Topic: ADD is bullshit.
Anonymous A started this discussion 13 years ago #26,151
Those kids don't have a problem concentrating because of a "chemical imbalance" that needs to be fixed with lose dose speed, they have attention issues because they are stuck in front of a television for hours at a time, hyperglycemic from the colored sugar they were given for breakfast, and never given an appreciation for academics, or taught how to study.Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later[^] [v] #395,559
The problem is you get people to focus by taking away their free will -- drugs or fear. Fear is less maintenance.
Teach them how to do some basic meditation and they'll know how to get themselves to concentrate.
Teach them how to do some basic meditation and they'll know how to get themselves to concentrate.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 58 seconds later, 2 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #395,560
@previous (B)
15 minutes of mindfulness practice a day does a lot for attention span and focus.
This should be a part of school.
15 minutes of mindfulness practice a day does a lot for attention span and focus.
This should be a part of school.
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Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 42 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #395,561
@previous (A)
Gavin that you? Everyone else calls me "retarded" when I give any wisdom on the chans.
Gavin that you? Everyone else calls me "retarded" when I give any wisdom on the chans.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 38 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #395,562
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 9 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,674
Fucking idiot not only thinks they understand psychiatry, but also can't take into account that people have varying internal experiences.
imafaggot joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 14 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,680
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
you're a slave to societies' lies and malicious medicine practice
you're a slave to societies' lies and malicious medicine practice
!KThEOwLwbU joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,682
ANONYMOUS BLOWs CURRENT THOUGHT OUT OF THE WATER DURING PICTORIAL OUTING OF A.D.D. SUFFERERS AS "MEDIOCRE" SHOCKER
Anonymous posters who imply expertise assert that a documented mental illness does not exist.
> Parents being given fear drugs to fix their child's "bullshit disease"
> Sufferers only pretend to have difficulties adjusting
> All children diagnosed with A.D.D "watch too much television"
> Are our young being given an appreciation for academics?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287890/anonymous-tells-all-shocking-expose.html
Anonymous posters who imply expertise assert that a documented mental illness does not exist.
> Parents being given fear drugs to fix their child's "bullshit disease"
> Sufferers only pretend to have difficulties adjusting
> All children diagnosed with A.D.D "watch too much television"
> Are our young being given an appreciation for academics?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2287890/anonymous-tells-all-shocking-expose.html
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TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 36 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,693
@OP
Don't bother, americans got a little pill for everything. And there's no way you'll change that.
Don't bother, americans got a little pill for everything. And there's no way you'll change that.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,696
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
Don't change this. I can't make my easy money without all these patients!
Don't change this. I can't make my easy money without all these patients!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,710
@395,674 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
I used to think that ADD was just a farce, but then I heard the personal experiences of thousands of kids addicted to speed who've never tried actually tried meditation/diet/discipline. Now I'm convinced!
I used to think that ADD was just a farce, but then I heard the personal experiences of thousands of kids addicted to speed who've never tried actually tried meditation/diet/discipline. Now I'm convinced!
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 40 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,717
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,719
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
> claims chemical imbalance
> no study showing patients with adhd actually have dopamine deficiency.
Blast all those faulty MRIs, eh?
> claims chemical imbalance
> no study showing patients with adhd actually have dopamine deficiency.
Blast all those faulty MRIs, eh?
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,722
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,723
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,729
@395,722 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
Amphetamine floods the brain with dopamine. If amphetamine was the answer, the problem would have to be lack of dopamine.
Amphetamine floods the brain with dopamine. If amphetamine was the answer, the problem would have to be lack of dopamine.
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,732
> turn the lack of learning into a chore
> focus on stupid bullshit you won't ever need in your life (haikus, literature, anything outside of STEM fields)
> wonder why kids can't pay attention
> focus on stupid bullshit you won't ever need in your life (haikus, literature, anything outside of STEM fields)
> wonder why kids can't pay attention
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,737
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,738
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
No, cough medicine suppresses coughing reflex. Amphetamine is supposed to "balance out" a chemical imbalance.
No, cough medicine suppresses coughing reflex. Amphetamine is supposed to "balance out" a chemical imbalance.
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,741
@previous (A)
Just like how cough medicine "balances out" your body's natural reactions to disease. Words are words.
