Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,633
Abortion is constitutionally a state issue. As President he would like to return the power to the states. As Governor he would not like to criminalize abortion.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,636
@previous (B)
Women have the right to choose in 50 out of 50 states. How can he overturn Roe v. Wade but still protect women's right to choose in all 50 states?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,638
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,640
@previous (A)
That is obviously the answer. I'm just curious to see what sort of mental gymnastics MM will have to do this time to make these two obviously contradictory statements not contradictory.
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Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,642
@367,636 (G)
He was running for Governor of Massachusetts. He was promising to not criminalize abortion in that state only.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,644
@367,640 (G)
So basically, women should only have the right to choose in that state.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,645
@367,640 (G)
He also wanted to defund Planned Parenthood. Because you know what cuts down on abortions? Taking away poor peoples birth control!
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,647
"I think I've said time and again that I'm a pro-life candidate and I'll be a pro-life president. The actions I'll take immediately is to remove funding for Planned Parenthood."
Mitt Romney on October 10, 2012
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,648
He announced his support for the Blunt amendment, a bill that was introduced to restrict access to birth control by allowing any employer the right to deny health insurance coverage for any benefit based on a “moral†conviction. Governor Romney is on the wrong side of the public on this issue: 67 percent of American voters opposed this measure. He has aggressively supported this stance, even launching a petition against the Health and Human Services ruling to include birth control as basic preventive care.
Anonymous A (OP) quintuple-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,649
Romney once commented that the landmark case of Griswold v. Connecticut — which overruled the state’s right to ban contraception nearly 50 years ago — was wrong, proving just how dangerous he is on women’s health issues.
Anonymous A (OP) sextuple-posted this 14 years ago, 27 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,651
When asked where he would tell the millions of women to go if he eliminated federal funding for Planned Parenthood, Romney said: “Well they can go wherever they’d like to go. This is a free society.†Seems to us, Romney’s saying women can go wherever they’d like as long as it’s not Planned Parenthood. What Romney fails to understand and what we’re seeing happen in states like Texas and Tennessee is that in certain places Planned Parenthood is the ONLY provider for women. Getting “rid of†Planned Parenthood which he seems so apt to do, is detrimental to the nearly three million patients who rely on their health centers for lifesaving cancer screenings, well-woman exams, and birth control.
Anonymous A (OP) septuple-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,653
"Absolutely." (Response when asked by Mike Huckabee whether he would support "life at conception" constitutional amendment like that of Mississippi.)
Anonymous A (OP) octuple-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,654
When you read these quotes and listen to the audio, three patterns sink in. First, everything Romney says on the conference call is the opposite of what he said in the debates. In the debates, Romney pledged to “make it easier for kids to afford college†and bragged that as governor, he had given students “four years tuition free to the college of your choice.†On the call, he depicts college loan assistance as a bribe. In the debates, Romney labeled Obamacare a big-government mandate that would force everyone to buy a product, would cost 20 million people their health insurance, and would raise every family’s premiums by $2,500 a year. On the call, he describes Obamacare as “free health care†worth $10,000 per family. In the debates, Romney claimed that “under my plan … young people are able to stay on their family plan.†On the call, he brushes off this idea as a “gift†used by Obama to buy votes. In the debates, Romney said “every woman in America should have access to contraceptives.†On the call, he caricatures Obama’s policy—that insurance plans must cover birth control for the premium payer—as “free contraceptives†for young women.
Anonymous A (OP) nonuple-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,655
Earlier in his campaign, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney took a clear stand on the issue of contraception coverage by stating that he would support legislation that allowed all employers to refuse to cover employees' birth control for moral reasons. But lately, when Romney is pressed on that particular stance, he dodges the question in a way that gives the impression he has reversed his previous position.
"I just know that I don't think bureaucrats in Washington should tell someone whether they can use contraceptives or not, and I don't believe employers should tell someone whether they have contraceptive care or not," Romney said during Tuesday night's debate. "Every woman in America should have access to contraceptives and the president's statement on my policy is completely and totally wrong."
