Topic: the upcoming execution of Johnathan Marcus Green
squeegee !firstkPE1Q started this discussion 14 years ago #22,536
Texas department of Criminal Justice has scheduled Green to execution on 10/10/12. Summary of Incident
On 06/21/2000, in Montgomery County, Texas, Green kidnapped a 12 year old white female from a private residence. Green took the victim to his residence, where he killed her by strangling her to death. The victim was also sexually assaulted. Green buried the victim in his backyard, then dug up the body and placed it inside the residence, behind a chair.
do you agree or disagree that he should be executed next week?
he'll be Texas' 10th for the year. clearly not a record breaker.
in 2000 Texas executed 40 people, but that was back in the hey day
in the late nineties when every year was a banner year
topping 35 executions.
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| Poll option | Votes | Percentage | Graph |
|---|---|---|---|
| i agree, execute him | 10 | 53% | |
| i disagree, but he'll be executed anyway. | 9 | 47% |
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #354,024
Texas does love executing minorities. The guy seems really mentally fucked up though. Was he declared insane?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #354,025
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #354,026
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
True. Well hopefully, the next time the average citizen thinks of raping and murdering a 12 year old girl, they will look back on this case and realize that it just isn't worth it.
True. Well hopefully, the next time the average citizen thinks of raping and murdering a 12 year old girl, they will look back on this case and realize that it just isn't worth it.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #354,027
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 33 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #354,034
Whomever voted against smoking that cockroach of a human, why?
Or do you think the other inmates need him for ass rape material.
Or do you think the other inmates need him for ass rape material.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 16 minutes later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #354,037
@previous (C)
a person can be against the death penalty as a moral principal without regard for their personal feelings towards the individual.
but i haven't voted yet, so idk what the other guy was thinking.
a person can be against the death penalty as a moral principal without regard for their personal feelings towards the individual.
but i haven't voted yet, so idk what the other guy was thinking.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #354,038
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Agree in principle. Placing a bet that those people will kill cockroaches that invade their domicile.
Agree in principle. Placing a bet that those people will kill cockroaches that invade their domicile.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,073
Why bury rori?
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,130
> if someone does something bad they are clearly insane!!!#!@!
wtf is up with progressives saying this?
wtf is up with progressives saying this?
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,132
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,133
I'm not trying to get anarcholibertarian or holier-than-thou, but I just do not agree with fixation on bloodlust and punishment. I am less tolerant of killing in the name of government than I am of somebody's ridiculous choice to kill another person. I wish we did not devote so much energy toward so much suffering. Killing him will not absolve the pain he caused others. Killing him will not change those whose ethical and moral constructs already permit such violence.
I do appreciate that others are willing to put energy toward what they believe is right. I am not saying they are wrong. I simply feel I disagree with the legitimacy and purpose of the whole process and do not want to be part of it.
I do appreciate that others are willing to put energy toward what they believe is right. I am not saying they are wrong. I simply feel I disagree with the legitimacy and purpose of the whole process and do not want to be part of it.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,136
Anonymous F replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,138
@previous (G)
The bloodlust is strong with you. You seemed to have skimmed what I read and wrote a reactionary response. I'm not saying it's wrong.
I'm not going to have children. I am an outlier on a lot of the justifications, here.
The bloodlust is strong with you. You seemed to have skimmed what I read and wrote a reactionary response. I'm not saying it's wrong.
I'm not going to have children. I am an outlier on a lot of the justifications, here.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,139
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Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 6 seconds later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,143
@354,138 (F)
Calling it bloodlust is suggestive of it being wrong. Stop being a pussy and show some passion. If you're against it, be against it with passion, if you can't manage that then shut the fuck up and let the adults handle it.
Calling it bloodlust is suggestive of it being wrong. Stop being a pussy and show some passion. If you're against it, be against it with passion, if you can't manage that then shut the fuck up and let the adults handle it.
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squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 9 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,192
If i can find it i'll share with you what his last meal will be. I'll see if i can find out what his last week will be like. I'm not far from huntsville, i wonder if they'd let me talk to him if i went up to the prison. I wonder if he'll get many visitors this, his last week on earth.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #354,193
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Texas Prisons End Special Last Meals for Inmates After 'Ridiculous' Request
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-prisons-end-inmate-last-meal-requests-before-executions/#ixzz28FWxDCoZ
Man condemned for a notorious dragging death.
Lawrence Russell Brewer, who was executed for the hate crime slaying of James Byrd Jr. more than a decade ago, asked fortwo chicken fried steaks, a triple-meat bacon cheeseburger, fried okra, a pound of barbecue, three fajitas, a meat lover's pizza, a pint of ice cream and a slab of peanut butter fudge with crushed peanuts.
Prison officials said Brewer didn't eat any of it.
Good read re
Historical references to a condemned person's last meal go as far back as ancient Greece, China and Rome,
Some of it is apparently rooted in superstition about meals warding off possible haunting by condemned people once they are put to death.
Texas Prisons End Special Last Meals for Inmates After 'Ridiculous' Request
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-prisons-end-inmate-last-meal-requests-before-executions/#ixzz28FWxDCoZ
Man condemned for a notorious dragging death.
Lawrence Russell Brewer, who was executed for the hate crime slaying of James Byrd Jr. more than a decade ago, asked for
Prison officials said Brewer didn't eat any of it.