Just like how cough medicine "balances out" your body's natural reactions to disease. Words are words.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 11 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,744
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
This is the king of false analogies. Colds are a viral infection, which cause the symptoms of coughing. Cough medicine suppresses that process.
ADD is the idea that there is a chemical imbalance causing the symptoms of inattention and hyperactivity.
The rhino (cold) virus is heavily documented, and has been observed. It's not just some shitty guess as to the cause of old symptoms.
ADD on the other hand relies on the claim that there is a "chemical imbalance" that is causing the symptoms, when no such imbalance has even been shown. This is why psychiatrists do not do biological tests for it, but diagnose is on behavioral symptoms. The whole problem with diagnosing diseases this way is that you can't actually show that there is not another cause for the symptoms like hyperglycemia, or people adjusting to environments where they cannot focus.
I can show you plenty of sources for the Rhino virus existing, can you show me a single one that shows a "chemical imbalance"? No, because that's not actually the consensus in psychiatry, because it's a *behavioral disorder*.
This is the king of false analogies. Colds are a viral infection, which cause the symptoms of coughing. Cough medicine suppresses that process.
ADD is the idea that there is a chemical imbalance causing the symptoms of inattention and hyperactivity.
The rhino (cold) virus is heavily documented, and has been observed. It's not just some shitty guess as to the cause of old symptoms.
ADD on the other hand relies on the claim that there is a "chemical imbalance" that is causing the symptoms, when no such imbalance has even been shown. This is why psychiatrists do not do biological tests for it, but diagnose is on behavioral symptoms. The whole problem with diagnosing diseases this way is that you can't actually show that there is not another cause for the symptoms like hyperglycemia, or people adjusting to environments where they cannot focus.
I can show you plenty of sources for the Rhino virus existing, can you show me a single one that shows a "chemical imbalance"? No, because that's not actually the consensus in psychiatry, because it's a *behavioral disorder*.
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 38 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,745
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 51 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,746
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 52 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,747
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 23 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,749
!KThEOwLwbU replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,752
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,756
@395,744 (A)
Psychology is still a very early science. We don't know exactly why people have different brains; if anything, our actual knowledge of the brain is extremely basic. We're just going by what we know to fix the problems that we currently understand; ADD might be something else entirely, but that is then and this is now.
And even then, you've presented no solutions of your own to kids not paying attention; if you think technology is ever going to be any less of a part of our lives, you're delusional.
Psychology is still a very early science. We don't know exactly why people have different brains; if anything, our actual knowledge of the brain is extremely basic. We're just going by what we know to fix the problems that we currently understand; ADD might be something else entirely, but that is then and this is now.
And even then, you've presented no solutions of your own to kids not paying attention; if you think technology is ever going to be any less of a part of our lives, you're delusional.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,760
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
I did present a solution. Cut sugar, less TV (doesn't mean no technology, but not something so passive), and practice mindfulness which has been shown to increase concentration. If kids are still having problems, then there is more cause to believe something else is the answer.
I did present a solution. Cut sugar, less TV (doesn't mean no technology, but not something so passive), and practice mindfulness which has been shown to increase concentration. If kids are still having problems, then there is more cause to believe something else is the answer.
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,764
@395,756 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
Put kids into tae kwon do/karate/judo ... they'll be too tired to be hyperactive and they'll learn some discipline and be able to focus.
That's how it's done back where I'm from with hyperactive kids. Works wonders.
Also:
> Psychology is a science
Lol nope...
Put kids into tae kwon do/karate/judo ... they'll be too tired to be hyperactive and they'll learn some discipline and be able to focus.
That's how it's done back where I'm from with hyperactive kids. Works wonders.
Also:
> Psychology is a science
Lol nope...
squeegee joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 13 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,772
advi !!3gpAcg/hF replied with this 13 years ago, 29 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,782
@395,760 (A)
> If kids are still having problems, then there is more cause to believe something else is the answer.
That's kind of the assumption with ADD.
@395,764 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
Doesn't really make sense; I strongly doubt the disorder is caused solely by kids having too much energy.
> If kids are still having problems, then there is more cause to believe something else is the answer.
That's kind of the assumption with ADD.
@395,764 (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
Doesn't really make sense; I strongly doubt the disorder is caused solely by kids having too much energy.