Romney's answer subtly changes the subject from insurance coverage of contraception to the more general issue of access to contraception, and it strategically leaves enough wiggle room for his campaign to say that his position has not changed. Romney campaign adviser Kerry Healey did exactly that in an interview with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell on Wednesday.
Romney did "not in any way" change his position, Healey said. "Governor Romney is both a strong supporter of religious freedom and also believes in access to contraception for American women."
Pressed on the details of the Blunt amendment, which would have allowed employers to refuse to cover birth control on moral grounds and which Romney previously said he would support, Healey changed the subject. "The question of whether or not we should force someone to give up their religious freedom to provide insurance coverage in some hypothetical situation is not really the point to most women out there," she said. "There are 5.5 million unemployed women in the country."
Romney also changed the subject on birth control earlier this month when a reporter for the Des Moines Register asked him if insurers should be required to cover it. "Well it’s a question as to, should you get a car painted, you know, red or blue," he said. "I mean you can decide which you’d like. People who want to have contraceptive health insurance can choose that in their policy. Those that don’t have -- that choose not to can buy a policy with or without." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/17/mitt-romney-contraception_n_1974752.html
Anonymous A (OP) decuple-posted this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,657
DELAWARE, Ohio – A little more than 24 hours after he told an Iowa newspaper that abortion legislation would not be part of his agenda if elected, Mitt Romney told reporters today that he would “immediately†move to defund Planned Parenthood.
“I’ve said time and time again, I’m a pro-life candidate,†Romney told reporters during a stop at a restaurant in Ohio today. “I’ll be a pro-life president. The actions I’ll take immediately are to remove funding for Planned Parenthood. It will not be part of my budget.
“And also, I’ve indicated I’ll reverse the Mexico City position of the president,†Romney added. “I will reinstate the Mexico City policy.â€
Shortly after taking office in 2009, President Obama signed an executive order reversing the “Mexico City policy,†which prohibited funding to international family planning groups that provided abortions. It essentially barred recipients of U.S. foreign aid from promoting abortion as a method of family planning.
Romney frequently touted his desire to defund Planned Parenthood, an organization that provides abortions and other services to women, during the Republican primary.
He added during a debate in January that he’d like to see Roe v. Wade overturned, referring to the 1973 Supreme Court ruling that made abortion legal.
Anonymous A (OP) undecuple-posted this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,659
Paul Ryan
He was a cosponsor of the Sanctity of Human Life Act, a federal bill defining fertilized eggs as human beings, which, if passed, would criminalize some forms of birth control and in vitro fertilization. The National Right to Life Committee has scored his voting record 100 percent every year since he entered the House in 1999. “I’m as pro-life as a person gets,†he told The Weekly Standard’s John McCormack in 2010. “You’re not going to have a truce.â€
Indeed, Ryan exemplifies a strange sort of ideological hybrid that now dominates the GOP. On economic issues, he’s a hardcore libertarian who once said, “[T]he reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker…it would be Ayn Rand. And the fight we are in here, make no mistake about it, is a fight of individualism versus collectivism.â€
Yet when it comes to women’s control of their bodies, he quickly turns into a statist. “In the state of nature—the ‘law of the jungle’—the determination of who ‘qualifies’ as a human being is left to private individuals or chosen groups,†he wrote in a 2010 essay titled “The Cause of Life Can’t Be Severed From the Cause of Freedom.†“In a justly organized community, however, government exists to secure the right to life and the other human rights that follow from that primary right.â€
Anonymous A (OP) duodecuple-posted this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,660
@previous (A)
One part of Mitt Romney’s new fiscal plan that’s gotten less notice is his proposal to eliminate Title X, the only federal program devoted to family planning. This wades into an issue that has challenged congressional Republicans — and one that none of Romney’s competitors have touched.
