhanced Chyna," I assume you mean when Chyna was wrestling not that plus more testosterone, right?
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,592
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 48 seconds later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,593
ITT: cis scum discuss the enforcement of their privileges.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 58 seconds later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,594
Please tell me I'm not the only one who mistaken the one on the right for a man.She is apparently a genetic female.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,598
@397,591 (A)If I recall (and I don't follow wrestling so I could well be wrong), Chyna took anabolic steroids and/or estrogen blockers to gain more muscle than is "natural" for a woman to have. At any rate, a I think a woman who uses anabolic steroids (basically a form of testosterone) would be a comparable match against a man with female testosterone and estrogen levels in athletic events.
By "testosterone-enhanced Chyna", I mean more or less women like what you see to the left. Not necessarily Chyna specifically. I apologize for any confusion.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw double-posted this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,601
@397,592 (B)
It was my understanding that men and women are born more or less equal, and that the changes in skeletal shape and muscle mass take shape as they grow due to different hormones.
It was my understanding that men and women are born more or less equal, and that the changes in skeletal shape and muscle mass take shape as they grow due to different hormones.
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,603
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
If thats true, it still wouldn't matter because this individual transitioned late in life.
If thats true, it still wouldn't matter because this individual transitioned late in life.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,605
@previous (B)
Well obviously. How would you feel about a fight between a ripped steroid using woman like I posted a few minutes ago, and the transwoman in the OP?
Well obviously. How would you feel about a fight between a ripped steroid using woman like I posted a few minutes ago, and the transwoman in the OP?
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,619
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,621
@previous (B)
I think they should have a free-for-all league where anything (steroids, stimulants, sex changes, cyborg implants, anything) goes.
I think they should have a free-for-all league where anything (steroids, stimulants, sex changes, cyborg implants, anything) goes.
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,623
@previous (Meta !PARAdoxiHw)
I think that they should have a free for all version of most sports! Maybe even full contact soccer, and baseball.
I think that they should have a free for all version of most sports! Maybe even full contact soccer, and baseball.
Meta !PARAdoxiHw replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,625
@previous (B)
It would be neat because then athletes could stop trying to hide their doping and just do it in the open. There wouldn't even be drug tests to cheat.
It would be neat because then athletes could stop trying to hide their doping and just do it in the open. There wouldn't even be drug tests to cheat.
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Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,630
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 3 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,761
I wonder if Star Trek were still on the air today if they'd deal with the concept of transsexuality.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 13 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,875
If the other female fighters are just as masculine as she is, why is this even an issue?
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,877
@previous (A)
I dont even understand your comment. Define masculine please. Are you talking about appearance?
I dont even understand your comment. Define masculine please. Are you talking about appearance?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,878
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 16 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,879
@previous (A)
Because the bio women had to work much harder for those things. The born male (who transitioned late in life) already has the upper hand in regards to weight, and upper body strength.
Because the bio women had to work much harder for those things. The born male (who transitioned late in life) already has the upper hand in regards to weight, and upper body strength.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,880
Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,881
@previous (A)
You dont know if they are evenly matched. I believe that hard work is important, and that gives the male an advantage over the females, because it takes less effort to win. Thats probably why the male is winning everything.
You dont know if they are evenly matched. I believe that hard work is important, and that gives the male an advantage over the females, because it takes less effort to win. Thats probably why the male is winning everything.
Anonymous B double-posted this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,882
@397,880 (A)
Its kind of the same reason that steroids are illegal. It gives the other players an unfair advantage.
Its kind of the same reason that steroids are illegal. It gives the other players an unfair advantage.