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Topic: NRA wins again God Bless the NRA.

Syntax started this discussion 14 years ago #24,101

Image went missingConnecticut school shooting: 18 children among at least 27 dead (CNN says maybe 30?)

Without the NRA very little of this mayhem is possible.

On Friday, July 20, 2012, a mass shooting occurred inside of a Century movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, during a midnight screening of the film The Dark Knight Rises. A gunman, dressed in tactical clothing, set off tear gas grenades and shot into the audience with multiple firearms, killing 12 people and injuring 58 others. The sole suspect is James Eagan Holmes, who was arrested outside the cinema minutes later.

February 27, 2012 -- Chardon High School, Chardon, Ohio. Student Daniel Parmertor, 16, is killed and four others wounded when student T.J. Lane opens fire in the school, authorities say. On February 28, Demetrius Hewlin, 16, dies from his wounds, and Russell King Jr., 17, is declared brain-dead. On March1, T.J. Lane is charged with three counts of aggravated murder, two of attempted aggravated murder and one of felonious assault.

Work work or I would add to this short list. USA Super Court approves of this message.


Graph:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/07/23/six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control/

5. States with stricter gun control laws have fewer deaths from gun-related violence.
States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later[^] [v] #374,311

"30 little children are dead and you are trying to politicise it to further your own agenda

you truly are a fucking horrible human being"
---ashe

ashe joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,316

@previous (( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) !0VegJ9Jl.Q)

There is a difference in my opinion between

> These children are dead and look who is to blame - it's the liberals once again! This means my group is right and their group is wrong and horrible and they should obviously not be allowed to exist. Fucking anti-racists, they're the worst of all. Vote conservative #2016

and

> These children are dead. This is what could have prevented it and may prevent it happening again. Here are the facts that support what I just said.

So despite the fact he could probably have waited a bit he at least presented it tactfully and is therefore not a walking example of sentient dogshit like you.

Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,318

@previous (ashe)
Oh shut up you angsty little brat

ashe replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,319

@previous (D)

Aaw, wikkwe anon D's upset. Kill yourself. I bet you're that faggot from that lobster topic who just can't seem to get over it.

Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,320

@previous (ashe)
that guy's a weirdo

Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,322

@374,319 (ashe)
All I ever see you do is bitch and moan. I'll let it go since it's obvious you're a little akward/autistc

advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,323

Solution: give all kids concealed weapons

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 22 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,326

@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
The NRA will never agree with you in the open, but you damn well know the NRA wants every human being to be armed as a member of the approved Militia, as recently approved by the US Supreme Court.

Back during the founding of USA young teens 14-15-16 yr olds were part of the Militia that beat down the Brits. How dare them Brits tax USA Tea and considering USA are really coffee drinkers. If Brits taxed without representation, our coffee... USA wood have invaded England and then moved on to take over France so as to have a constant source of fyne Wines and Cognac's.

ashe replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #374,329

@374,322 (D)

Lol ok bud

> akward
>

Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #374,330

So it turns out that not being strict with gun ownership leads to more maniacs getting ahold of guns. Imagine that.

@374,318 (D)
You seem upset.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #374,333

@374,316 (ashe)
hypocrisy

Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #374,336

My grandparents sent a NRA Christmas card this year.

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #374,338

I do wonder if any of the parents of the now dead children, are members of the NRA? What kind of stash do they have with bullets assault weapons and lean politically towards NRA points of views.

And what is NRA's argument against personal chemical ownership as well as a small nuke for personal use? If a Militia has that in their arsenal why not everyone in the hood?

ashe replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #374,340

@374,333 (( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) !0VegJ9Jl.Q)

Nah not really

Like I think it's in bad taste but I don't think he's a bad guy for it. Maybe if you would have said what you did more tactfully I would not have said what I said to you. But then again you have a fat head so I can see why you would get confused.

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 13 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #374,343

@374,330 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Killer Lettuce

I think its more a matter of more total guns and bullets then USA population currently. So fucking available. The other day the killer stole a weapon, and I have friends with guns, so if I needed one real quick I can think of a dozen places to go real quick and er borrow one or 10.

At least I am 100% assured my next door neighbor will never have guns and neighbors place looks like a huge fortress which is mainly there to protect KOI fish and gardens from midnight parties. I end up calling cops on regular basis and have Infrared Cameras set up with motion alarms to spot those who climbed the walls of my neighbor. Neighbor is kinda classified as sorta a East Indian based Church that follows all branches of all religions (SRF) There are several houses on Church grounds, but often not occupied for months at a time.

Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #374,345

@previous (Syntax)
But you also said in the OP that stricter gun laws helped, that's what I was agreeing with.

But yes, the fact that there are so many guns doesn't help either.

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 20 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,347

@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Yea I knew you agreed. Some problems have no solutions ....someone will use this again me re my 4=5 math reply I put here yesterday at MC.

They can return to the Bush era Assault weapon ban, but at this point the market is so fucking flooded with massive numbers of guns.

Currently CNN is on a campaign re some surfing kid, recent war vet who just got out of military and was on a road trip with a bud -
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/13/us/mexico-jailed-marine/

Miami (CNN) -- For a war vet from South Florida, a leisurely road trip to a seaside vacation came to an abrupt end in Mexico, where he has languished behind bars for four months, sometimes chained to a bed.


But now they are coming forward, hoping the publicity will push Mexican authorities to act.

Hammar, 27, is being held in the border town of Matamoros, just across from Brownsville, Texas.
Father: Mexican prison demanding money Hammar, who served in Iraq and Afghanistan as a Marine, was headed to Costa Rica in August to go surfing with a fellow veteran.

He had surfed there before and packed every good surf board he had, his parents said.

But he also took one item that quickly became troublesome: an antique shotgun handed down from his great-grandfather.

He intended to hunt with it, his parents said. And he declared it with U.S. border agents.

But after he drove his Winnebago a few feet farther to the Mexican side, authorities arrested him, saying the weapon did not comply with their gun laws.

"The crime that he's charged with is possession of a weapon that's restricted for military use," said his mother, Olivia Hammar.

A branch of the Mexican military has said the gun is not on its "forbidden list," she said. But the former Marine remains incarcerated.

I travel to Mexico on a regular basis and NEVER have run into US Border Patrol stopping me from going in - Only on return. Mexico does stop and the only thing they look for and look in trunk and under car seats is for GUNS This is a 100% check you out kind of thing and I grew up knowing that any kind of gun would land one in serious butt fucked Mexican jail where you have to buy your own food and you end up paying for them locking you up. If you cannot afford it they turn you into a slave laborer and that is just the way it is.

Bleeding hearts including Congressmen want him freed but so far they have noticed the US State dept is of no help. The guy took a gun into Mexico where the only people allowed to own guns are the ones who have paid off Gov and usually are drug dealers. Mexico has a zero policy allowance on Guns unless you have paid them off with huge sums of cash for protection.

bottom line - ordinary citizens and visitors will end up in total horrid pain if they bring a gun into Mexico.

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squeegee !first/o5zA joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,378

> *excludes estonia and mexico
> mexico

excluded why? to make the US look like the worst?

Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 17 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,384

Aren't most of those death gangbangers killing other gangbangers? Because I'm sure I speak for everyone when I say no one cares about that.

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,404

@374,378 (squeegee !first/o5zA)
Excellent question. I noticed that about Mexico. Maybe tomorrow I will locate a couple of sources to see whats up with that.

This much I am 90% sure of. The killings are easy to stop in Mexico with just a simple USA Gov policy decision and based on wot Obama said today for ABC interview, such policy is only a matter of Obamas lips saying a few simple words during his last four years in orfice.

@previous (J)

Because of the lawn

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Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,405

Do all of these mass shooters have anything in common?

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,407

@previous (K)
Yes if you lump them in with the Brits or Aussies or Canucks. Same problems same amount of issues and mental dis and dat. Minor difference is access to weapons of mass destruction/\.

Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,408

@previous (Syntax)
can you specify please?

Anonymous K double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,409

@374,407 (Syntax)
Similar ages, genders, ethnicities, family lives, etc?

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,419

@374,408 (K)


Super super busy with work and so disappointed in web being so far out of date. Wiki on world homicides has a warning about very out of date info. This gets propagated all over Google results.

I worked and lived in both Canada and Australia for periods of about 2 years each but have only vacationed in England. Vodaphone has been a huge important client of mine since 1997 and soon may own all of Verizon because they were planning to jump over the 45% they currently own. Globalstar my Satellites were first financed by Qualcomm and Vodaphone with Acatel as a 3rd partner. So I have worked with a slew of Brits and think I understand them a bit.