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 15 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,786
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
There'll be a study detailed in a journal called Neuron next month that looks at hiw the human brain can differentiate between speakers in a crowded room. The brain actively filters extra noise and focuses on the speaker you are trying to hear.
They used electrodes to probe how the brain uses many regions to perform this task, however, when they tested people with ADHD they found regions that didn't function "normally," and that focus and attention wasdisrpted and were much less capable of hearing distinct voices in a crowded room.
So, sure, the adhd brain does indeed function differently than a normal brain, and things like attention and focus are in fact disrupted. Maybe, just maybe, trained medical doctors and researchers know what they are talking about.
There'll be a study detailed in a journal called Neuron next month that looks at hiw the human brain can differentiate between speakers in a crowded room. The brain actively filters extra noise and focuses on the speaker you are trying to hear.
They used electrodes to probe how the brain uses many regions to perform this task, however, when they tested people with ADHD they found regions that didn't function "normally," and that focus and attention wasdisrpted and were much less capable of hearing distinct voices in a crowded room.
So, sure, the adhd brain does indeed function differently than a normal brain, and things like attention and focus are in fact disrupted. Maybe, just maybe, trained medical doctors and researchers know what they are talking about.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,787
@395,782 (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
> >If kids are still having problems, then there is more cause to believe something else is the answer.
> That's kind of the assumption with ADD.
Issue is they are skipping straight to handing out speed, before cutting sugar, TV, and trying mindfulness (or any similar regimen).
> >If kids are still having problems, then there is more cause to believe something else is the answer.
> That's kind of the assumption with ADD.
Issue is they are skipping straight to handing out speed, before cutting sugar, TV, and trying mindfulness (or any similar regimen).
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,797
@previous (A)
> literally everyone in the world is too irresponsible to be a parent. Everyone doesn't take care of thier kids properly. Literally everyone knows less than me.
> literally everyone in the world is too irresponsible to be a parent. Everyone doesn't take care of thier kids properly. Literally everyone knows less than me.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,800
@previous (squeegee)
> there are literally no lazy parents
> there is literally no wrong way to raise a child
> literally no need restraints on how to use the word literally
Take your meds, bud.
> there are literally no lazy parents
> there is literally no wrong way to raise a child
> literally no need restraints on how to use the word literally
Take your meds, bud.
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,807
@previous (A)
You're making broad sweeping generalizations, as if you're present for every instance a child is prescribed medication. You seem to think that no parent has ever tried anything other than medication, and that every doctor just hands it out without regard for anything other than his pocketbook.
You also said there is no evidence proving structural differences in the brains of people with ADHD, but, as I said earlier, there is. Maybe not from an MRI, but from other imaging systems. So...
There you go, there is evidence for ADHD as being rooted in stuctural abnomalities in the brain, you don't know what goes on between doctors and ALL patients on earth, and your sweeping generalities are, just, wrong.
You're making broad sweeping generalizations, as if you're present for every instance a child is prescribed medication. You seem to think that no parent has ever tried anything other than medication, and that every doctor just hands it out without regard for anything other than his pocketbook.
You also said there is no evidence proving structural differences in the brains of people with ADHD, but, as I said earlier, there is. Maybe not from an MRI, but from other imaging systems. So...
There you go, there is evidence for ADHD as being rooted in stuctural abnomalities in the brain, you don't know what goes on between doctors and ALL patients on earth, and your sweeping generalities are, just, wrong.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,810
@previous (squeegee)
> You also said there is no evidence proving structural differences in the brains of people with ADHD, but, as I said earlier, there is. Maybe not from an MRI, but from other imaging systems. So...
Fucking prove me wrong then: give a source.
Also this:
> They used electrodes to probe how the brain uses many regions to perform this task, however, when they tested people with ADHD they found regions that didn't function "normally," and that focus and attention wasdisrpted and were much less capable of hearing distinct voices in a crowded room.
Cannot rule out exactly what I mentioned before, which would cause exactly this type of problem in a genetically fine person.
EDIT: Find a study that shows this with a control group on the same diet, and daily routine, and you'd have made your point.
> You also said there is no evidence proving structural differences in the brains of people with ADHD, but, as I said earlier, there is. Maybe not from an MRI, but from other imaging systems. So...
Fucking prove me wrong then: give a source.
