Topic: Mitt Romney, and his tax return
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ started this discussion 14 years ago #21,458
Mitt Romney doesn't even fucking know exactly what's on his tax returns. Do you think he does his own taxes? He hires people to save him as much money as possible. Because that's what anyone with money, and half a brain would fucking do.
If there was something to truly be concerned about on his returns, then he'd be in jail. Do you think the IRS just let's shit fly?
Quit with this bullshit you left-wing psychotic fucks.
If there was something to truly be concerned about on his returns, then he'd be in jail. Do you think the IRS just let's shit fly?
Quit with this bullshit you left-wing psychotic fucks.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #341,501
It may be legal to structure his assets in a way that shields him from taxes, but it is amoral and not something a wannabe president should do.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,503
@previous (B)
It isn't a moral issue at all. He's running a business for profit, not for morality. There's nothing wrong with saving money.
It isn't a moral issue at all. He's running a business for profit, not for morality. There's nothing wrong with saving money.
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Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,504
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,505
@341,503 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
It is moral to pay back into the construction and maintenance of the infrastructure your wealth is derived from. It is amoral to behave exploitatively and to participate in the manipulation of law for the benefit of your social class.
It is moral to pay back into the construction and maintenance of the infrastructure your wealth is derived from. It is amoral to behave exploitatively and to participate in the manipulation of law for the benefit of your social class.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,506
@341,503 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Businesses do not have to be moral, but there is strong evidence that more moral conduct of a business—when it benefits all stakeholders of a business (owners, employees, customers, and community)—correlates with a net increase in quality of life, a longer business lifecycle, and less waste.
Businesses do not have to be moral, but there is strong evidence that more moral conduct of a business—when it benefits all stakeholders of a business (owners, employees, customers, and community)—correlates with a net increase in quality of life, a longer business lifecycle, and less waste.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,507
@341,504 (C)
Well it isn't at all an immoral thing.
@341,505 (B)
It's called making a profit. Nobody who's sane pays taxes they don't need to pay. It isn't for the benefit of his social class, it's for his personal benefit.
Well it isn't at all an immoral thing.
@341,505 (B)
It's called making a profit. Nobody who's sane pays taxes they don't need to pay. It isn't for the benefit of his social class, it's for his personal benefit.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,509
He's a politician, and a Republican to boot. Of course he's going to be fiddling with his finances in questionable ways.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,510
@341,507 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
It is immoral to steal.
If I successfully robbed a bank, should I claim that the government shouldn't punish me because I successfully made money?
It is immoral to steal.
If I successfully robbed a bank, should I claim that the government shouldn't punish me because I successfully made money?
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,511
@341,509 (E)
It has little to do with his politics, a government, and a business are two different things. A successful business operates differently than a successful country does. People should be more concerned about Romney's political history than they are about his business history.
It has little to do with his politics, a government, and a business are two different things. A successful business operates differently than a successful country does. People should be more concerned about Romney's political history than they are about his business history.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 46 seconds later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,512
@341,507 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Profit is moral. Profit derived from unjust exploitation that is enshrined in flawed laws is not moral.
Profit is moral. Profit derived from unjust exploitation that is enshrined in flawed laws is not moral.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 34 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,513
@341,510 (C)
Robbing a bank is illegal. Finding loopholes in the tax system is not. One is actually stealing from another person, the other is just not giving your own money away. Do you see the difference?
Robbing a bank is illegal. Finding loopholes in the tax system is not. One is actually stealing from another person, the other is just not giving your own money away. Do you see the difference?
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,514
@341,512 (D)
It's called taking advantage of the system. It's called making as much profit as you can. That's how a business should operate.
It's called taking advantage of the system. It's called making as much profit as you can. That's how a business should operate.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 49 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,516
@341,513 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Except Mitt is exploiting those loopholes for his benefit at the net loss of the commons. That is amoral behavior.
