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Topic: Student lead prayer bill passed in Mississippi
Anonymous A started this discussion 13 years ago#26,318
Quoted from article:
Let’s get this straight right now: Students are allowed to pray in school. No one has ever taken that right away from them. What public schools can’t do is force everyone to say a prayer over the loudspeaker, at a football game, at an assembly, etc.
So you have to wonder why Senate Bill 2633 (PDF) in Mississippi is even necessary. The bill, called the “Mississippi Student Religious Liberties Act of 2013,†would take those rights and then tack on a whole bunch of illegal methods of pushing religion in school.
To ensure that the school district does not discriminate against a student’s publicly stated voluntary expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, and to eliminate any actual or perceived affirmative school sponsorship or attribution to the district of a student’s expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, a school district shall adopt a policy, which must include the establishment of a limited public forum for student speakers at all school events at which a student is to publicly speak. The policy regarding the limited public forum must also require the school district to:
(a) Provide the forum in a manner that does not discriminate against a student’s voluntary expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, on an otherwise permissible subject;
(b) Provide a method, based on neutral criteria, for the selection of student speakers at school events and graduation ceremonies;
(c) Ensure that a student speaker does not engage in obscene, vulgar, offensively lewd or indecent speech; and
(d) State, in writing, orally, or both, that the student’s speech does not reflect the endorsement, sponsorship, position or expression of the district.
Here’s what that means in English: At football games, pep rallies, graduations, and morning announcements — anywhere where students speak — they must be allowed to pray. The school would have to offer a disclaimer that they’re not endorsing these views, but rather offering a “limited public forum.â€
Since Christians are in the majority in the state, this means students of minority faiths (and no faith) would be subject to hearing Christian prayers at just about all school functions.
Can you imagine having sit through a bunch of rambling evangelical kids, during school lunch? Mississippi currently has the highest teen pregnancy rate, they're the most obese state,they're already the most religious state, don't they have better things to focus their time on?
I think its strange that rednecks can be against allowing abortions but at the same time do not want to help support the women who are essentially forced into having children they would otherwise not have through taxes. its like, pick one or the other jeez.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 13 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#397,366
Time to have some imams come in and talk about how wonderful the Prophet Muhammad is at every sports game.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#397,368
@397,365 (!KThEOwLwbU)
I think that its more about controlling people through sex and sin, than anything else. Otherwise they would actually treat children like they're gifts from god, instead of just preaching it.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 20 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#397,369
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#397,624
@397,557 (A)
It's funny because he'll never answer this question.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#397,627
@397,615 (J)
I'm always expecting him to be the cause of the next pregnant nine year old. Because you know that asshole, doesnt know condoms.
(Edited 33 seconds later.)
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 16 seconds later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#397,628
@397,624 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Its his secret shame.
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,804
@397,502 (A) > let those gifts starve to death
but i don't, so that's a retarded thing to say
are you retarded?
Anonymous I double-posted this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,805
@397,557 (A) @397,624 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I'd gone as far as possible. When you just start asserting illogical stuff and think that is a valid form of argumentation it is time to leave
there is a difference between someone being wrong (it is worthwhile arguing) and someone being stupid (not worthwhile arguing) i can only judge this thread by thread because i dont know who anyone is
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 13 years ago, 23 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,814
@previous (I)
Then prove that the argument is illogical.
If you'd like, I'll ask a mod to unlock it. Might've auto-locked by now.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 56 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,820
@397,805 (I) > I'd gone as far as possible. When you just start asserting illogical stuff
This from the guy who said "We know that the spiritual exists" and spent a third of his replies calling people retards.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,841
@397,804 (I)
Yes they do, MM. Putting your head under a rock doesnt change reality.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 49 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,842
@397,814 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
He wont, because he's a weaselly coward.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 13 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,844
> Poor single atheist woman gets raped, becomes pregnant > Rednecks prevent her from having an abortion because babies are "gifts from God" > Poor single atheist woman gives birth and becomes poor single atheist mom > Poor single atheist mom cannot afford to properly provide for the "gift from God" she was forced to carry to term > Rednecks prevent her from getting help with baby from the state because "taxes are theft" > Baby starves to death
OR > Poor single atheist mom gives baby to the foster system along with many other children from similar situations > System becomes overwhelmed because of funding cuts because "taxes are theft" > Kid grows up to become a career criminal and/or starves to death
OR (which I think would be your preferred option you piece of shit) > Poor atheist single mom finds a boyfriend with a full-time job and becomes his housegf > Poor atheist mom wears pretty dresses and cooks him meals every day and obeys his orders in return for an adequate lifestyle > Atheist mom converts under coercion because otherwise her boyfriend will kick her to the curb > Christian mom is the perfect Stepford wife, and everyone lives happily ever after in a moral and holy nuclear family
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,940
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
He's actually said that abused people who grew up in the system, and wish that they had never been born should just kill themselves.
