Topic: A lot of Christian organizations believe that there is a "War on Christmas"
buspup !!x+kkCmnF4 started this discussion 14 years ago #23,765
They tell people to boycott certain companies that say things like "Happy Holidays" instead of Merry Christmas. Well, now they have a conundrum. Their golden company Chick Fil A has just released this ad.What will they ever do?
Their Naughty list of anti Christmas companies
http://www.lc.org/index.cfm?PID=17981
Chick Fil A holiday press release
http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/files/2012/11/2012-Holiday-Promo.pdf
Cathy !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 31 minutes later[^] [v] #370,468
That's like every known store in the US.
Are their children not going to get any Christmas presents this year?
Are their children not going to get any Christmas presents this year?
buspup !!x+kkCmnF4 (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 11 minutes later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #370,471
@previous (Cathy !TGirlYJKXM)
I don't know how they plan to get around this. Maybe only shop at Christian Fellowship stores?
I don't know how they plan to get around this. Maybe only shop at Christian Fellowship stores?
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #370,493
I can get hating political correctness on a personal level, but why would a company not be publicly neutral and inoffensive?
buspup !!x+kkCmnF4 (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #370,494
@previous (advi !!3gpAcg/hF)
I don't know, it just really seems to offend these hard line Christians. They don't like it when people say holiday, because it implies that other holidays are just as important as Christmas, I guess.
I don't know, it just really seems to offend these hard line Christians. They don't like it when people say holiday, because it implies that other holidays are just as important as Christmas, I guess.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 5 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #370,575
@previous (buspup !!x+kkCmnF4)
They don't like it when people use their cultural symbols without recognizing their culture. For example, using Christmas trees, using traditional Christmas Christian colors, &c., without mentioning Christmas.
They don't like it when people use their cultural symbols without recognizing their culture. For example, using Christmas trees, using traditional Christmas Christian colors, &c., without mentioning Christmas.
buspup !!x+kkCmnF4 (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #370,577
@previous (D)
How is that not recognizing their culture? If a whole ad is Christmas themed, and just throws out a Happy Holidays to hint that other celebrations exist, that's still very much a Christmas ad. Also the true origins of Christmas are either pagan customs, or Marketing campaigns.
How is that not recognizing their culture? If a whole ad is Christmas themed, and just throws out a Happy Holidays to hint that other celebrations exist, that's still very much a Christmas ad. Also the true origins of Christmas are either pagan customs, or Marketing campaigns.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #370,593
@previous (buspup !!x+kkCmnF4)
It does not hint that other holidays exist. Simultaneously the culture is acknowledged yet denied, and a people dispossessed.
It does not hint that other holidays exist. Simultaneously the culture is acknowledged yet denied, and a people dispossessed.
buspup !!x+kkCmnF4 (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 33 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #370,599
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #370,680
@previous (buspup !!x+kkCmnF4)
It does no such thing. It leaves the number of holidays unspecified, and if it only uses the cultural trappings of one holiday, it implies there is only one holiday.
It does no such thing. It leaves the number of holidays unspecified, and if it only uses the cultural trappings of one holiday, it implies there is only one holiday.
Cathy !TGirlYJKXM replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #370,714
Will Christmas someday become so capitalized that it starts to become a universal holiday celebrated by everyone instead of just Pagans or Christians?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 16 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #370,719
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,836
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,837
@370,680 (D)
I'd say bringing light covered trees into homes, is much more symbolic of the winter solstice than Christmas. Look at the Nativity story. It has nothing to do with Santa, or Christmas trees.
I'd say bringing light covered trees into homes, is much more symbolic of the winter solstice than Christmas. Look at the Nativity story. It has nothing to do with Santa, or Christmas trees.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,903
@previous (A)
The tree isn't symbolic of anything. It just evolved from Germanic customs in the Middle Ages, and eventually spread throughout Europe and to the United States, and then worldwide.
Yet it is undeniably a cultural tradition associated with Christmas. You could not rationally argue that Christmas trees are not part of Christmas celebrations.
The tree isn't symbolic of anything. It just evolved from Germanic customs in the Middle Ages, and eventually spread throughout Europe and to the United States, and then worldwide.