Because Mitt is part of the ownership class, has clout, and is part of the executive branch establishment, he should have extra burden to align the morality of conduct with the laws his social class have control over. His failure to act morally, in personal and governmental contexts, is an amoral action.
His actions are amoral both directly and indirectly. Case dismissed.
Except Mitt is exploiting those loopholes for his benefit at the net loss of the commons. That is amoral behavior.
Because Mitt is part of the ownership class, has clout, and is part of the executive branch establishment, he should have extra burden to align the morality of conduct with the laws his social class have control over. His failure to act morally, in personal and governmental contexts, is an amoral action.
His actions are amoral both directly and indirectly. Case dismissed.
Anonymous D double-posted this 14 years ago, 20 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,517
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 38 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,518
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,520
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squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,524
If mitt had half a brain he'd cough up any document he was asked for. Just like Obama's birth certificate, mitt's taxes aren't going to be dismissed because he says so.
Also i think he won't release his taxes because he didn't pay any. Typical out of touch wealthy businessman. I wish i could use financial loop holes to not pay yaxes, but i can't bexause i'm middle class and don't have loopholes written for me.
Loopholes are made for the rich, and mitt knows that. That's why he won't fess up to using them. Hell, why should he pay taxes? That's what the filthy middle class does. He's too good for that.
Also i think he won't release his taxes because he didn't pay any. Typical out of touch wealthy businessman. I wish i could use financial loop holes to not pay yaxes, but i can't bexause i'm middle class and don't have loopholes written for me.
Loopholes are made for the rich, and mitt knows that. That's why he won't fess up to using them. Hell, why should he pay taxes? That's what the filthy middle class does. He's too good for that.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,528
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
I think he paid tax's. Wot he does not anyone to see?
> Tax avoidance & gimmicks and dodges.
That is all people will discuss after he shows them. So he won't and people will make even a bigger issue out of it.
I think he paid tax's. Wot he does not anyone to see?
> Tax avoidance & gimmicks and dodges.
That is all people will discuss after he shows them. So he won't and people will make even a bigger issue out of it.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #341,531
@341,524 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
I’m solidly middle class and paid a total state and federal tax rate of 10 percent in 2010. The rules were made for the rich, but they are not exclusively for the rich.
What these rules do, however, is make it so the time investment to structure your assets and create deductions is worth it to those who have the most to gain.
No, I’m not going to release my 2010 tax returns because they’re legal but embarrassingly disgusting. It was an amoral decision but I did it for the lulz and gave a lot of my tax return to charity.
I’m solidly middle class and paid a total state and federal tax rate of 10 percent in 2010. The rules were made for the rich, but they are not exclusively for the rich.
What these rules do, however, is make it so the time investment to structure your assets and create deductions is worth it to those who have the most to gain.
No, I’m not going to release my 2010 tax returns because they’re legal but embarrassingly disgusting. It was an amoral decision but I did it for the lulz and gave a lot of my tax return to charity.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,532
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 26 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,533
@341,531 (D)
I once sent IRS a letter to explain why I decided to not file a return. Said I expected to pay a penalty. Ended up a moral victory for me & yes it did cost me except I came out ahead. (Penalty's are much less if you stay in contact with IRS)
I once sent IRS a letter to explain why I decided to not file a return. Said I expected to pay a penalty. Ended up a moral victory for me & yes it did cost me except I came out ahead. (Penalty's are much less if you stay in contact with IRS)
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,535
@341,532 (C)
I do not support it because there are lazy black women on welfare. They do not deserve to become bank robbers. Only the owners of the banks should be allowed to legally commit fraud.
I do not support it because there are lazy black women on welfare. They do not deserve to become bank robbers. Only the owners of the banks should be allowed to legally commit fraud.