Mitt Romney (Elaine Thompson - Associated Press)
Created in 1970 during the Nixon years, Title X covers reproductive health services like birth control, STD screenings, and cervical-cancer exams. In 2008, the program reached about 5 million Americans, mostly women. While the program does provide funds to abortion providers, such as Planned Parenthood, federal law bars the program from covering abortion procedures.
Title X has proved a tricky issue for the GOP in this Congress. Many Republicans support the idea of federal funding for reproductive health services. That includes Rep. Mike Pence, an ardent anti-abortion advocate who has pushed aggressively to end Planned Parenthood’s funding. “I’ve never advocated reducing funding for Title X,†Pence told an Indiana radio station earlier this year. “Title X clinics do important work in our inner cities. They provide health services for women and children that might not otherwise have access to them.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,662
@367,642 (B)
Crikey mate, looks like you've been beat. :o
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 31 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,677
Paul Ryan teamed up with Todd (womens bodies can just shut that down)Akin, for this bill. Remember how you said that Todd Akin wasnt lying,but just ignorant of the truth? lol
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,678
Hey MM, did you know that Romney made some of his blood money off of a company that picks up dead fetuses from abortion clinics, and treats them like medical waste? Why arent they giving them proper burials?
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,680
Hey MM, did you know that one of Mitten's relatives died from an illegal abortion?
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 55 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,682
@367,678 (A)
LOL Were they baptizing the fetuses before disposing of them?
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,683
@previous (H)
Nope, just treating them like garbage. Is that hypocritical MM? Calling every fertilized egg life, but treating dead fetuses like pig food?
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,684
@previous (A)
Sorry bp, I'm not MM. Just thought I'd pop in to poke some fun at Mormons baptizing the dead.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,685
Hey MM, did you know that he Sanctity of Life Act would criminalize in vitro fertilization. Who used in vitro fertilization? Romneys son Tagg!
In May, Romney's son Tagg became father of twin boys thanks to help from IVF and a surrogate mother. Tagg's son Jonathan was also produced this way. Two of Tagg's brothers reportedly have struggled with infertility issues and resorted to IVF as well. It's hard to imagine that Romney will score any points with voters by tapping a running mate whose anti-abortion views are so extreme that Romney's own kids can't live with them.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 41 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,686
@367,684 (H)
lol I know. I was just building on your post.
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,687
@367,662 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Howso? No one has even replied to me.
Anonymous B double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,688
@367,678 (A)
How does this even follow? Why are burials proper?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,689
@previous (B)
How are they proper? Arent these fetuses, full humans who deserve proper Christian burials?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,690
Hey MM, did you know that Mitt (marriage is between one man and one woman) Romney's father was born in Mexico because his family was a polygamist group on the run?
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 14 years ago, 36 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,691
None of this seems hypocritical? Thats interesting.
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,693
Hey MM, is it okay to be a war hawk, and also a draft dodger?
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,694
@367,680 (A)
No, I didn't. Very murky story. I wonder if now that Romney's presidential aspirations are finished more will come out about that story.
Anonymous B double-posted this 14 years ago, 53 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,695
@367,683 (A) > treating living things like they're alive > treating dead things like they're dead
where's the hypocrisy?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 21 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,696
A tldr recap
Romney against in vitro for everyone but his children
Romney calls fetuses humans, but gets paid from treating them like garbage
Romney wants to amend the Constitution to state that marriage is between one man, and one woman, but his own family practiced polygamy.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 30 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,698
@367,695 (B)
He's not treating them like dead humans, is he?
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,699
@367,691 (A)
Does protecting a woman's right to choose necessarily require believing abortion is protected by the Constitution?
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 29 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,700
@367,685 (A)
It wouldn't criminalize IVF. It would criminalize certain practices associated with IVF.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 42 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,702
How does Romney feel about government bail outs?
The Final Bill was: 2.7 Billion Dollars given to Romney by George Bush, the then, President to complete the Games which was grossly over-budget from the initial costs.
The taxpayer saved the Olympic Games from what was corruption, greed and misappropriations of funds.
