doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later[^][v]#383,283
Try it
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 57 seconds later, 13 minutes after the original post[^][v]#383,284
Depends on how awesome it is. Also, if you know how to drive in snow, it might get in your way. If you're a sunday driver, keep it on.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 13 years ago, 30 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^][v]#383,289
@previous (TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k)
Know how to drive in the snow? Start out in second gear with high revs, and continue driving in the highest possible gear avoiding sudden breaking and deceleration. Of course that's impossible if you're a stupid fucking American in a piece of shit automatic transmission vehicle. My question was about the effectiveness of traction control in front wheel drive vehicles, how about you stick to the topic?
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^][v]#383,290
@previous (A)
I meant more like, you start under steering in a curve, and you panic and hit the brakes and turn the steering wheel like a retard.
If that's your reaction, please use traction control. And no, you don't need to start out in 2nd and shift gears like a retard. That's bad for your car.
Syntax joined in and replied with this 13 years ago, 4 minutes later, 52 minutes after the original post[^][v]#383,291
> Answer. Yes, but of course use the 2nd gear technique you have already outlined for pulling away etc.
This. Also, some cars have two modes of traction control. One mode is to turn traction control "off", which isn't truly off. The second mode is fully off. For example, I know in some BMW models you can hold the button for 5 seconds or so to fully disable traction control. Definitely noticeable. Also, for my cousin's 2001 Honda Accord, you can definitely tell the difference at high speeds and when powersliding.
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Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#383,307
@previous (DXMeowth)
My Rolls Royce has good traction control, but thee understands howsumever that not just anyone can afford one!
Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#383,308
No No but I was offered a job very early on in my career with the company that developed their aircraft technology and converted it in2 wot every car company used and of course paid dearly in license fees. ( Bendix Corporation )
Only a high pressure telephone interview. Perhaps cause as a few know I hold a key patent (easy to look op) on Feedback that uses a Feed Forward technique licensed by many many many and albeit the Patent also shows a partner in that venture, he gives me total credit. I end up in auto technology re the sense op amps for emission controls as well as fuel ejection sensors use my patent pure n simple.
And I owe the idea to a couple of kids who were visiting a company I was doing R&D for and they wanted to build a more better Fuzz box for Git~R. Having no background at all in the art of distortion on purpose cause in my world I worked real hard for zero distortion - anyway they showed me on a black board how everyone else did the deed and the downsides of each technique. Sharp kids who did their homework.
So I did a quick draw of wot I thought might be useful and easy to try and handed them all the parts including a power supply to build it and give it a try. Then they had just one concern about wot my design might do to their Mac Amps and no nada to do with Mac computer. So I gave that a quick thought and drew out a quick design on a super fast protection circuit and DANG it hit me.
Op Amps all work on a loop you build for Negative Feedback. A node we call the summing junction should end up with ZERO product. If anything goes kaput then their will be some product at that junction.
That is NEVER EVER a good Thing. And I said to self hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm but wot if one were to find a way to tap in2 such junction without the junction being aware YOU were there looking in.
Then you could take that bad bad information that the circuit could not handle and feed it around the amp and combine it with wot the Amp could handle. Get all the stability of one limited Amplifier and then add a 2nd Amp with no concern of basis stability but designed to be super fast only.
Anyway its an old patent being used by 1000's of companies for things I R not even aware of. No one had found a way around it so far. Oh AND of course it ends up in every speed control like cruise control on the IC level and of course Speed Control Traction Control are like Bread n Butter.
n danks for the memories
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DXMeowth replied with this 13 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#383,316
> Know how to drive in the snow? Start out in second gear with high revs, and continue driving in the highest possible gear avoiding sudden breaking and deceleration. Of course that's impossible if you're a stupid fucking American in a piece of shit automatic transmission vehicle.
What about the low-gear settings? What about the bump-shifting mode? You clearly don't know about automatic transmissions.
Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 12 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#383,475
@previous (J)
I have owned 3 BMW's and GF owns as well. The Electronics works and before they used electronics they used Hydraulics at BMW just after the turn of the last century.
LOW GEARS NO NO - On Ice a disaster because wot you do not want is TORQUE and gearing down gives Torque.
WAY BACK in the dark ages before computers ran too much of the engine - Wot we did was to remove a spark plug or two when jammed up in black ice on a mountain road with bunch of curves. Cut the Torque to real real low and far more control. In udder words Power Down not Power up.
Anonymous J replied with this 13 years ago, 7 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#383,482
@previous (Syntax)
I was addressing his false claim that you can't force an automatic into a certain gear. Actually, you really can't force it in every circumstance, like when you could damage the transmission, but most of the time, you can force it into 3rd gear, 2nd gear or 1st gear. Oh, and to address the snow driving, just put on the fucking snow tires and be done with it.
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Syntax replied with this 13 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#383,532
@previous (J) > just put on the fucking snow tires and be done with it.
Except and you know this is true....SomeTimes it snows and black ice forms when you least expect it. I was born in LA and have lived most of my life in So Cal. So Snow for me is an option I pay dearly for.
Love being able and I have done this many times. Driven to Palm Springs CA in early spring or late winter. Mountain climbed up San Jacinto, and that is Rock Climbing heaven. Cross country ski's strapped to me...Friends along for this adventure. Hours up the mountain starting at say 100 degrees F at 9AM in morning. Get to top of mountain and Ski for one hour and take the Tram down so as to drive back and stop around Falco territory at Newport beach or Huntington beach to Surf the Ocean a Blue.
Only in So Cal is this possible buttttttttt Once unexpected we on way back were hit with a snow storm that jammed up the hwy so we said cannot go more until they clear the roads. Stayed overnight and next AM Hwy Patrol said ok to go but go slow. Slow re Black Ice. Only way to do it with ease was2 pull spark plugs and force transmission into the wrong gear to cut torque ASAP.
Yes hard on transmission and maybe harder on the engine. But hell given I traded that car in a couple of months after, lol
We in So Cal never buy Snow Tires and that includes people who live in place called Pine Valley or Viejas where it often snows and its still San Diego County.