Topic: Romney under friendly fire for his response to embassy attack in Libya - Foot in Mouth
Anonymous A started this discussion 14 years ago #22,141
Will Mitt Romney's hasty response to the deadly attacks on the American diplomatic missions in Egypt and Libya go down as the misstep that doomed his campaign to unseat President Barack Obama?
1: Steve Schmidt, who managed John McCain's 2008 campaign, said that Romney's decision to stand behind his initial criticism of Obama could damage his image with voters.
2: Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, a top Romney surrogate, told National Journal's Major Garrett that the campaign "probably should have waited" to issue its response.
3: Condoleezza Rice, didn't embrace Romney's criticism against Obama.
4: William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, said that Romney could be setting a course to lose the election.
5: The National Review (Conservative Republican Rag) Today said - "Romney campaign seems to continuing in the assumption that you can beat something with nothing." The result is a theme less mush of a campaign that boils down to little more than “Vote for me because I’m not Barack Obama.â€
6: Just in from the National Review - Romney’s Losing Strategy. Mitt Romney really is not a man with a deeply ideological worldview. Simply put, playing not to lose rather than playing to win is a questionable strategy when you are ahead. When you are behind, it’s sure loser.
Icing on cake: Conservative radio host Laura Ingraham's suggestied Monday that if Romney can't beat Obama then the Republican Party should be "shut down.
1: Steve Schmidt, who managed John McCain's 2008 campaign, said that Romney's decision to stand behind his initial criticism of Obama could damage his image with voters.
2: Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu, a top Romney surrogate, told National Journal's Major Garrett that the campaign "probably should have waited" to issue its response.
3: Condoleezza Rice, didn't embrace Romney's criticism against Obama.
4: William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, said that Romney could be setting a course to lose the election.
5: The National Review (Conservative Republican Rag) Today said - "Romney campaign seems to continuing in the assumption that you can beat something with nothing." The result is a theme less mush of a campaign that boils down to little more than “Vote for me because I’m not Barack Obama.â€
6: Just in from the National Review - Romney’s Losing Strategy. Mitt Romney really is not a man with a deeply ideological worldview. Simply put, playing not to lose rather than playing to win is a questionable strategy when you are ahead.
Icing on cake: Conservative radio host Laura Ingraham's suggestied Monday that if Romney can't beat Obama then the Republican Party should be "shut down.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 54 seconds later[^] [v] #349,195
Image failed to post with topicAnonymous B joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,197
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 57 seconds later, 5 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,198
Yes. Worst part is no Republican will care. My mom called me last night demanding that I mail in an absentee ballot because Obama was a traitor and a closet Muslim lol. I doubt they've changed their minds at all even though new facts have come to light showing what Mittens said is factually incorrect and a shameless ploy to rile up anti-obama sentiment.
Voting Republican: Not even once.
Voting Republican: Not even once.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,199
Obama's got it in the bag. Democrats can feel free to stay home and smoke weed this election.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 10 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,201
@349,197 (B)
Sorry but not me. Got token error and tubes twisted & it said two errors "sorry about that" On retry the post made it but tubes ingested Romney image
@349,198 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Obama was a traitor and a closet Muslim lol
Yea the true believers are loyal to the bitter end.
Sorry but not me. Got token error and tubes twisted & it said two errors "sorry about that" On retry the post made it but tubes ingested Romney image
@349,198 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Obama was a traitor and a closet Muslim lol
Yea the true believers are loyal to the bitter end.
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,203
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,204
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,205
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
He's black and has a funny name so therefore he is a Nazi Stalinist Communist Socialist Fascist Muslim Atheist. Duh. How can you not understand basic logic?
He's black and has a funny name so therefore he is a Nazi Stalinist Communist Socialist Fascist Muslim Atheist. Duh. How can you not understand basic logic?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #349,206
@349,203 (B)
OK you will never see one more word from me. Starting NOW
@349,204 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I think his dad in Kenya was Muslim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.
Obama Sr. was raised in a Muslim family, but converted to Christianity and changed his name from "Baraka" to the more Christian-sounding "Barack" when he was about six years old at the insistence of the Christian missionary schools he attended. He became an atheist as a young man, before meeting his second wife, Ann Dunham.
OK you will never see one more word from me. Starting NOW
@349,204 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I think his dad in Kenya was Muslim.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.