Also this:
> They used electrodes to probe how the brain uses many regions to perform this task, however, when they tested people with ADHD they found regions that didn't function "normally," and that focus and attention wasdisrpted and were much less capable of hearing distinct voices in a crowded room.
Cannot rule out exactly what I mentioned before, which would cause exactly this type of problem in a genetically fine person.
EDIT: Find a study that shows this with a control group on the same diet, and daily routine, and you'd have made your point.
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squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 3 seconds later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,814
@395,810 (A)
Yeah, next month, journal called neuron. You're welcome to prove yourself wrong.
Idk, something about abnormalities in the adhd brain, structural differences, and difficulty performing a task normal oeople do easily... does not scream "exactly the same problem in genetically fine people."
In fact, this specifically says that genetically fine people do not have the same Problems as people with adhd.
Probably becuase of their brain abnomalities and structural differences.
Yeah, next month, journal called neuron. You're welcome to prove yourself wrong.
Idk, something about abnormalities in the adhd brain, structural differences, and difficulty performing a task normal oeople do easily... does not scream "exactly the same problem in genetically fine people."
In fact, this specifically says that genetically fine people do not have the same Problems as people with adhd.
Probably becuase of their brain abnomalities and structural differences.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,815
@previous (squeegee)
> next month
Are you a time traveler, or one of the co-authors?
> brain abnomalities and structural differences.
I tried, and I can't think of any words vaguer that you could have used.
> next month
Are you a time traveler, or one of the co-authors?
> brain abnomalities and structural differences.
I tried, and I can't think of any words vaguer that you could have used.
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,816
@395,810 (A)
Of course, I show you proof and you attack the credibility of the study. How do you know they didn't use a control? Did you timetravel to next month, read the study, find problems with their methodology, then portal back to today to dismiss their findings?
Nah, you just attack a sources credibility.
Happens all the time, demand evidence to refute a claim, when evidence is presented, don't relent, double down on your assertion and question the sources methodology.
Are you mm? You sure argue like him.
Of course, I show you proof and you attack the credibility of the study. How do you know they didn't use a control? Did you timetravel to next month, read the study, find problems with their methodology, then portal back to today to dismiss their findings?
Nah, you just attack a sources credibility.
Happens all the time, demand evidence to refute a claim, when evidence is presented, don't relent, double down on your assertion and question the sources methodology.
Are you mm? You sure argue like him.
squeegee double-posted this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,818
@395,815 (A)
You can listen to one of the researchers duscuss his study on NPR, he went into some detail, actually naming the structures in the brain.
So.
Npr.com I think. I'll be sure to link you the podcast when I get home. I don't expect you to look it up for yourself.
You can listen to one of the researchers duscuss his study on NPR, he went into some detail, actually naming the structures in the brain.
So.
Npr.com I think. I'll be sure to link you the podcast when I get home. I don't expect you to look it up for yourself.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,820
@395,816 (squeegee)
> Of course, I show you proof
You claim there is a study, but can't show it.
> How do you know they didn't use a control?
Probably because I don't have access to the hypothetical study.
> Happens all the time, demand evidence to refute a claim, when evidence is presented, don't relent, double down on your assertion and question the sources methodology.
I said I'll believe it when there is a study proving it. You've only made up a hypothetical study, that you claim will come out next month (how convenient). A control group is necessary in a proper scientific study.
> Are you mm? You sure argue like him.
Already said no, believe what you like.
> Of course, I show you proof
You claim there is a study, but can't show it.
> How do you know they didn't use a control?
Probably because I don't have access to the hypothetical study.
> Happens all the time, demand evidence to refute a claim, when evidence is presented, don't relent, double down on your assertion and question the sources methodology.
I said I'll believe it when there is a study proving it. You've only made up a hypothetical study, that you claim will come out next month (how convenient). A control group is necessary in a proper scientific study.
> Are you mm? You sure argue like him.
Already said no, believe what you like.
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 17 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,829
@previous (A)
> > Of course, I show you proof
> You claim there is a study, but can't show it.
Actually, I can. A jounal called neuron, next month. Until then you'll have to listen about it on NPR.
> > How do you know they didn't use a control?
> Probably because I don't have access to the hypothetical study.
That says only that you didn't read the study, not that they didn't use a control. You're only proving ignorance of the details.
> > Happens all the time, demand evidence to refute a claim, when evidence is presented, don't relent, double down on your assertion and question the sources methodology.