Mitt Romney failed to gather support from corporation sponsors to swing the costs to private businesses, which is one of the qualities he boasts about in his run for the 2012 Presidential Election. Had that been true, the taxpayer would not have been footing the bill for the entire project.
Anonymous B triple-posted this 14 years ago, 37 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,705
@367,693 (A)
It's not okay to be a war hawk regardless. The draft is wrong and I applaud anyone who dodged it.
Anonymous B quadruple-posted this 14 years ago, 41 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,706
@367,698 (A)
I don't know. How are dead humans treated?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,710
@367,703 (B)
The concept of proper burial doesnt exist?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 59 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,711
@367,704 (B)
Why is marriage for only two people for everyone else but the Romney's?
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 14 years ago, 23 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,712
@367,705 (B)
He's and war hawk, and a draft dodger. Very interesting.
Anonymous A (OP) quadruple-posted this 14 years ago, 27 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,713
@367,700 (B)
Practices that he paid for his own children to enjoy?
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Anonymous A (OP) quintuple-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,714
MM, why does Romney seek to ban, or outlaw so many things that he has benefited from? Is it because he believes that rich people should not follow the rules that they themselves work to promote?
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Anonymous A (OP) sextuple-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,717
Question for the forum. Who makes religion look worse, Romney or Mountainman?
Anonymous A (OP) septuple-posted this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,722
What does Paul (Ayn Rand) Ryan feel about government bailouts?
Anonymous B quintuple-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,730
@367,722 (A)
That money was being spent, regardless. Why should he work to have it spent in his district?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 42 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,731
@367,729 (B)
what?! He doesnt follow his own princples! This is what religion does to people folks. Turns them into weaselly, amoral hypocrites.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,732
@367,730 (B)
Oh wow. He'll preach against such things, but beg for money himself. Once again, religious and filthy rich scumbags doing the complete opposite of what they claim to believe.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,734
Serious question for a moment. Do you think that religious people try and legislate against their own practices, because they lack self control, and hope to save themselves from continuing a certain behavior? Is that why so many ex gays, or anti gay religious figures end up getting caught cock in hand?
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 16 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,742
@367,731 (A) > He doesnt follow his own princples!
Elaborate.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,745
@previous (B)
Speaking out against bail outs/accepting them
Trying to stop in vitro fertilization/ paying for his children to use them
Pushing forth a war mentality and trying to give more funds to an already bloated war machine/ refusing to serve
Claims to hate abortion, and wants to outlaw them/ makes money by helping abortion clinics to dispose of dead fetuses.
Claimed to have saved Olympics/accepted billions when he couldnt raise funds
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Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,747
@367,732 (A)
He preaches against the money being spent in the first place. Since it is going to be spent, he wants it to benefit his constituents.
What don't you understand?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,748
@previous (B)
Preaches against money being spent/spends money. lololololol I love Mormons.
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,751
@367,745 (A) > Speaking out against bail outs/accepting them
He was opposed to the money being spent. But if it is going to be spent, he wants some.
> Trying to stop in vitro fertilization/ paying for his children to use them
He's not opposed to IVF, only certain practices. I have already corrected you on this, very dishonest.
> Claims to hate abortion, and wants to outlaw them/ makes money by helping abortion clinics to dispose of dead fetuses.
Where's the hypocrisy?
Anonymous B double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,753
@367,748 (A)
I can't tell if you are actually retarded or just trolling. He wants the Congress to not spend money. The Congress votes to spend money. He says, well if you're going to spend it, spend it here.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,755
@previous (B)
He wanted to give the army money that they didnt even ask for. If I was against money being spent, than I wouldnt take any of that money!
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,757
@367,751 (B)
Certain practices happen when you perform in vitro, they performed in vitro, and so used those practices. Its cute how he wanted to outlaw these things, after he already benefited from them.
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Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 15 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,763
@367,755 (A)
He's not against military spending though
Anonymous B double-posted this 14 years ago, 19 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#367,764