Obama Sr. was raised in a Muslim family, but converted to Christianity and changed his name from "Baraka" to the more Christian-sounding "Barack" when he was about six years old at the insistence of the Christian missionary schools he attended. He became an atheist as a young man, before meeting his second wife, Ann Dunham.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,216
i bet romney concedes early
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,217
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,218
@349,216 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
I hope not. This whole election has entertainment value. Much like going to the Circus.
I hope not. This whole election has entertainment value. Much like going to the Circus.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 59 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,219
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,220
@349,217 (G)
@349,218 (A)
i just don't think he'll have the votes to contest it. i think come election night we'll all be in bed by midnight is all.
@349,218 (A)
i just don't think he'll have the votes to contest it. i think come election night we'll all be in bed by midnight is all.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,223
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_race_changes.html#previous_changes
I use realclearpolitics daily. You get to see ALL with a few clicks. Bush lost out in popular vote, but won the electoral college vote. So not only is Obama ahead in popular votes he is well ahead in the Electoral college as well. This is what is driving Romney managers wacko.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map_race_changes.html#previous_changes
I use realclearpolitics daily. You get to see ALL with a few clicks. Bush lost out in popular vote, but won the electoral college vote. So not only is Obama ahead in popular votes he is well ahead in the Electoral college as well. This is what is driving Romney managers wacko.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 23 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,233
Maybe, JUST maybe, we could try to NOT fund extremist uprisings in the middle east. Just for once. Please?
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,234
@previous (I)
You're right. We should let China, Russia and Iran fund them! That way the world will be much safer.
You're right. We should let China, Russia and Iran fund them! That way the world will be much safer.
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,239
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 11 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,240
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,241
@previous (A)
Yes the middle east is a huge clusterfuck of many groups competing for political power. My point is, it's not as if the U.S. is the only country that is spending money to gain a regional interest. If we cut our aid down to $0, then other countries that we are in competition with will gladly pick up the slack.
@349,239 (I)
Maybe. And maybe if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.
Yes the middle east is a huge clusterfuck of many groups competing for political power. My point is, it's not as if the U.S. is the only country that is spending money to gain a regional interest. If we cut our aid down to $0, then other countries that we are in competition with will gladly pick up the slack.
@349,239 (I)
Maybe. And maybe if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,242
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
> Maybe. And maybe if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.
That would make her your Fake uncle who's middle name is anon.
> Maybe. And maybe if my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.
That would make her your Fake uncle who's middle name is anon.
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 39 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,243
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,244
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,253
What are people taking offense to? I don't get it.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,254
@previous (J)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/when_you_learn_theyre_not_ready.php
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/09/when_you_learn_theyre_not_ready.php
(Edited 11 seconds later.)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 24 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,255
@349,253 (J)
Yea me bad for not including a link like Fake Anon did, to explain the topic.
Romney has no international experience so he shot from the hip with bad information and now he ends up with a justified self inflicted bullet wound. He had the chance to say Sorry Instead he doubled down and stuck to his guns.
Yea me bad for not including a link like Fake Anon did, to explain the topic.
Romney has no international experience so he shot from the hip with bad information and now he ends up with a justified self inflicted bullet wound. He had the chance to say Sorry Instead he doubled down and stuck to his guns.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 35 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,256
@previous (A)
> he shot from the hip
> he ends up with a justified self inflicted bullet wound
> stuck to his guns
I'm going to be picturing Romney as some ridiculous looking cowboy for a while now. Please stop doing that.
> he shot from the hip
> he ends up with a justified self inflicted bullet wound
> stuck to his guns
I'm going to be picturing Romney as some ridiculous looking cowboy for a while now. Please stop doing that.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,268
@349,254 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
@349,255 (A)
I know what he said I just don't get what people are offended by? Is this one of those weird Americanisms that Americans think are universal but are actually totally weird to outsiders?
@349,255 (A)
I know what he said I just don't get what people are offended by? Is this one of those weird Americanisms that Americans think are universal but are actually totally weird to outsiders?
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,279
Gil !z9/naRmOr. joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,299
@349,268 (L)
He said that Obama sympathized with the mob that attacked the embassy, when he actually condemned the attack.
He said that Obama sympathized with the mob that attacked the embassy, when he actually condemned the attack.
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #349,340
@349,279 (D)
Just do some stretches and you'll get a quasi-foreskin. It may not be the same, but it'll be the closest you'll ever get to a foreskin.
Just do some stretches and you'll get a quasi-foreskin. It may not be the same, but it'll be the closest you'll ever get to a foreskin.
Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,396
@349,299 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
He said that the Obama ADMINISTRATION (which diplomats are a part of. They are the administration's representatives in foreign countries) sympathized with the mobs, which they did when they released a statement condemning criticism of Islam.
He said that the Obama ADMINISTRATION (which diplomats are a part of. They are the administration's representatives in foreign countries) sympathized with the mobs, which they did when they released a statement condemning criticism of Islam.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,399
@previous (L)
Did you even read the article? The statement was released hours before the attack, and Romney claimed that it was sent afterwards. He got his facts wrong and accused the president's administration of doing something it did not do, in an attempt to get more votes.
Did you even read the article? The statement was released hours before the attack, and Romney claimed that it was sent afterwards. He got his facts wrong and accused the president's administration of doing something it did not do, in an attempt to get more votes.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,401
@349,396 (L)
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us/politics/behind-romneys-decision-to-criticize-obama-on-libya.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www
"Mitt Romney, the Republican seeking his job, wasted little time going on the attack, accusing the president of apologizing for American values and appeasing Islamic extremists."
See his speech for yourself here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hi_MC6IK5c
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/13/us/politics/behind-romneys-decision-to-criticize-obama-on-libya.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www
"Mitt Romney, the Republican seeking his job, wasted little time going on the attack, accusing the president of apologizing for American values and appeasing Islamic extremists."
See his speech for yourself here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hi_MC6IK5c
Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,411
@349,399 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)The Administration sent this tweet after the compound had been breached by protesters.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,415
@previous (L)
If by "the administration" you mean "someone at the embassy" then yes, and it was also deleted shortly after being posted. Obama doesn't approve everything some low level bureaucrat does, so pinning every mistake that some diplomat makes on Obama is stupid, especially when the white house explicitly disavowed that statement the night of the attacks.
If by "the administration" you mean "someone at the embassy" then yes, and it was also deleted shortly after being posted. Obama doesn't approve everything some low level bureaucrat does, so pinning every mistake that some diplomat makes on Obama is stupid, especially when the white house explicitly disavowed that statement the night of the attacks.
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 27 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,416
Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,421
@349,415 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
The Administration was blamed, not Obama personally. Stop attempting to use this diversionary tactic. The idea that representatives do not represent the people who sent them is laughably pathetic. That various Washington officials would go on to criticize other members of their administration only serves as further justification of Romney's statement.
The Administration was blamed, not Obama personally. Stop attempting to use this diversionary tactic. The idea that representatives do not represent the people who sent them is laughably pathetic. That various Washington officials would go on to criticize other members of their administration only serves as further justification of Romney's statement.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,423
@349,416 (G)
Which is why for people such as you I included Romney with his full speech on his foot in mouth on Youtube
See his speech for yourself here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hi_MC6IK5c [play]
@previous (L)
From the transcript of his speech with link for the full transcript and another video of Romney in his own words
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/mitt-romneys-statement-on-the-libya-ambassador-attack/2012/09/12/3d314562-fceb-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html
"I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions. It’s never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values.
The White House distanced itself last night from the statement, saying it wasn’t cleared by Washington. That reflects the mixed signals they’re sending to the world."
> I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt,
No such statement and now a growing group of top key Republicans who say Romney was in the wrong. Would you like to see who they are?
Which is why for people such as you I included Romney with his full speech on his foot in mouth on Youtube
See his speech for yourself here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hi_MC6IK5c [play]
@previous (L)
From the transcript of his speech with link for the full transcript and another video of Romney in his own words
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/mitt-romneys-statement-on-the-libya-ambassador-attack/2012/09/12/3d314562-fceb-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html
"I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt, instead of condemning their actions. It’s never too early for the United States government to condemn attacks on Americans and to defend our values.
The White House distanced itself last night from the statement, saying it wasn’t cleared by Washington. That reflects the mixed signals they’re sending to the world."
> I also believe the administration was wrong to stand by a statement sympathizing with those who had breached our embassy in Egypt,
No such statement and now a growing group of top key Republicans who say Romney was in the wrong. Would you like to see who they are?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,426
I will save you the trouble of asking me for that update because Even Bill O'Reilly called Romney out. Playing footage of Romney criticizing the Egyptian embassy for issuing a statement that was "akin to apology."
"The Governor is not correct on that," O'Reilly said. "The embassy was trying to head off the violence. Being conciliatory in that kind of a situation seems logical."
