Topic: Atlas shrugged movie?
postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ started this discussion 14 years ago #22,737
Are you gonna see it?
Did you read the book? (did you like it?)
What are your thoughts on objectivism?
Paul Ryan is a Rand fanboy, if she were alive today, what do you think she would have to say about him, and the republican party as it stands today?
Did you read the book? (did you like it?)
What are your thoughts on objectivism?
Paul Ryan is a Rand fanboy, if she were alive today, what do you think she would have to say about him, and the republican party as it stands today?
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later[^] [v] #356,486
> ideological extremistspostmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #356,488
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I think you have to start at an extreme in order to cultivate a more rational/well rounded view point.
I think you have to start at an extreme in order to cultivate a more rational/well rounded view point.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #356,491
@previous (postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
There's nothing rational about extremists. That's an oxymoron, ya dunce.
There's nothing rational about extremists. That's an oxymoron, ya dunce.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 29 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #356,493
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #356,494
@previous (C)
You can't be rational and extreme. It's an oxymoron. Furthermore, rationality has never arisen from extremism. If you think there's any decent argument to support radical teabagger ideology, feel free to spend your time enlightening everyone. I have better things to do than argue with kids about politics. I mean that in the nicest way possible. <3
You can't be rational and extreme. It's an oxymoron. Furthermore, rationality has never arisen from extremism. If you think there's any decent argument to support radical teabagger ideology, feel free to spend your time enlightening everyone. I have better things to do than argue with kids about politics. I mean that in the nicest way possible. <3
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,509
@356,488 (postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
> I think you have to start at an extreme in order to cultivate a more rational/well rounded view point.
It's important to understand the motivation behind extremist views (and all views, really) before you can critique them or examine their merit against the larger political landscape. I don't think you necessarily have to embrace them do to that though.
> I think you have to start at an extreme in order to cultivate a more rational/well rounded view point.
It's important to understand the motivation behind extremist views (and all views, really) before you can critique them or examine their merit against the larger political landscape. I don't think you necessarily have to embrace them do to that though.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 48 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,520
Can someone please tell me the storyline for this book? I've never read it,and am not sure what objectivisn is.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,521
@previous (E)
The book explores a dogmatic dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike. The refusal evokes the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry.
The novel's title is a reference to Atlas, a Titan of Greek mythology, who in the novel is described as "the giant who holds the world on his shoulders". The significance of this reference is seen in a conversation between the characters Francisco d'Anconia and Hank Rearden, in which d'Anconia asks Rearden what sort of advice he would give to Atlas upon seeing that "the greater [the titan's] effort, the heavier the world bore down on his shoulders". With Rearden unable to answer, d'Anconia gives his own response: "To shrug".
The theme of Atlas Shrugged, as Rand described it, is "the role of man's mind in existence". The book explores a number of philosophical themes that Rand would subsequently develop into the philosophy of Objectivism. It advocates the core tenets of Rand's philosophy of Objectivism and expresses her concept of human achievement. In doing so, it expresses many facets of Rand's philosophy, such as the advocacy of reason, individualism, capitalism, and the failures of government coercion.
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The book explores a dogmatic dystopian United States where many of society's most productive citizens refuse to be exploited by increasing taxation and government regulations and go on strike. The refusal evokes the imagery of what would happen if the mythological Atlas refused to continue to hold up the world. They are led by John Galt. Galt describes the strike as "stopping the motor of the world" by withdrawing the minds that drive society's growth and productivity. In their efforts, these people "of the mind" hope to demonstrate that a world in which the individual is not free to create is doomed, that civilization cannot exist where every person is a slave to society and government, and that the destruction of the profit motive leads to the collapse of society. The protagonist, Dagny Taggart, sees society collapse around her as the government increasingly asserts control over all industry.
The novel's title is a reference to Atlas, a Titan of Greek mythology, who in the novel is described as "the giant who holds the world on his shoulders". The significance of this reference is seen in a conversation between the characters Francisco d'Anconia and Hank Rearden, in which d'Anconia asks Rearden what sort of advice he would give to Atlas upon seeing that "the greater [the titan's] effort, the heavier the world bore down on his shoulders". With Rearden unable to answer, d'Anconia gives his own response: "To shrug".
The theme of Atlas Shrugged, as Rand described it, is "the role of man's mind in existence". The book explores a number of philosophical themes that Rand would subsequently develop into the philosophy of Objectivism. It advocates the core tenets of Rand's philosophy of Objectivism and expresses her concept of human achievement. In doing so, it expresses many facets of Rand's philosophy, such as the advocacy of reason, individualism, capitalism, and the failures of government coercion.
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postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 57 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,530
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,532
No.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,545
@356,494 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
> You can't be rational and extreme. It's an oxymoron.
No, it isn't lol. Do you actually not know the meanings of those words or are you just trolling?
> You can't be rational and extreme. It's an oxymoron.
No, it isn't lol. Do you actually not know the meanings of those words or are you just trolling?
doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,563
bioshock > ayn rand things
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,571
@previous (doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ)
lol but the world in bioshock was a disastor. people have almost turned this book into a religion.
lol but the world in bioshock was a disastor. people have almost turned this book into a religion.
doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 14 years ago, 5 hours later, 17 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,609
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #356,669
@previous (doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ)
Don't get me wrong, I love the games. I just meant that in the Bioshick world, objectivism didnt work out very well for the inhabitants.