> I said I'll believe it when there is a study proving it. You've only made up a hypothetical study, that you claim will come out next month (how convenient). A control group is necessary in a proper scientific study.
Feel free to verify all this for yourself. Listen to it on NPR, or read the full study next month.
> > Are you mm? You sure argue like him.
> Already said no, believe what you like.
Hey, can you provide me with a study that proves anything you're saying? Any credible doctors, or hell, even shrinks, that have their own study proving you right?
Why do we have to prove you wrong? You proveme wrong, where's your study with control groups?
> > Of course, I show you proof
> You claim there is a study, but can't show it.
Actually, I can. A jounal called neuron, next month. Until then you'll have to listen about it on NPR.
> > How do you know they didn't use a control?
> Probably because I don't have access to the hypothetical study.
That says only that you didn't read the study, not that they didn't use a control. You're only proving ignorance of the details.
> > Happens all the time, demand evidence to refute a claim, when evidence is presented, don't relent, double down on your assertion and question the sources methodology.
> I said I'll believe it when there is a study proving it. You've only made up a hypothetical study, that you claim will come out next month (how convenient). A control group is necessary in a proper scientific study.
Feel free to verify all this for yourself. Listen to it on NPR, or read the full study next month.
> > Are you mm? You sure argue like him.
> Already said no, believe what you like.
Hey, can you provide me with a study that proves anything you're saying? Any credible doctors, or hell, even shrinks, that have their own study proving you right?
Why do we have to prove you wrong? You proveme wrong, where's your study with control groups?
green joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,834
Babylon 5?
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,838
NPR broadcast pertaining to the study in next months publication of Neuron
I found this study quite interesting. They mapped the brain circuitry that works as a "filter" to help you focus on one voice in a crowded room. When you listen your brain hears all noise, but actively filters out background noise and "boosts the signal" coming from a speaker you are looking at, rather than one who you are not.
They did find that that area of the brain, the active filter part, does not light up in those with ADHD the way it does for those without it. People with ADHD had a much more difficult time with focus and attention, and indeed, they have identified a structure of the brain that functions abnormally with ADHD participants.
Neat
I found this study quite interesting. They mapped the brain circuitry that works as a "filter" to help you focus on one voice in a crowded room. When you listen your brain hears all noise, but actively filters out background noise and "boosts the signal" coming from a speaker you are looking at, rather than one who you are not.
They did find that that area of the brain, the active filter part, does not light up in those with ADHD the way it does for those without it. People with ADHD had a much more difficult time with focus and attention, and indeed, they have identified a structure of the brain that functions abnormally with ADHD participants.
Neat
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Anonymous B replied with this 13 years ago, 10 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,845
@395,834 (green)
> Babylon 5?
This place won't explode like it. Only your penis does that when in your mouth.
> Babylon 5?
This place won't explode like it. Only your penis does that when in your mouth.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,916
@395,829 (squeegee)
I can provide studies showing hyperglycemia and long expose to TV reduced focus and attention.
I can provide studies showing hyperglycemia and long expose to TV reduced focus and attention.
squeegee !first/o5zA joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,937
here is a link the journal Neuron. looks pretty sciencey.
they have a featured review this month on hypothalamic motivational circuits.
here is a link to a PDF of the actual study referred to on NPR.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627313000457
several other people's names were mentioned in association with that story as well. if you're interested in knowing more.
they have a featured review this month on hypothalamic motivational circuits.
here is a link to a PDF of the actual study referred to on NPR.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0896627313000457
several other people's names were mentioned in association with that story as well. if you're interested in knowing more.
squeegee !first/o5zA double-posted this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,942
@395,916 (A)
that's fine, heartburn can cause chest pain and feel like angina. but that doesn't mean you're not about to have a heart attack.
medical imaging isn't even at the point where we can conclusively say we've seen everything. MRI doesn't image electrical activity, am i mistaken?
otherwise they wouldn't have to use people with a grid of electrodes in their brains to measure stuff like this.
edit: oh and i guess they even used MRIs as well.
that's fine, heartburn can cause chest pain and feel like angina. but that doesn't mean you're not about to have a heart attack.
medical imaging isn't even at the point where we can conclusively say we've seen everything. MRI doesn't image electrical activity, am i mistaken?
otherwise they wouldn't have to use people with a grid of electrodes in their brains to measure stuff like this.
edit: oh and i guess they even used MRIs as well.
