dw !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later[^][v]#344,556
he is gonna go walter on yo ass
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 39 seconds later, 3 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,557
He will stop you with the power of the truth of libertarianism, thanks.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,558
@344,556 (dw !jdTkvovFCQ)
Remember when Mountainman was kicked from his church over sexual monkeyshines, just like disgraced Bishop Eddie Long? When the State collapses, the traumatized teen's mother can just shoot him. Problem solved.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,559
@previous (A)
Was that when he raped and killed a little girl in 1992?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,560
@previous (D)
No he actually was kicked from his youth leadership position for grooming.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,562
Why not do it now?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,564
The evil state would actually punish me, a soldier for justice, because I eliminated a violent predator. When we have no government, I can hurt him badly witouth being arrested.
beckyderp !CaTLdYmooc joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,567
@344,560 (A)
I think "grooming" is a funny word for this. I picture mountainman picking lice out of a loli's hair all gorilla-like.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,569
@previous (beckyderp !CaTLdYmooc)
lol it's more like secret gifts, rides alone in the car, and texting and giggling all night. Oh and pulling out your penor in front of a Boy Scout troop.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 11 minutes later, 30 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,580
Mods, can we please sticky this?
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 39 minutes after the original post[^][v]#344,586
Thanks mods! I feel so close to you all right now.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 45 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#344,593
@344,564 (A)
You would still be in danger of retribution from my family, friends, private defense agencies, etc. You'd be no better off.
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 30 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#344,594
@344,567 (beckyderp !CaTLdYmooc)
They used to call it "friendship", now it's called grooming.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#344,595
I'm picturing OP cruising around some post-apocalyptic Australia, Mad Max style, hunting for Mountainman.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#344,599
I'd be fine, because I'm armed and ready. I'm going to take your family home as well, because they don't have as many guns as me. lol statism wins again.
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#344,600
But Mountainman, without the government to help you, how will you treat those nasty spider bites?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#344,601
@344,594 (E)
Friends with benefits maybe. Sex before marriage is a mortal sin, and you tried to convince a child to participate. That's a scumbag thing to do.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,632
Of course, the truth is OP has no guns, and no intention to leave his country and murder me.
Making this story up as a joke = hilarious
Using this falsehood as part of a philosophical argument = spastic
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Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 18 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,633
@344,600 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
I've never been bitten by a spider.
Anonymous E triple-posted this 14 years ago, 39 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,634
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 23 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,648
I would also murder the shit out of him and enjoy it, if statism were to fail.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,651
ITT: everyone discusses the benefit of the collapse of statism.
mountainman !K/QmumMYv. joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,666
False dichotomy.
When the state finally collapses, there will be private police forces which will be better than the coercive statist police force we have now. I will be perfectly safe.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,694
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,703
@344,632 (E)
I do have guns. Hopefully, you're rich enough to pay for private security.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,704
When society collapses, I'm going to start child molester-hunting, vigilante groups. I'm excited.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,722
@344,703 (A)
No, you don't. I don't either. It is unlikely we will see widespread acceptance of anarchy in our lifetime.
The problem is not private security, in the sense of a group of bodyguards following me around, as the state does not currently offer such protection, but rather an entity to punish you for your crime.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 7 hours later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,826
@previous (E)
I do have guns, everyone who lives here has weapons. Do you live in a place where people don't/can't protect themselves?
Also, when the state collapses your "protection" will go for the highest bidder. Are you very rich/fast?
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Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,827
@previous (A)
When the state collapses, there will magically be an infinite number of reasonably priced, supremely skilled 24/7 bodyguards because free market hand waving non-explanation
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,829
@previous (C)
Perhaps his pretty mouth, and tight little anus will buy him safety for a time.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,830
@previous (A)
Well he doesn't have much else going for him, so he better start practicing on a banana soon.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,832
@previous (C)
He could just team up with bert, and hunt cub scouts for practice.
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#344,834
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,048
@344,826 (A)
I live in a place with very low violent crime, and one where police are less intrusive. There is a relatively low gun ownership rate because of this.
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 56 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,049
@344,827 (C)
Do you not understand how the market provides goods and services?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,054
@345,048 (E)
So you wont be able to protect yourself, your family, or your property. How much would a private police force charge, do you think?
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,081
@previous (A)
In the event of a credible threat to my life I would arm myself.
Impossible to know.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 16 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,085
@previous (E)
By then, you would have no access to guns. What if you don't have enough to pay the police? Are you very skilled at anything?
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Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,089
@previous (A) > By then, you would have no access to guns.
I could buy guns any day of the week??
> What if you don't have enough to pay the police?
I guess I would rely upon neighborhood watches, and be a free rider upon the private police system.
> Are you very skilled at anything?
Yes.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 10 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,192
> >By then, you would have no access to guns. > I could buy guns any day of the week??
Gun dealer:Sorry, kid, but once the State collapsed, inflation went wild. You're going to need triple that.
Mountie (reaches deep into his secret money pocket and pulls out everything he had)
Gun dealer:Here you go, kid.
Mountie: Th—thanks, mister.
Mountie heads to test out his new gun. He has a kick in his step, now that he can finally protect himself in this Stateless Utopia.
Mountie gets to his enclave, says hi to his 12 year old bride, and loads the pistol. With a peck on her forehead, he heads out back to test the gun.
Mountette kneads the dough with excitement. Soon, there is a loud, off-color bang from the gun. Mountette rushes out to find Mountie exsanguinating. The gun was a fraud.
In this Stateless Utopia, Mountette finds herself a new man. There is nothing she could do about Mountie—the EMTs had raised their rates last month and all of her money was spent. The gun dealer, unknown to Mountie, turned out to be James "The Conman" Matthews. There was no recourse for Mountie's death.
