Topic: trans woman also pretends to be a paraplegic, and her doctor even gives her a handicapped car tag.
Anonymous A started this discussion 13 years ago #25,234
Someone dropped me a line about a show they saw on the National Geographic Channel this week called “Taboo: Secret Livesâ€. I’ve never seen the show, but apparently they featured a woman who “had a secretâ€, and the secret was that she was a fake paraplegic. That’s right! The woman went around in a wheelchair pretending to have a spinal injury- fooling everyone. The woman who contacted me just couldn’t believe that a female would do such a thing. She was certain that the woman (although they never mentioned it on the show) must be a male transgender. And she was right.The copy from the National Geographic website reads:
“Chloe Jennings-White leads a double life. A Ph.D chemist in Salt Lake City, Utah, Chloe lives as a paraplegic in a wheelchair. For the most part, people believe that Chloe is unable to walk, but she has a shocking secret. Chloe isn’t paraplegic at all. She is not a paraplegic, but chooses to live as one.â€
What they fail to mention is that he is also a man who “chooses to live as†a woman, as well as pretending to be paraplegic.
According to the LATimes he was Clive Jennings-White up until at least 2003, a PHD in organic chemistry working for Pherin and Realm Pharmaceuticals at the time, both pheromone companies, and holder of multiple pharmaceutical patents, mostly artificial pheromones.
Now working at Human Pheromone Sciences Inc in Salt Lake City Utah , a phermone marketer. He also claims to be employed and have his own laboratory and office at the University of Utah Neuropsychiatric Institute, in the ECT wing.
He was born in 1955 and grew up in England, obtaining a doctorate from Cambridge, was a married hetero male and father to two sons. Became a Fullbright Scholar and post-doctoral fellow at Stanford and did research at the University of Utah Department of Psychiatry (!).
Not only that, but when he is not busy posting crazy-ass videos of his fake lesbian significant-other Danielle Sainte-Marie (also a transgender male) and faking paraplegia and disability he is an extensive mountain climber and hiker: http://www.peakbagger.com/climber/ClimbListC.aspx?cid=4163
Cancer survivor and disability activist blogger Sara K. at Ready Pink and Able (unaware that Chloe is actually male) writes:
“Why haven’t doctors put her on psych meds? She is completely delusional. I know, she has BIID. Does this mean, we just accept her fraud? If I expressed a desire to be an African American, no doctor would find it appropriate to counsel me to walk around in “black faceâ€. Why is it that Chloe gets the benefit of a disorder with which to label herself??? Where is the outrage? Am I the only one who feels ill at the very thought of this woman and her deception? We all scream for blood when we find that someone fakes a cancer diagnosis! That’s horrible…just disgusting. Somehow this woman has gotten a pass because she has a disorder. I am sick with anxiety and anger. I really am sick. I have participated in autopsies and multiple bloody patient encounters which didn’t make me ill. I have performed incision and drainage procedures which included copious amounts of pus. None of it caused me to vomit. However, this story caused my chest to tighten, breath to quicken, and my stomach to churn with an unbelievable ferocity. The anxiety that remains, even now, is so strong that I can only hope for recovery. My outrage may live for a while in this case. Does anyone blame me? Frankly, I don’t care…I’m not even attempting to veil my feelings here.â€
On the Transabled.org website Chloe describes his dream of becoming genuinely disabled as a form of “transitionâ€. His partner Danielle aka Alicia (because just one fake persona is never enough apparently) posts in the same thread to a guy who describes seeking a back alley surgeon that will “snip†his spine: “Much support to you as you move towards authenticity!â€- using the identical language adopted by the transgenderist movement.
Not only that but Chloe brags about how he got a physician to write a letter authorizing him to get a handicapped parking space even though the doctor knows he is not handicapped, and he instructs the others on how they can do the same, the better to enjoy taking handicapped parking spaces from genuinely handicapped people.
Some threads on Chloe from a Spinal Injury Forum:
http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthread.php?t=176092
http://sci.rutgers.edu/forum/showthread.php?t=175081
(sample comment: “I feel like someone needs to break her neck.â€)
Presumably Chloe was able to stop the National Geographic from mentioning his recent “Gender Transition†in the show featuring his emerging “Transabled Transition†as a condition of his appearance. Which is unfortunate for a couple of reasons. First of all, there is a strong correlation between Body Integrity Identity Disorder (BIID)- the urge to pretend one is, or fantasize about actually becoming handicapped- and transgenderism.
In fact, researchers who have formerly studied Gender Identity Disorder (before the transgender political lobby began to stifle alternative treatment research) are now studying BIID in hope that the science will support non-invasive treatments for all forms of bodily identity disorder.
