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Topic: Mother Theresa is no Saint.

Anonymous A started this discussion 13 years ago #26,293

Watch Christopher Hitchens uncover the farce.

Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 15 minutes later[^] [v] #397,071

When you want unbiased commentary on religious figures, look no further than Christopher Hitchens.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,075

@previous (B)
> Hitchens is a critic of religion, so when Theresa spends funds on churches for poor people to die instead of on real clinics, travels the world receiving gifts and supporting whichever dictator will have her, and saying that abortion and contraceptives are the biggest threat to world peace (not apparently war, or poverty?), she's actually a great person!

Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,076

@397,071 (B)
I havent seen it yet. Did he say something false?

Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,077

@397,075 (A)
> hitchens said things on a tv show so they're all true
you must be a very critical thinker

Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,078

@previous (B)
Has he said something untrue?

Anonymous C double-posted this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,079

@397,075 (A)
Whats anon B referring to?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,080

@397,077 (B)
Yes, how could I assume the video of Theresa calling abortion and contraceptives the largest threat to world peace was accurate? One can never overlook Hitchen's masterful work with video editing.

Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,081

@previous (A)
Shit, she really said that? I cant watch videos for a while.

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 17 seconds later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,082

@397,079 (C)
Hitchens is critical of religion, anon B is saying that makes Hitchens an unreliable source for information on Theresa.

Hitchens did a good job with the show, and made very good points, if he found an issue with it, he could present it.

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 53 seconds later, 46 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,083

@397,081 (C)
Yes. If you just want to read about some of the critiques against her, Wikipedia has compiled a nice article.

Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,084

@397,082 (A)
@previous (A)

Thank you. I'll read it now.

Anonymous C double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,085

@397,083 (A)
Only seven percent of donations were used for charity!

Anonymous C triple-posted this 13 years ago, 50 seconds later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,086

@397,083 (A)
She's even against birth control! That's ridiculous.

In her Nobel Lecture, Mother Teresa described abortion as "…the greatest destroyer of peace today."[8][9] Earlier, in her Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech, she stated, "... if a mother can kill her own child - what is left for me to kill you and you kill me - there is nothing between".[8][9] At a National Prayer Breakfast, sponsored by the U.S. Senate and House of representatives on 3 Feb 1994 she said, “I know that couples have to plan their family and for that there is natural family planning. The way to plan the family is natural family planning, not contraception.[10]

Her hardline views on abortion and contraception were welcomed by the socially conservative Pope John Paul II who used Mother Teresa as a spokesperson for papal causes. Her views put her at great odds with the feminist movement.[7] She was criticised by liberals who disliked her conservative stance on abortion and contraception.

Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 52 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,087

what what what?!?!

She was sometimes accused by Hindus in her adopted country of trying to convert the poor to Catholicism by "stealth".[11] Christopher Hitchens said that Teresa's own words on poverty proved that her intention was not to help people. He quoted Teresa's words at a 1981 press conference in which she was asked: "Do you teach the poor to endure their lot?" She replied: "I think it is very beautiful for the poor to accept their lot, to share it with the passion of Christ. I think the world is being much helped by the suffering of the poor people."

Anonymous C quintuple-posted this 13 years ago, 45 seconds later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,088

Oh dear lord

n 1991, Dr. Robin Fox, editor of the British medical journal The Lancet visited the Home for Dying Destitutes in Calcutta (now Kolkata) and described the medical care the patients received as "haphazard". He observed that sisters and volunteers, some of whom had no medical knowledge, had to make decisions about patient care, because of the lack of doctors in the hospice. Dr. Fox specifically held Teresa responsible for conditions in this home, and observed that her order did not distinguish between curable and incurable patients, so that people who could otherwise survive would be at risk of dying from infections and lack of treatment.

Fox conceded that the regimen he observed included cleanliness, the tending of wounds and sores,and kindness, but he noted that the sisters' approach to managing pain was "disturbingly lacking".There have been a series of other reports documenting inattention to medical care in the order's facilities. Similar points of view have also been expressed by some former volunteers who worked for Teresa's order. Mother Teresa herself referred to the facilities as "Houses of the Dying".

In contrast to the conditions at her homes, Mother Theresa sought medical treatment for herself at renowned medical clinics in the United States, Europe, and India, drawing charges of hypocrisy from critics such as Hitchens.[14]

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,089

@397,086 (C)
Yes, and that's the irony. Contraceptives are the greatest tool at preventing abortions, and keeping people out of poverty. She's a hypocrite. Humble, and calling yourself chosen by god?

Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 21 seconds later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,090

Um, she kind of sounds like a horror show. Is anon B mountainman or something?

Anonymous C double-posted this 13 years ago, 44 seconds later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,091

@397,089 (A)
I dont understand, why is she so popular, and revered?

Anonymous C triple-posted this 13 years ago, 29 seconds later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,092

@397,077 (B)
Why do you support Mother Theresa?

Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 39 seconds later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,093

@397,090 (C)
Irrationally defending something just because it's catholic? Yes, B is either MM or DM.

Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 57 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,095

@397,091 (C)
For the same reason Che, Ghandi, Malcolm X, and many other undeserving "heroes" are.

Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,096

@397,093 (A)
MM really seems to love the Catholic institution because they protect pedophiles.

Anonymous C double-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 59 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #397,097

@397,077 (B)
is any of this a lie, mountainman/Matt miller?

Anonymous C triple-posted this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,098

@397,095 (A)
I cant believe that she got expensive medical care,and then said that poor people should suffer. She couldnt have actually believed in god.

Anonymous C quadruple-posted this 13 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,111

Hey anon B, do you love Mother Theresa, or just hate Christopher Hitchens?

Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,112

@397,097 (C)
> everyone is mountainman
@397,098 (C)
herp
@previous (C)
false dichotomy

Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,114

@previous (B)
You didnt respond to any of that, and you sound just like mountainman. Were any of these accusations lies?

Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,119

@397,112 (B)
Great post. You refuted all of their points in a logical, well thought-out way and provided citations for each point you made.

Anonymous C replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #397,123

@397,112 (B)
Were any of these accusations false?

Anonymous C double-posted this 13 years ago, 46 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,144

Anon B, was Hitchens lying about Mother Theresa?

fluffy nigger joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 54 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #397,171

@397,087 (C)
@397,088 (C)
damlol
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