Peggy Noonan, who made waves with her criticism of Romney on Fox News, had an even more withering assessment for her own Wall Street Journal.
"Romney looked weak today," she said. "At one point, he had a certain slight grimace on his face when he was taking tough questions from the reporters, and I thought, 'He looks like Richard Nixon.'"
Looking to see which adviser said this on CBS TV
A second top adviser to McCain's 2008 presidential campaign told CBS News that the Romney campaign has continued to grasp at every "shiny object" that comes its way.
"It's whatever the thing is of the day, and they can be talking about social issues, or foreign policy, or whatever else, but they're not talking about a cogent economic plan to move the country," said the adviser. "These are all probably speed bumps, but they can't afford any speed bumps."
"The Governor is not correct on that," O'Reilly said. "The embassy was trying to head off the violence. Being conciliatory in that kind of a situation seems logical."
Peggy Noonan, who made waves with her criticism of Romney on Fox News, had an even more withering assessment for her own Wall Street Journal.
"Romney looked weak today," she said. "At one point, he had a certain slight grimace on his face when he was taking tough questions from the reporters, and I thought, 'He looks like Richard Nixon.'"
Looking to see which adviser said this on CBS TV
A second top adviser to McCain's 2008 presidential campaign told CBS News that the Romney campaign has continued to grasp at every "shiny object" that comes its way.
"It's whatever the thing is of the day, and they can be talking about social issues, or foreign policy, or whatever else, but they're not talking about a cogent economic plan to move the country," said the adviser. "These are all probably speed bumps, but they can't afford any speed bumps."
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,428
ITT: Anon L plays Romney apologist, and after getting smacked down repeatedly trying to retcon history in Romney's favor, he gives up and starts accusing others of trying to confuse an issue that everyone but him seems to already understand.
Not your best work bro. I know you can do better.
Not your best work bro. I know you can do better.
Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,440
Anonymous L double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,441
@349,428 (K)
Excellent point by point rebuttal of my arguments. You showed clearly where I was in error, and didn't resort to vague generalizations and meta-narratives.
Excellent point by point rebuttal of my arguments. You showed clearly where I was in error, and didn't resort to vague generalizations and meta-narratives.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,442
@349,440 (L)
Of course he did. Now he is really feeling the heat re blowup of his foot in mouth.
George Stephanopoulos | ABC OTUS News – 6 hrs ago
He ended the interview and this is Romney saying " "Well, this is politics. I'm not going to worry about the campaign."
Yet on Fox News just to repeat this for you for the lol re Nixon comparison
> Peggy Noonan, who made waves with her criticism of Romney on Fox News, had an even more withering assessment for her own Wall Street Journal.
> "Romney looked weak today," she said. "At one point, he had a certain slight grimace on his face when he was taking tough questions from the reporters, and I thought, 'He looks like Richard Nixon.'"
Of course he did. Now he is really feeling the heat re blowup of his foot in mouth.
George Stephanopoulos | ABC OTUS News – 6 hrs ago
He ended the interview and this is Romney saying " "Well, this is politics. I'm not going to worry about the campaign."
Yet on Fox News just to repeat this for you for the lol re Nixon comparison
> Peggy Noonan, who made waves with her criticism of Romney on Fox News, had an even more withering assessment for her own Wall Street Journal.
> "Romney looked weak today," she said. "At one point, he had a certain slight grimace on his face when he was taking tough questions from the reporters, and I thought, 'He looks like Richard Nixon.'"
(Edited 22 seconds later.)
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,470
@349,441 (L)
I'm not rebutting your arguments, just commenting on the shit-kicking you're taking from the people who are. :)
I'm not rebutting your arguments, just commenting on the shit-kicking you're taking from the people who are. :)
Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,481
@previous (K)
I'll assume you're not talking about syntax, which leaves only fake anon, whose argument I have completely rebutted.
I'll assume you're not talking about syntax, which leaves only fake anon, whose argument I have completely rebutted.
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,498
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,526
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,531
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #349,536
@previous (N)
Not over but with even Fox News poll with latest showing Obama +5 and look at this graph because Romney only matched Obama once in over all polls and that was last December.
I tried to put it up with java imbed but that failed. Its fancy interactive Flash.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html
Not over but with even Fox News poll with latest showing Obama +5 and look at this graph because Romney only matched Obama once in over all polls and that was last December.
I tried to put it up with java imbed but that failed. Its fancy interactive Flash.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html