From this Newsweek article on BIID:
“Some conservative voices in the medical community feel that the normalization of sex-change surgeries was the start of a slippery slope. “You keep pushing the envelope of impaired people who aren’t in touch with reality in some fashion, who develop ideas about their normalcy,†says Dr. Mark Schiller, a psychiatrist and past president of the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. “Essentially from just claiming that something’s the case, people just accept somebody’s distorted version of reality and then we get surgeons and others responding to the point of mangling normal bodies.â€
The second reason it is unfortunate the show failed to mention the fact that Chloe is male is that this is yet another instance where outrageous male behavior is being reported as female behavior. As I said before, when a “woman†was reported to be living her life as an “adult babyâ€, messing herself and selling porn about it (and “she†turned out to be a dude): when you hear about a female doing something really wack, or read about it in a newspaper or on a website, and it just “doesn’t sound right†to you: It’s probably a male transgender.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 29 minutes later[^] [v] #385,502
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #385,503
squeegee joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #385,505
welcome to the 21st century
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #385,506
@previous (squeegee)
Evidently, we are supposed to be pretend that people with working legs are crippled, and people with penises are women. lol progress.
Evidently, we are supposed to be pretend that people with working legs are crippled, and people with penises are women. lol progress.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,508
> mad
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,509
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,514
@previous (E)
I have a problem with liars in general. Real disabled people would kill to be able to walk again, and this man fakes his problems for attention., Its disgusting and shouldn't be encouraged.
I have a problem with liars in general. Real disabled people would kill to be able to walk again, and this man fakes his problems for attention., Its disgusting and shouldn't be encouraged.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,518
@previous (A)
Why is it so disgusting? So some guy wants to live out his life as a crippled woman. What is the effect that his action has on you that makes you so angry? Okay, he gets better parking, that's about it. How about you get off your high horse OP.
Why is it so disgusting? So some guy wants to live out his life as a crippled woman. What is the effect that his action has on you that makes you so angry? Okay, he gets better parking, that's about it. How about you get off your high horse OP.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,520
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
I'm on a high horse? Fuck off postmortem. Abled people don't need to take spaces from disabled people. The fact that you would defend such behavior just exposes you as the asshole that you really are.
I'm on a high horse? Fuck off postmortem. Abled people don't need to take spaces from disabled people. The fact that you would defend such behavior just exposes you as the asshole that you really are.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,524
@385,518 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Why shouldnt everyone get to park in handicapped spots? Why do these parking spaces, or handicapped bathroom stalls even exist?
Why shouldnt everyone get to park in handicapped spots? Why do these parking spaces, or handicapped bathroom stalls even exist?
squeegee replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,526
Handicapped parking is the civil rights debate of our time.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,529
@385,520 (A)
I'm not defending her so much as I'm just trying to understand why you give a shit. Handicapped parking spots are kind of bullshit anyway. People in wheelchairs roll around all the time, handicap parking does pretty much nothing, but render parking spots useless the majority of the time. Which is ultimately bad for business.
I'm not defending her so much as I'm just trying to understand why you give a shit. Handicapped parking spots are kind of bullshit anyway. People in wheelchairs roll around all the time, handicap parking does pretty much nothing, but render parking spots useless the majority of the time. Which is ultimately bad for business.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,531
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
You are not very bright. There are a variety of handicapped people who aren't in wheelchairs. People with crutches, people with canes, people with walkers. Jesus, how do you get women to fuck you?
You are not very bright. There are a variety of handicapped people who aren't in wheelchairs. People with crutches, people with canes, people with walkers. Jesus, how do you get women to fuck you?
Anonymous E replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,542
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,545
I can tell by his attitude that cupcake would never date him, if he didnt buy her things.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,552
@previous (A)
Look, I will concede that it is shitty for someone to fake being crippled to get better parking. But it's just something I don't really care about. So some guy using crutches has to park farther away, okay.
Look, I will concede that it is shitty for someone to fake being crippled to get better parking. But it's just something I don't really care about. So some guy using crutches has to park farther away, okay.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #385,554
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
She could be one day. Oh wait, you would shit can her ass if she was no longer attractive. So it doesnt matter.
She could be one day. Oh wait, you would shit can her ass if she was no longer attractive. So it doesnt matter.
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Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,559
@previous (A)
Cupcake will always be attractive to me, no matter what she looks like. Stop trying to make debates into personal attacks, it's weird.
Cupcake will always be attractive to me, no matter what she looks like. Stop trying to make debates into personal attacks, it's weird.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,560
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Okay so if she was handicapped, you would be cool with seeing a dude park in the only spot for her, and just walk around perfectly fine? Thats interesting.
Okay so if she was handicapped, you would be cool with seeing a dude park in the only spot for her, and just walk around perfectly fine? Thats interesting.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 36 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,584
@previous (A)
The person in the article doesn't just get up and walk around they remain in the wheelchair. You're acting as if better parking is a fair trade off for not being able to walk.
No, I wouldn't be cool with someone doing that. But I wouldn't let it ruin my day, and I'm pretty sure Cupcake wouldn't either.
The person in the article doesn't just get up and walk around they remain in the wheelchair. You're acting as if better parking is a fair trade off for not being able to walk.