Anonymous D double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,536
@341,533 (G)
I once enjoyed a pastry in a government building. I think it was a moral victory. (Your personal stories are almost tiresome, Def, but keep on keeping on you old so and so <3)
I once enjoyed a pastry in a government building. I think it was a moral victory. (Your personal stories are almost tiresome, Def, but keep on keeping on you old so and so <3)
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,537
@341,535 (D)
> lazy black women on welfare
Wot about lazy rich men who find ways to scam US tax payers, to add cash to wallets? Why did Romney have a Swiss bank account?
> lazy black women on welfare
Wot about lazy rich men who find ways to scam US tax payers, to add cash to wallets? Why did Romney have a Swiss bank account?
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 16 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,538
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,539
@341,537 (G)
This is America. Only white men are allowed to commit crimes, but pretty white women are okay so long as they’re crazy, have a juicy backstory, and look more fuckable than Nancy Grace.
sarcasm, bro
This is America. Only white men are allowed to commit crimes, but pretty white women are okay so long as they’re crazy, have a juicy backstory, and look more fuckable than Nancy Grace.
sarcasm, bro
Anonymous D double-posted this 14 years ago, 34 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,540
@341,538 (C)
Businesses should only make decisions that provide the greatest and most immediate profit. Thanks.
Businesses should only make decisions that provide the greatest and most immediate profit. Thanks.
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,542
@previous (D)
A business that makes nothing but money is a poor kind of business.
Henry Ford
Corporation, n., An ingenious device for obtaining profit without individual responsibility.
Ambrose Bierce 1842-1914, American columnist, The Devils Dictionary
"I will manage my enterprise with loyalty and care, and I will not advance my personal interests at the expense of my enterprise or society … I will protect the human rights and dignity of all people affected by my enterprise, and I will oppose discrimination and exploitation … I will protect the right of future generations to advance their standard of living and enjoy a healthy planet."
Oath devised by MBA students at Harvard University
A business that makes nothing but money is a poor kind of business.
Henry Ford
Corporation, n., An ingenious device for obtaining profit without individual responsibility.
Ambrose Bierce 1842-1914, American columnist, The Devils Dictionary
"I will manage my enterprise with loyalty and care, and I will not advance my personal interests at the expense of my enterprise or society … I will protect the human rights and dignity of all people affected by my enterprise, and I will oppose discrimination and exploitation … I will protect the right of future generations to advance their standard of living and enjoy a healthy planet."
Oath devised by MBA students at Harvard University
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,545
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,547
@341,524 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Pretty much. The rich are pandered to because what they do actually matters. If a member of the 1 percent can make more profit elsewhere, he'll do that, and that actually does suck for the economy. If some middle class nobody calls it quits, no one gives a shit, it doesn't matter. The only way the middle class will ever have a real say is if there's either mass boycott, or violent revolution.
Pretty much. The rich are pandered to because what they do actually matters. If a member of the 1 percent can make more profit elsewhere, he'll do that, and that actually does suck for the economy. If some middle class nobody calls it quits, no one gives a shit, it doesn't matter. The only way the middle class will ever have a real say is if there's either mass boycott, or violent revolution.
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,549
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
> The only way the middle class will ever have a real say is if there's either mass boycott, or violent revolution.
Revolutions fail if rich take the money and run.
> The only way the middle class will ever have a real say is if there's either mass boycott, or violent revolution.
Revolutions fail if rich take the money and run.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 22 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,550
@341,542 (G)
Except Henry Ford was a nutcase who wanted to control every aspect of his employees' lives.
Except Henry Ford was a nutcase who wanted to control every aspect of his employees' lives.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 19 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,551
Mitt Romney is a rich, spoiled, delusional, piece of shit. And I'm worried he'll win. People are so retarded Mitt stands a halfway decent chance. If you support Mitt Romney, or the Republican party in general, I genuinely pity you.
Ks !KansasxqvM double-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,554
Genuine pity.Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,555
@341,550 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
lol
No one is perfect. He was a pioneer & was bound to make a few mistakes.
@341,551 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Agree but Republicans may end up buying the election.
lol
No one is perfect. He was a pioneer & was bound to make a few mistakes.