Yet it is undeniably a cultural tradition associated with Christmas. You could not rationally argue that Christmas trees are not part of Christmas celebrations.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,907
@previous (D)
It symbolizes rebirth, and the regrowth of spring vegetation. It has no relation to Jesus, or the Nativity. It's now being used for an increasingly secular, and consumerist holiday. You can spout off that "Jesus is the reason for the season" (They actually don't believe that he was born in winter at all) but if you hang up pagan shrubbage, and display Santa instead of the messiah, you can no longer claim that its a religious holiday.
It symbolizes rebirth, and the regrowth of spring vegetation. It has no relation to Jesus, or the Nativity. It's now being used for an increasingly secular, and consumerist holiday. You can spout off that "Jesus is the reason for the season" (They actually don't believe that he was born in winter at all) but if you hang up pagan shrubbage, and display Santa instead of the messiah, you can no longer claim that its a religious holiday.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 22 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,916
@previous (A)
It actually doesn't. There is no evidence that the tree was adopted for that symbolism. The earliest evidence is that guilds used to decorate trees with treats for children as part of regional tradition that eventually spread nationally and internationally.
The relation is, of course, that they used to display these trees on Christmas Day.
Now this cultural tradition is being reappropriated without attribution, and people are feeling dispossessed.
You can not rationally argue that Christ Jesus is not the reason we celebrate Christ Mass, in honor of His birth.
Queen Elizabeth II was not born on the Queen's Official Birthday, yet no one would deny that Her Majesty is the reason we celebrate this date.
Plants are irreligious. They are neither Pagan nor Christian.
Santa Claus is the modern derivation of the 4th century bishop St Nicholas, who was renowned for his gifts to the poor. This became Sinterklaas, and finally Santa Claus. I will celebrate my religious rites in the traditions of my culture, and continue to call it religious.
A irreligious holy day? Impossible.
It actually doesn't. There is no evidence that the tree was adopted for that symbolism. The earliest evidence is that guilds used to decorate trees with treats for children as part of regional tradition that eventually spread nationally and internationally.
The relation is, of course, that they used to display these trees on Christmas Day.
Now this cultural tradition is being reappropriated without attribution, and people are feeling dispossessed.
You can not rationally argue that Christ Jesus is not the reason we celebrate Christ Mass, in honor of His birth.
Queen Elizabeth II was not born on the Queen's Official Birthday, yet no one would deny that Her Majesty is the reason we celebrate this date.
Plants are irreligious. They are neither Pagan nor Christian.
Santa Claus is the modern derivation of the 4th century bishop St Nicholas, who was renowned for his gifts to the poor. This became Sinterklaas, and finally Santa Claus. I will celebrate my religious rites in the traditions of my culture, and continue to call it religious.
A irreligious holy day? Impossible.
Syntax in Redux Mode joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,919
http://www.hulu.com/watch/1373 (pardon shitty commercial)
''On Christmas Eve the Gentiles gather
'Round the Christmas tree
They stay at home and party with
Their Goyishe family
They disappear one day each year
And pass the egg nog 'round
But it's all right, 'cause that's the night
The Jews control the town.''
''Well it happens every year on Christmas Eve
All the happy Christian people take their leave
Yeah, the streets are deserted, and that's big news
It's Christmastime for the Jews.''
''Yeah, the holiday party starts 'bout 6 PM
Ain't nobody recreating Bethlehem
Yeah, the Three Wise Men, that's a big ol' snooze
Christmastime for the Jews."
They can finally see King Kong without waiting in line
They can eat in Chinatown and drink their sweet-ass wine
They can crank Barbara Streisand on the streets they cruise
Christmastime for the Jews.''
''They can gang up on the Quakers,
Play for the Lakers,
They can do what they wanna,
Even blow off Madonna
Get a chance to drive a tractor,
Win on Fear Factor,
See Fiddler on the Roof with actual Jewish actors ...''
''Now they really get the party going after dark
Circumcising grateful squirrels in the city park
Picking fights in the bar knowing they can't lose
Christmastime for the Jews.''