No, I wouldn't be cool with someone doing that. But I wouldn't let it ruin my day, and I'm pretty sure Cupcake wouldn't either.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,588
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
He walks when he feels like it. It would ruin your day if it kept you from a doctors appointment or something else important.
He walks when he feels like it. It would ruin your day if it kept you from a doctors appointment or something else important.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,595
@previous (A)
It wouldn't though. She would just have to walk further. If she's in crutches that means she can walk in crutches, and if she's in a wheelchair then that's not even an issue, she can roll herself a bit further.
In some bizzaro world where she can't get somewhere if it's a bit further away then I can just carry her.
It wouldn't though. She would just have to walk further. If she's in crutches that means she can walk in crutches, and if she's in a wheelchair then that's not even an issue, she can roll herself a bit further.
In some bizzaro world where she can't get somewhere if it's a bit further away then I can just carry her.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,599
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
what if she cant walk further? What is the ground is uneven? What if the wheelchair cant move across the surface? Why do handicapped spaces exist?
what if she cant walk further? What is the ground is uneven? What if the wheelchair cant move across the surface? Why do handicapped spaces exist?
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,608
@previous (A)
If she can't move across the surface then a closer spot isn't going to help a whole lot. Also the person who gave this guy a handicap parking pass is the most at fault. The guy is clearly mentally ill and probably shouldn't be pandered to.
If she can't move across the surface then a closer spot isn't going to help a whole lot. Also the person who gave this guy a handicap parking pass is the most at fault. The guy is clearly mentally ill and probably shouldn't be pandered to.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,611
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
It would be less of the surface to maneuver. Wait, why is anyone at fault if this behavior is acceptable?
It would be less of the surface to maneuver. Wait, why is anyone at fault if this behavior is acceptable?
Falco !a7Q.SWNEJw joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,619
@385,506 (A)
> Evidently, we are supposed to be pretend that people with working legs are crippled, and people with penises are women. lol progress.
lol this
what the fuck is wrong with the world....
> Evidently, we are supposed to be pretend that people with working legs are crippled, and people with penises are women. lol progress.
lol this
what the fuck is wrong with the world....
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,622
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 48 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,623
@385,611 (A)
I never said it was acceptable you stupid fuck. I just said it doesn't really bother me. I don't get emotionally involved in every issue. Yes, what this guy is doing is not okay.
I never said it was acceptable you stupid fuck. I just said it doesn't really bother me. I don't get emotionally involved in every issue. Yes, what this guy is doing is not okay.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 26 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,624
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 24 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,657
@OP
It makes me think, if you can have sex reassignment surgery why can't this transwoman have some kind of surgery to sever the spinal cord and make her paraplegic?
It makes me think, if you can have sex reassignment surgery why can't this transwoman have some kind of surgery to sever the spinal cord and make her paraplegic?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,660
Anonymous I replied with this 13 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,664
@previous (A)
It would be easy to do I imagine, just a snip really. I've read about people doing self-amputations on purpose cause they just really wanted to be that way. It's a strange thing to be sure. I guess the woman's best bet is to stage an "accident" that breaks her back.
It would be easy to do I imagine, just a snip really. I've read about people doing self-amputations on purpose cause they just really wanted to be that way. It's a strange thing to be sure. I guess the woman's best bet is to stage an "accident" that breaks her back.
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Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,681
@previous (A)
But she's not doing it to get free parking,it isn't a scam she's pulling. She's mentally ill. Should her Dr. being encouraging this? Probably not, but what do I know? I'm not a doctor.
But she's not doing it to get free parking,it isn't a scam she's pulling. She's mentally ill. Should her Dr. being encouraging this? Probably not, but what do I know? I'm not a doctor.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,727
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 18 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,732
@previous (H)
You mean a hole? lol What counts as functioning? Also, this man still has a dick, and mots other transwomen still have their penises.
You mean a hole? lol What counts as functioning? Also, this man still has a dick, and mots other transwomen still have their penises.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,734
@previous (A)
What counts a functioning? If it bleeds for five days and doesn't die, it's functional. If it is/was/could've been capable of reproduction, it's real.
What counts a functioning? If it bleeds for five days and doesn't die, it's functional. If it is/was/could've been capable of reproduction, it's real.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,736
@previous (H)
Surgically created holes can never, and have never been used for reproduction. damn. learn2science.
Surgically created holes can never, and have never been used for reproduction. damn. learn2science.
Anonymous H replied with this 13 years ago, 16 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,739
@previous (A)
I fucking know that. Those holes are just places where the penis and balls used to be.
I fucking know that. Those holes are just places where the penis and balls used to be.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 16 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,742
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,752
@previous (H)
Sterile women have had uteruses at some point. I cant graft on cat ears, and become a feline. These concepts arent hard. lol
Sterile women have had uteruses at some point. I cant graft on cat ears, and become a feline. These concepts arent hard. lol
Ashe joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 5 hours later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,853
You don't have many friends do you OP
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Catherine !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #385,861
What is all the commotion about in this thread?