@341,551 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Agree but Republicans may end up buying the election.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,556
@341,549 (G)
It would take many more of the working class to quit for it to matter at all, than it would for the upper class to quit. However if somehow (not happening) all of the working class just said "fuck you, we're not working until we get more." Then the upper class, the leaders, would have to bend a little. Again though, that isn't going to happen. It would mean the majority of people would have to risk their livelihood for a greater cause, and it would have to be on an international level (outsourcing). The majority of people don't take risks, and that's a big reason why they're poor.
It would take many more of the working class to quit for it to matter at all, than it would for the upper class to quit. However if somehow (not happening) all of the working class just said "fuck you, we're not working until we get more." Then the upper class, the leaders, would have to bend a little. Again though, that isn't going to happen. It would mean the majority of people would have to risk their livelihood for a greater cause, and it would have to be on an international level (outsourcing). The majority of people don't take risks, and that's a big reason why they're poor.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 48 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,557
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,558
@341,551 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
So you pity people who have opinions you don't agree with? God that's arrogant, I would never be so condescending. I for example don't agree with anonymous G, but I don't think I'm superior to him, I don't pity him.
So you pity people who have opinions you don't agree with? God that's arrogant, I would never be so condescending. I for example don't agree with anonymous G, but I don't think I'm superior to him, I don't pity him.
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,559
@341,554 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
10/10
@341,556 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Problem is the working class tend to over due it on credit. That makes the rich, even richer. Upper class depends on a working class, and the poor are living on the scraps of the working class.
10/10
@341,556 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Problem is the working class tend to over due it on credit. That makes the rich, even richer. Upper class depends on a working class, and the poor are living on the scraps of the working class.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 10 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,560
@341,558 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
I pity people who are retarded. Not everyone who has a different opinion is retarded, please don't confuse the two.
I pity people who are retarded. Not everyone who has a different opinion is retarded, please don't confuse the two.
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,561
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,562
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,563
@341,559 (G)
Except that isn't a problem, it's just a heirarchy. Nature has a heirarchy as well, except unlike in nature, you can actually move up the social heirarchy.
@341,560 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Who made you the authority on what opinions are valid, you condescending fuck?
Except that isn't a problem, it's just a heirarchy. Nature has a heirarchy as well, except unlike in nature, you can actually move up the social heirarchy.
@341,560 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Who made you the authority on what opinions are valid, you condescending fuck?
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #341,564
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
> Except that isn't a problem
You need to give me some meat to grab on to. We both agree
> Nature has a heirarchy as well
Always going to be the Poor, Working class and Rich.
> Except that isn't a problem
You need to give me some meat to grab on to. We both agree
> Nature has a heirarchy as well
Always going to be the Poor, Working class and Rich.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,565
@341,562 (D)
Are you suggesting a middle-class white kid still living with his parents in suburbia isn't an expert on politics or the world outside his mom's basement?
Are you suggesting a middle-class white kid still living with his parents in suburbia isn't an expert on politics or the world outside his mom's basement?
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,566
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You think we have basements here? You're wrong. Also everyone I associate with is in the upper class.
You think we have basements here? You're wrong. Also everyone I associate with is in the upper class.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 42 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,567
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,568
@341,562 (D)
I believe that individual advancement is the most important thing. Nature favors the powerful, and the exploitive. It doesn't matter how that makes you feel, it's just how things work.
I believe that individual advancement is the most important thing. Nature favors the powerful, and the exploitive. It doesn't matter how that makes you feel, it's just how things work.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,569
@341,564 (G)
Well, not necessarily, there have been fluctuating numbers of social classes. Even now there's upper-upper, lower-upper, upper-middle, middle, working, working-poor, and poor.
Well, not necessarily, there have been fluctuating numbers of social classes. Even now there's upper-upper, lower-upper, upper-middle, middle, working, working-poor, and poor.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,570
@341,568 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
The world can be described with Newtonian principles, but the world does not function in Newtonian means.