Don't get me wrong, I love the games. I just meant that in the Bioshick world, objectivism didnt work out very well for the inhabitants.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,683
> expect mountainman to shit up the thread
> get mountainman shitting up the thread
> get mountainman shitting up the thread
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 12 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,740
Anonymous J double-posted this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,742
Ayn Rand would totally rape Paul Ryan. She could not resist that gym rat body or that big swinging cock of his. Plus, he has power, which is what really makes an objectivist woman's pussy wet.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 44 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,749
@356,740 (J)
Does everyone consider communism to be rational?
Not at all.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=571743
@previous (J)
Ryan claiming to subscribe to Ayn Rand's ideology is ludicrous. Ryan used social security money to attend college and then went almost immediately to work for the government. Ryan has lived of the government tit most of his adult life. Ryan wants to talk about personal responsibility? Fucking hilarious. Hell, even Ayn Rand lived off of social security in her later years...
Does everyone consider communism to be rational?
Not at all.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=571743
Is Communism a rationalist or a romantic ideology?
Romantic. As is true Capitalism. Neither can exist in their pure forms. At least not in the world as it is today (and I am hard pressed to imagine them working at all no matter how much you idealize society). Both are romantic ideals and their adherents, those who believe in their pure forms, are akin to religious fundamentalists. Each, left to themselves, have severe problems and produce horridly undesirable results.
@previous (J)
Ryan claiming to subscribe to Ayn Rand's ideology is ludicrous. Ryan used social security money to attend college and then went almost immediately to work for the government. Ryan has lived of the government tit most of his adult life. Ryan wants to talk about personal responsibility? Fucking hilarious. Hell, even Ayn Rand lived off of social security in her later years...
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,750
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
This idea of your's that rationality and extremism are mutually exclusive concepts is funny to me.
What say you in cases where extremism is the rationally effective means to a rationally desirable end?
This idea of your's that rationality and extremism are mutually exclusive concepts is funny to me.
What say you in cases where extremism is the rationally effective means to a rationally desirable end?
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,757
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,761
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postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 55 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,768
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #356,787
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,874
@OP
> Are you gonna see it?
no, because the first one was totally awful and this one is purportedly worse
> Did you read the book?
yes
> (did you like it?)
yes
> What are your thoughts on objectivism?
it has its heart in the right place but it's totally retarded
> Paul Ryan is a Rand fanboy, if she were alive today, what do you think she would have to say about him, and the republican party as it stands today?
idk she'd prolly think he was a fag and have a bunch of bitch words to say about the republican party that i wouldn't care abt
> Are you gonna see it?
no, because the first one was totally awful and this one is purportedly worse
> Did you read the book?
yes
> (did you like it?)
yes
> What are your thoughts on objectivism?
it has its heart in the right place but it's totally retarded
> Paul Ryan is a Rand fanboy, if she were alive today, what do you think she would have to say about him, and the republican party as it stands today?
idk she'd prolly think he was a fag and have a bunch of bitch words to say about the republican party that i wouldn't care abt
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Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 9 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,920
@356,761 (E)
Of course using welfare fits with objectivism. If something is there to be used, it's irrational not to use it.
Of course using welfare fits with objectivism. If something is there to be used, it's irrational not to use it.
doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,933
@356,669 (E)
i know, i was just saying bioshock's story beats ayn rand stories but it was quite the unserious fraud/scam post considering i have never even read any of her books
i know, i was just saying bioshock's story beats ayn rand stories but it was quite the unserious fraud/scam post considering i have never even read any of her books
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 31 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,936
@356,920 (J)> Objectivists reject any form of collectivism, such as fascism or socialism.
> until they realize they need it
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Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 22 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,943
Oh really? It seems like I've heard that they were against hand outs.
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,944
@356,933 (doctor dreamworks md !jdTkvovFCQ)
I'm currently replaying 2, and trying to get a perfect research score. I'm also trying not to use projectiles.
I'm currently replaying 2, and trying to get a perfect research score. I'm also trying not to use projectiles.
george carlin replied with this 14 years ago, 45 seconds later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,945
buspup !!x+kkCmnF4 replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,948
george carlin replied with this 14 years ago, 11 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,950
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,951
@356,943 (E)
They are against giving hand outs, not taking them.
More specifically they are against being forced to give hand outs. But they have no problem taking hand outs that were 'forcefully' taken.
They are against giving hand outs, not taking them.
More specifically they are against being forced to give hand outs. But they have no problem taking hand outs that were 'forcefully' taken.
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buspup !!x+kkCmnF4 replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #356,952
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 8 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #357,310
@356,943 (E)
They're against giving hand outs. Receiving them is another matter entirely. Losing money is objectively bad for them while gaining money is objectively good for them.
How is this complicated to you guys?
They're against giving hand outs. Receiving them is another matter entirely. Losing money is objectively bad for them while gaining money is objectively good for them.
How is this complicated to you guys?
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Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 29 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #357,311
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postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 55 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #357,322
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postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #357,347
@previous (I)
Notice how I said "good people", which means that I think ethically, you're right. I think highly of people who know how to share, I was only trying to make the point that society seems to favor the selfish. But again, I don't think that's right. Also I'm 18, and my parents are okay.
Notice how I said "good people", which means that I think ethically, you're right. I think highly of people who know how to share, I was only trying to make the point that society seems to favor the selfish. But again, I don't think that's right. Also I'm 18, and my parents are okay.
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Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 20 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #357,626
Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 1 day later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #357,996
Ayn Rand, batshit fucking crazy! But still smarter than Paul Ryan and fake rubber prick.