''Now it's nearly 10:30, yes it's time for bed
"Daily Show" reruns dancing in their head."
Maybe next year they'll learn to hold their booze.''
''Christmastime for the Jews
Christmastime for the Jews (Don't ya see now ...)
Christmastime for the Jews.''
''On Christmas Eve the Gentiles gather
'Round the Christmas tree
They stay at home and party with
Their Goyishe family
They disappear one day each year
And pass the egg nog 'round
But it's all right, 'cause that's the night
The Jews control the town.''
''Well it happens every year on Christmas Eve
All the happy Christian people take their leave
Yeah, the streets are deserted, and that's big news
It's Christmastime for the Jews.''
''Yeah, the holiday party starts 'bout 6 PM
Ain't nobody recreating Bethlehem
Yeah, the Three Wise Men, that's a big ol' snooze
Christmastime for the Jews."
They can finally see King Kong without waiting in line
They can eat in Chinatown and drink their sweet-ass wine
They can crank Barbara Streisand on the streets they cruise
Christmastime for the Jews.''
''They can gang up on the Quakers,
Play for the Lakers,
They can do what they wanna,
Even blow off Madonna
Get a chance to drive a tractor,
Win on Fear Factor,
See Fiddler on the Roof with actual Jewish actors ...''
''Now they really get the party going after dark
Circumcising grateful squirrels in the city park
Picking fights in the bar knowing they can't lose
Christmastime for the Jews.''
''Now it's nearly 10:30, yes it's time for bed
"Daily Show" reruns dancing in their head."
Maybe next year they'll learn to hold their booze.''
''Christmastime for the Jews
Christmastime for the Jews (Don't ya see now ...)
Christmastime for the Jews.''
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 18 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,920
@370,916 (D)
What? You don't believe that pagans brought trees, and boughs, and wreaths into their homes in order to symbolize rebirth during a time of snow and darkness? They never displayed trees at other festivals that existed before Christmas? You seem like a very dishonest person. How are trees connected to Christ at all? Most of our Christmas traditions have nothing to do with Jesus, and everything to do with gifts, and decorations, and food.
Religion has tainted you, and turned you into a very dishonest person. Shameful.
What? You don't believe that pagans brought trees, and boughs, and wreaths into their homes in order to symbolize rebirth during a time of snow and darkness? They never displayed trees at other festivals that existed before Christmas? You seem like a very dishonest person. How are trees connected to Christ at all? Most of our Christmas traditions have nothing to do with Jesus, and everything to do with gifts, and decorations, and food.
Religion has tainted you, and turned you into a very dishonest person. Shameful.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #370,926
@previous (A)
> What? You don't believe that pagans brought trees, and boughs, and wreaths into their homes in order to symbolize rebirth during a time of snow and darkness? They never displayed trees at other festivals that existed before Christmas?
I don't deny this. What is your point?
> You seem like a very dishonest person.
You realize this board doesn't display double spacing?
> How are trees connected to Christ at all?
I've just explained to you that the trees aren't symbolic of anything. Are you really so daft?
> Most of our Christmas traditions have nothing to do with Jesus, and everything to do with gifts, and decorations, and food.
Over a month of different Christian celebrations have been somewhat merged into the modern celebration of Christmas.
> Religion has tainted you, and turned you into a very dishonest person. Shameful.
Show; don't tell. Your arguments have no substance.
> What? You don't believe that pagans brought trees, and boughs, and wreaths into their homes in order to symbolize rebirth during a time of snow and darkness? They never displayed trees at other festivals that existed before Christmas?
I don't deny this. What is your point?
> You seem like a very dishonest person.
You realize this board doesn't display double spacing?
> How are trees connected to Christ at all?
I've just explained to you that the trees aren't symbolic of anything. Are you really so daft?
> Most of our Christmas traditions have nothing to do with Jesus, and everything to do with gifts, and decorations, and food.
Over a month of different Christian celebrations have been somewhat merged into the modern celebration of Christmas.
> Religion has tainted you, and turned you into a very dishonest person. Shameful.
Show; don't tell. Your arguments have no substance.