So when I look at 2007 data of Canucks and Homicides

Murder Rate in Canada

"The national murder rate in Canada went down for the second year in a row. In general it has been declining since the mid 1970s. In 2007 there were 594 homicides reported by police in Canada, down from 606 in 2006. Declines in homicides were reported in every province in Canada, except in Manitoba, Ontario and New Brunswick. Manitoba had the highest murder rate of the provinces and also reported a large increase in the rate of attempted murders. The murder rates in British Columbia and Quebec were at their lowest in over 40 years.
Rates of Robberies in Canada

The robbery rate in Canada went down about five percent in 2007, and has remained stable since 2000. The rate of armed robberies in Canada in 2007 decreased 12 percent in 2007 to its lowest level in 30 years.
Property Crime Also Down in 2007

The rate of residential break-ins reported by police in 2007 decreased by nine percent in 2007. Business break-ins went down nine percent. Statistics Canada says the rate of break-ins has reached its lowest level in 40 years, most likely because of the increased use of home security devices."

http://canadaonline.about.com/od/crime/a/crimerates2007.htm

Canucks except for those who only speek Frenchy are polite and other then that eh now and then ...appear to be Americans which of course they actually are.


@previous (K)
Yeppers other then a dielectric er spereld somewhat different but other then Aussies stuck back in 1950's era they sure are the same as Yanks

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doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,434

@374,319 (ashe)
that sentence though
the guy from the lobster topic
ha ha

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,436

@previous (doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ)
wot Lobster topic?

Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,441

The problem is not guns. The problem is our culture. There are plenty of countries, like Switzerland and Czech Republic, that have gun laws way more relaxed than the United States, but they have lower crime rates. There are also countries that have way tighter gun laws than the United States, but still have high levels of violent crime. Over the past 30 years or so, gun laws in the United States have remained mostly unchanged. It is no easier to get a gun now than it was 30 years ago, and yet these massacre shootings have increased, while regular gun crimes have decreased. So there is no correlation between gun laws and these massacres. That means we need to look at what problems in our culture are causing these problems. I'd bet that it has more to do with socio-economic changes in our country, wealth disparity, the disappearing of the middle class and a shitty economy, coupled with the fact that many people do not have access to proper mental health care, and the fact that psychiatry and mental health care are not taken seriously enough.

You could take away guns completely and this psychopath could have committed the same act using a bunch of explosives and other weapons.

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 29 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #374,446

@previous (M)
Its been years since I brought this up online. Back as a teen I found it easy to get all the work after school I had time for. Fixing TV's was fun and educational but pay was shit and customers were just arwful to deal with. So I got a job with super flexible hours as a Supermarket clerk. Union wages including a union bonus for working part time. As if I could work full time re High School laffin.

Downside was the market was inside a mall which closed at 9PM so I got a 2nd job at a small liquor store. Stocking the chiller and doing deliveries to some weird parties every night.

tl;dr/

First year at Liquor store I was held up at gun point 7 or 9 times depending on do you count a gun you could not see as maybe a finger inside a coat? Was jumped from behind with attempt to hit me over the head but the robber slipped and fell to the pavement. Had a gun on me for about 10 minutes while I was stocking the cooler and never noticed the gunman with the shaking gun who was yelling at me. Could not hear him over the inside fans. Only told my mom about the first robbery because she would have pulled my ass off that really great job. Owner was a high school teacher who tutored me during slow times so my history grades went to the max.

Guns on me including being shot at except the gun barrel was bent or something of that order and backfired and almost blew off the shoulder of the Russian who tried to kill me. I had no clue he was trying to hurt me. I ended up sewing one artery closed nor can I put a button on a shirt these days. Great US Marine first aid training using pigs to learn how to suture.

Even guns by military/Cops on me in Mexico. I do NOT LIKE Guns. Took all the US Marine rifle range training and passed. Only once went rabbit hunting with friends and when I had one lined up I missed on purpose at last moment. I DID HOWEVER GET THAT MAJOR RUSH Will never forget that feeling hunting gives one.

Switzerland??????? Really????? I mean you do know guns at home do NOT have any ammunition. Not for over a decade n half. Great country to ski in but few Swiss can afford to live inside their own country.

The bomb or knife argument does not fly. I used to build bombs n explosives as a kiddlet. Its NOT easy to do and has a hard as hell learning curve n mistrakes happen.

ritten while working on n off over a 10 min period so excuse mish mash text

Anonymous M replied with this 14 years ago, 19 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #374,675

@previous (Syntax)
Just fucking die already.

Syntax (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #374,760

@previous (M)
I had so fucking much fun with work n play today so I will do you a huge favor and continue to live. I know you are into BDSM so this is the least I can do for you.

PS Made some cold hard cash in after market stock trade n have one more house all leased out fully furnished and when I say fully furnished I mean napkin holders to TVs in every room including bathrooms.
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