(Edited 4 minutes later.)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,945
@previous (squeegee !first/o5zA)
I'm not arguing people diagnosed with ADHD will have a unique structure to their brain.
Automatically assuming it's because of genetics, and not many other likely causes? Unscientific.
I'm not arguing people diagnosed with ADHD will have a unique structure to their brain.
Automatically assuming it's because of genetics, and not many other likely causes? Unscientific.
squeegee !first/o5zA replied with this 13 years ago, 19 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #395,948
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> Automatically assuming it's because of genetics, and not many other likely causes? Unscientific.
does it matter if someone got their diabetes from their genes or from their fat ass? they both benefit from using insulin.
i do agree, doctors tend to over prescribe psychiatric medications, but that doesn't mean there isn't a biological root as to why certain drugs help certain people in certain ways. if i were bothered to google for 10 minutes about it i could produce article after article, journal after journal, expert after expert, explaining the benefits of ADHD medication to children whatever the root of their attention problems.
sure, maybe life style change could help. tell that to a smoker, or a drinker, or anyone who likes rich food. suggesting lifestyle changes to patients will garner you few good results. ask any doctor.
instead, they'll offer you medication which do have good results, and suggest the importance of lifestyle changes and you hope they'll make the appropriate choices.
> Automatically assuming it's because of genetics, and not many other likely causes? Unscientific.
does it matter if someone got their diabetes from their genes or from their fat ass? they both benefit from using insulin.
i do agree, doctors tend to over prescribe psychiatric medications, but that doesn't mean there isn't a biological root as to why certain drugs help certain people in certain ways. if i were bothered to google for 10 minutes about it i could produce article after article, journal after journal, expert after expert, explaining the benefits of ADHD medication to children whatever the root of their attention problems.
sure, maybe life style change could help. tell that to a smoker, or a drinker, or anyone who likes rich food. suggesting lifestyle changes to patients will garner you few good results. ask any doctor.
instead, they'll offer you medication which do have good results, and suggest the importance of lifestyle changes and you hope they'll make the appropriate choices.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 4 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #396,026
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I'm on the same page as you. It wasn't until about 3 years ago that I was diagnosed with ADHD. I struggled through school, but managed to focus and push through it because I assumed what OP says was true: that I just needed to learn to focus. The fact of the matter was though that I wasn't focusing nearly as well as a child with my intelligence and discipline should have been. I had, and sill have, a strong desire to learn. I do think it's over diagnosed, but I'm living proof that it's not just little shits who don't want to learn and/or can't behave themselves. My ADHD didn't get the attention it needed because I was never the problem child in class who couldn't sit still, so I sort of slipped through the cracks.
It wasn't until I started to really struggle in college that I thought I had better see a therapist and get this under control. That was when I was finally diagnosed and it all made sense. I take adderall XR and strattera now and it really improves my life significantly. My habits, work life, and social life have all improved by improving my focus in both the short term and long term. I'm fairly certain that my mom and my brother both have ADHD, so while I agree that it doesn't matter if it's genetic or not, I tend to believe it's genetic. I don't think watching too much TV can give you ADHD.
I'm on the same page as you. It wasn't until about 3 years ago that I was diagnosed with ADHD. I struggled through school, but managed to focus and push through it because I assumed what OP says was true: that I just needed to learn to focus. The fact of the matter was though that I wasn't focusing nearly as well as a child with my intelligence and discipline should have been. I had, and sill have, a strong desire to learn. I do think it's over diagnosed, but I'm living proof that it's not just little shits who don't want to learn and/or can't behave themselves. My ADHD didn't get the attention it needed because I was never the problem child in class who couldn't sit still, so I sort of slipped through the cracks.
It wasn't until I started to really struggle in college that I thought I had better see a therapist and get this under control. That was when I was finally diagnosed and it all made sense. I take adderall XR and strattera now and it really improves my life significantly. My habits, work life, and social life have all improved by improving my focus in both the short term and long term. I'm fairly certain that my mom and my brother both have ADHD, so while I agree that it doesn't matter if it's genetic or not, I tend to believe it's genetic. I don't think watching too much TV can give you ADHD.