Fin.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,197
@345,089 (E)
Neighborhood watch? Are you retarded?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 32 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#345,198
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 14 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#345,375
@345,192 (L) > Gun dealer: Sorry, kid, but once the State collapsed, inflation went wild. You're going to need triple that.
That makes sense. Without a central authority printing money, there would be monetary inflation because... um... uh...
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^][v]#345,376
@345,192 (L)
Instead of me correcting line by line just read this.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,634
@previous (E)
any currency would be useless. We'd have nothing to back it, and it would just be paper. Isuch a society, you'd probably have to barter.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,636
@345,623 (E)
It's not a solution for you if it doesn't exist. Even your neighborhood as a whole, probably doesn't have enough weapons or fencing to protect itself.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,639
@345,634 (A)
inb4 this discussion turns into retarded debate about gold like it has in previous threads.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,642
@345,634 (A)
Or use a medium of exchange like hard currencies, bank notes, etc.
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 30 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,643
@345,636 (A)
The only important consideration is if it could exist, not if it does exist currently.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,644
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 38 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,652
@345,645 (A)
Something that people who had or made guns desired. That is how trade works.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 23 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,663
@345,651 (E)
what would back the bank notes? What would you have to trade?
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,677
@previous (A)
Whatever people considered fit for the purpose. One historical example is precious metals.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,678
@previous (E)
What do you have personally? Will you be able to get gold after society changes?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 38 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,682
@345,677 (E)
and threats of rape and murder violence. That always get's people doing what they're told.
what are you jabbering on about? metal? psh
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 2 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,683
@345,678 (A)
The same things that I do to get money now?
Anonymous E double-posted this 14 years ago, 34 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,684
@345,682 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Why don't you use those methods to get what you want now?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 52 seconds later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,685
@previous (E)
because money is still valuable because it's backed by trust in banks, not trust in my ability to pin you down and rape you
is this an armageddon thread? these threads are sweet.
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Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 22 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,699
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
That doesn't answer my question.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 30 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,704
@previous (E)
at the moment i have better options available to me than rape, murder and marauding.
those things would, right now, get me in more trouble than i could reasonably expect to handle.
after the collapse of society the amount of trouble would diminish to well below the amount of effort it takes to not rape, murder and maraud.
how is this not a self evident kind of thing?
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,707
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q) > after the collapse of society
That is not being posited here.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,708
@previous (E)
then replace it with "when the State crumbles" as it's written in the OP.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,709
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Then it ceases to make sense.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,710
> Remember when Mountainman was kicked from his church over sexual monkeyshines, just like disgraced Bishop Eddie Long? When the State collapses, the traumatized teen's mother can just shoot him. Problem solved.
You mean when false accusations were made against him?
Threats of murder because you disagree with MM's beliefs that people should need to fear violence from the state because they choose to live life differently. When people face being murdered because they smoke a little weed, it's the state you should be threatening.
Moron.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,720
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,777
@345,759 (A)
Why, the magic of Libertarianism, of course!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,779
@previous (J)
lol I love talking to MM because it's like he lives in goofy land. I picture him holed up in a dilapidated mansion filled with mannequins. Just like Michael Jackson.
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 34 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#345,794
@previous (A)
He seems especially arg at this time of year. I wonder if his loli dumped him.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 7 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#345,948
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#345,952
@previous (E)
Don't just posts links, give your opinion. Would people vote, on what was wrong or illegal?
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Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#345,961
@previous (A)
That is my opinion. People would vote in the marketplace, just like we vote on how many shoes should be made, or how much wheat should be grown.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#345,964
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#345,997
@previous (E)
Yes, seriously. How would they pick who collected the votes, how would they know if he was honest, how would they punish cheaters? This sounds a lot like government.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 58 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#345,998
@345,993 (G)
Okay, I love this. It even slightly looks him.
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,004
@previous (A)
I know right?! If we could just change up that first verse to begin "I diddle little kiddles..." it would be perfect.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 43 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,005
@previous (G)
Whats the story of this band? You saw them live?
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,009
@345,997 (A)
Did you not understand the reference to market voting? i.e. firms make decisions based upon consumer choices?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,011
@previous (E)
So, a firm would run the voting system, and justice system. Correct?
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,018
@previous (A)
Dude you are seriously retarded. Companies make decision based upon consumer preferences as demonstrated by spending and investment. That is what is meant by market voting. Companies that people like survive, and the ones that don't fail.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,025
@previous (E)
So private companies would provide law officers and civil servants, correct?
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,027
@346,005 (A)
You can find most of it (including a bit about that song) on the wiki about him.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,030
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#346,054
@346,027 (G)
Another good song by them. Their music reminds me of a movie I've seen,(can't recall the name) where a man acted and sung out the story of his child abuse convictions. he played all parts, and it was brilliant.
I am inquiring into the nature of your question. Obviously producing shoes is different to producing wheat, which is different to producing security. I ask this question to better understand what you believe to be the essential differences between the provision of defence and the provision of other goods.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#346,274
@previous (E)
More deflection. Just give me straight answer: how is producing shoes and wheat similar to enforcing the law?
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#346,277
@previous (J)
Are you having trouble reading, or just understanding?
They are similar in that they involve the allocation of scarce resources.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 58 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#346,284
@previous (E)
your mom's ass isn't a scarce resource
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#346,296
@346,277 (E)
So you're saying that enforcing the law is the same as producing shoes? How is it? Keeping crime in cheanniston not the same as making a shoe.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#346,297
@previous (J)
Growing wheat is not the same as making a shoe, yet they operate on similar principles, in that they both involve the allocation of scarce resources.