Good read re
Historical references to a condemned person's last meal go as far back as ancient Greece, China and Rome,
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 days later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,546
he's only got about 2 days left, you guys.Handle !tYHPZ2dvu6 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 16 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,549
Morally Im against executing ANYONE, but from a financial perspective it's a lot more cost effective to kill him now than live out a life sentence in a prison.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,550
@previous (Handle !tYHPZ2dvu6)
that's actually not true. the cost of execution is higher than life imprisonment. It costs the state many millions of dollars because there are several mandatory proceedings which occur, such as appeal, that raise the legal expense to that above life long imprisonment.
pretty cool, huh? we execute people despite it's high cost and questionable morality.
that's actually not true. the cost of execution is higher than life imprisonment. It costs the state many millions of dollars because there are several mandatory proceedings which occur, such as appeal, that raise the legal expense to that above life long imprisonment.
pretty cool, huh? we execute people despite it's high cost and questionable morality.
Handle !tYHPZ2dvu6 replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,551
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Ugh then let him rot in his cell you silly Americans.
At least us western Europeans are consistent with our idiocy.
Ugh then let him rot in his cell you silly Americans.
At least us western Europeans are consistent with our idiocy.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 59 seconds later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,552
@previous (Handle !tYHPZ2dvu6)
actually we're pretty consistent with it. to let him rot in his cell wouldn't be in keeping with american tradition.
actually we're pretty consistent with it. to let him rot in his cell wouldn't be in keeping with american tradition.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,553
@355,550 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)I say fry them. Where I live -
"Since reinstating the death penalty in 1978, California taxpayers have spent roughly $4 billion to fund a dysfunctional death penalty system that has carried out no more than 13 executions."
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/california-cost-study-2011
squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,554
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,567
@previous (C)
he originally wanted to line up ten people from death row on a reality type show where they compete to gain the votes of the audience.
last man left standing, well, he's left standing. in jail of course, but alive.
the costs of the other 9 executions would be fully covered by advertising sponsorship.
he originally wanted to line up ten people from death row on a reality type show where they compete to gain the votes of the audience.
last man left standing, well, he's left standing. in jail of course, but alive.
the costs of the other 9 executions would be fully covered by advertising sponsorship.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 11 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^] [v] #355,571
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)He is currently in self execution mode with his family. Book tour is selling books as family takes a dive off cliff.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 day later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #355,746
@previous (C)
Arnold is alpha as fuck. I challenge any of you to get as much out of life.
The family can fuck off. They're fucking ordinary people getting by on a blood relation.
Arnold is alpha as fuck. I challenge any of you to get as much out of life.
The family can fuck off. They're fucking ordinary people getting by on a blood relation.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^] [v] #355,747
http://www.news-journal.com/news/state/green-gets-stay-days-before-execution/article_31f84fc8-2499-544a-b32c-ee84a46595ac.html
Texas man gets stay 2 days before execution
Two days before his scheduled execution, a Montgomery man on Texas’ Death Row for the 2000 abduction, rape and strangulation murder of a 12-year-old Dobbin girl received a stay because he wasn’t given due process to prove he is mentally incompetent for execution, a federal judge ruled Monday.
Judge Nancy Atlas, in the Southern District of Texas, ruled that Jonathan Marcus Green, 44, who was convicted in 2002 for the murder of Christina LeAnn Neal, did not receive a fair opportunity to demonstrate that he is incompetent, “and thus the State of Texas denied him due process.â€
But the Texas Attorney General’s Office plans to file a motion today asking the U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals to vacate the stay.
Green is schizophrenic and “is not malingering,†said his appellate attorney, James Rytting.
“He is mentally ill ... and he’s only gotten worse after being stuck in administrative segregation,†Rytting said.
In her written opinion, Atlas notes that 221st state District Court Judge Lisa Michalk, who denied Green a stay two days before he was to be executed on June 30, 2010, applied incorrect legal standards by seeking to determine if there was a change in Green’s mental capacity since his imprisonment in 2002.
“The correct question was whether Green was presently competent, regardless of his comparative mental capacity between 2002 and 2010,†Atlas wrote.
Green understood that he was convicted of killing Christina and was to be executed for that crime, the basis for Michalk’s finding that he understood why he was being executed, Atlas wrote.
But Green believed he was to be executed as a result of “spiritual warfare†between demons and God, Atlas found, and Michalk prevented Green from presenting relevant evidence, denied Green due process.
Texas man gets stay 2 days before execution
Two days before his scheduled execution, a Montgomery man on Texas’ Death Row for the 2000 abduction, rape and strangulation murder of a 12-year-old Dobbin girl received a stay because he wasn’t given due process to prove he is mentally incompetent for execution, a federal judge ruled Monday.
Judge Nancy Atlas, in the Southern District of Texas, ruled that Jonathan Marcus Green, 44, who was convicted in 2002 for the murder of Christina LeAnn Neal, did not receive a fair opportunity to demonstrate that he is incompetent, “and thus the State of Texas denied him due process.â€
Green is schizophrenic and “is not malingering,†said his appellate attorney, James Rytting.
“He is mentally ill ... and he’s only gotten worse after being stuck in administrative segregation,†Rytting said.
In her written opinion, Atlas notes that 221st state District Court Judge Lisa Michalk, who denied Green a stay two days before he was to be executed on June 30, 2010, applied incorrect legal standards by seeking to determine if there was a change in Green’s mental capacity since his imprisonment in 2002.
“The correct question was whether Green was presently competent, regardless of his comparative mental capacity between 2002 and 2010,†Atlas wrote.
Green understood that he was convicted of killing Christina and was to be executed for that crime, the basis for Michalk’s finding that he understood why he was being executed, Atlas wrote.
But Green believed he was to be executed as a result of “spiritual warfare†between demons and God, Atlas found, and Michalk prevented Green from presenting relevant evidence, denied Green due process.