Anonymous K replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,941
@previous (A)
Blaming the victim is only okay when MM does it.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,942
@previous (K)
lol What's also awful is that he's actually blamed sexually abused children, and called them things like "born to be whores", but he wont blame the adults who commit these crimes, because that's society's fault.
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Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2 joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,943
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,947
@397,365 (!KThEOwLwbU)
Yeah, because expecting people to be responsible and accountable for their choices is oh so wrong.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,961
@397,943 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Most people understand the concept of taxes, because they pay for things that we use like roads, sewers, power lines, etc. Not him.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,963
@397,947 (M)
Using birth control is a responsible choice.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,969
> child starving to death > he deserves it because his parents are not acting "responsible for their choice"
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,986
@previous (!KThEOwLwbU)
Exactly, because its worse to use birth control, than let a child die in the streets.
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 21 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,998
@397,814 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
To whom? The illogical arguers? No point.
Anonymous I double-posted this 13 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#397,999
@397,820 (K)
Just as valid as the opposite claim of knowing the spiritual doesn't exist.
Anonymous I triple-posted this 13 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,000
@397,841 (A)
How many gifts did you let starve to death today?
stupid line of argument
Anonymous I quadruple-posted this 13 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,001
@397,844 (A) > Jesus never insulted anyone
lol read more
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,017
@398,000 (I)
We're talking about Mississippi and their deplorable child mortality rate.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,019
@397,999 (I)
No one made that claim. The claim was that we know that the physical exists.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 13 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,021
@398,001 (I)
Did Jesus call people retards when he was losing a debate? Source?
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,033
@397,940 (A)
I don't think that anyone should kill themselves.
Anonymous I double-posted this 13 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,035
@397,942 (A)
source? or is this another one of the those things i said on mysterious websites that have now disappeared and no proof that i ever said that exists?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 17 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,036
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,037
@398,035 (I)
That's okay, lie some more. You also never said that child molesters should be shunned, rather than taken by the authorities. Must be another fantasy.
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,038
@397,943 (Negi Springfield !aeNZeP7XP2)
Person A has property.
Person B takes this property without Person A's consent.
This is theft.
Anonymous I double-posted this 13 years ago, 38 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,039
@397,961 (A)
So it's not theft if the thief gives you something back in return?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 12 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,040
@398,038 (I)
Person A uses roads, person A doesnt pay for their upkeep...
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 34 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,041
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,049
@398,040 (A)
Some people go to church and don't pay for the upkeep. Would it be alright if I went to their houses and took what I thought was a fair amount?
What about people who don't use roads? Should they pay for the upkeep?
Anonymous K replied with this 13 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,050
@397,999 (I)
That two unprovable claims are equally valid is utterly irrelevant, and it doesn't mean you can assert one of them to be true and not look like an idiot.
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Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,051
@398,042 (A)
So if somebody uses communal property the admin is allowed to take whatever they deem fit from them, without any prior agreement?
Anonymous I double-posted this 13 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,052
@398,044 (A) > If A and B are bad why are you against A
woah actually retarded lol
Anonymous I triple-posted this 13 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,053
@398,047 (A)
yes people really believe your paranoid delusions
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,057
Who doesnt use roads? Who doesn't use the sewer system? The US, and many other places, runs on things being paid for by a group collective. You yourself use those things, so why don't you want to pay for them? Arent citizens expected to contribute?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,059
@398,051 (I)
They're is a prior agreement, citizens agree to pay taxes. If they do not wish to do so, they can leave.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 13 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,061
@398,052 (I)
How does condoms and birth control kill children?
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 13 years ago, 29 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#398,062
@398,053 (I)
Make a poll, and see exactly what people think that you're capable of.
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 10 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,148
@398,057 (A)
Many people don't own cars or live in areas unconnected to sewer system, making the objection fail on its own terms.
Anonymous I double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,150
@398,059 (A) > They're is a prior agreement, citizens agree to pay taxes.
Really? When did you sign this agreement?
> If they do not wish to do so, they can leave.
How do you like this idea: give me money, or leave. Sounds fair, right? Will you be giving me money or leaving?
Anonymous I triple-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,151
@398,061 (A) > A is bad > B is bad
It's not really hard to understand.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,168
Nobody agrees with your statement, therefore you have no authority.
Anonymous M replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,203
Surprise, surprise. Mississippi is inbred. Tell us something we don't know.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 52 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#398,226
@previous (M)
Its not inbreeding, its gods love making flipper babies.
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 13 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#398,512
@398,183 (!KThEOwLwbU)
So if one doesn't agree with the state's claim of authority, they have none?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#398,517
@previous (I)
They don't, unless they can enforce adherence to these claims. So since you cannot step through a computer screen, than your only authority here would come from the other users.
(Edited 6 minutes later.)
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#398,567