The world can be described with Newtonian principles, but the world does not function in Newtonian means.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,572
@341,563 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Please refer me to the post in which I stated anyone's opinion is invalid. THanks.
Please refer me to the post in which I stated anyone's opinion is invalid. THanks.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,574
The Republicans are the bad guys...
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,575
@341,569 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
Least you forget the almost rich, rich, very rich, super rich.
A fun quick read.
http://www.cosmoloan.com/loans/from-riches-to-rags-10-celebrities-who-went-broke.html
Least you forget the almost rich, rich, very rich, super rich.
A fun quick read.
http://www.cosmoloan.com/loans/from-riches-to-rags-10-celebrities-who-went-broke.html
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,576
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 20 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,577
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
I see you can't refer to a post where I stated anyone's opinion is invalid. THanks for playing.
I see you can't refer to a post where I stated anyone's opinion is invalid. THanks for playing.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 23 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,580
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
You've stated that you pity people who support Romney, and that supporting him is retarded.
No, you haven't explicity stated anyone's opinion is invalid, but if an opinion is "retarded" it isn't much more than that.
You've stated that you pity people who support Romney, and that supporting him is retarded.
No, you haven't explicity stated anyone's opinion is invalid, but if an opinion is "retarded" it isn't much more than that.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 29 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,586
Reading over this thread, OP's opinion seems to boil down to: "Rich people can afford to exploit the system. Deal with it."
Personally, I think OP has a wonderful gift for summing up political ideologies. The Romney campaign should start putting that on their on bumper stickers.
Personally, I think OP has a wonderful gift for summing up political ideologies. The Romney campaign should start putting that on their on bumper stickers.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,590
squeegee !firstkPE1Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 33 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,597
@341,586 (I)
but exploiting the system is the only way to profit from their mismanagement. executives gotta eat too. And do you have any idea how expensive it is to maintain a corporate jet?
but exploiting the system is the only way to profit from their mismanagement. executives gotta eat too. And do you have any idea how expensive it is to maintain a corporate jet?
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,605
@341,586 (I)
According to Conflict Theory those who are willing to exploit others will have the most success. Yes rich people can afford to exploit the system, but it is partly their willingness to do so that got them rich in the first place.
Nature favors the strong, there are ultimately predators, and prey. Maybe that isn't nice, but I'd much rather be a predator. Wouldn't you?
According to Conflict Theory those who are willing to exploit others will have the most success. Yes rich people can afford to exploit the system, but it is partly their willingness to do so that got them rich in the first place.
Nature favors the strong, there are ultimately predators, and prey. Maybe that isn't nice, but I'd much rather be a predator. Wouldn't you?
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 59 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,623
@previous (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
> Maybe that isn't nice, but I'd much rather be a predator. Wouldn't you?
I'm sure burglars, pimps, and muggers tell themselves that too. You seem to be offering up the philosophically vacant "it happens" as if it explains or justifies something. So far, you have argued Romney into the same philosophical camp as, say, Somali pirates. If you are trying to make some sort of argument here, you aren't making much progress.
> Maybe that isn't nice, but I'd much rather be a predator. Wouldn't you?
I'm sure burglars, pimps, and muggers tell themselves that too. You seem to be offering up the philosophically vacant "it happens" as if it explains or justifies something. So far, you have argued Romney into the same philosophical camp as, say, Somali pirates. If you are trying to make some sort of argument here, you aren't making much progress.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,625
@341,605 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
you don't put the fox in the hen house just because he's likely to get in anyway.
you don't put the fox in the hen house just because he's likely to get in anyway.
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,628
threads grate
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,629
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,630
@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Who said I was poor, fatty? I make almost as much as your dad, but I still have five pay grades above me in my current career track.
Who said I was poor, fatty? I make almost as much as your dad, but I still have five pay grades above me in my current career track.
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Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,633
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 14 years ago, 42 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,637
postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 18 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,639
@341,623 (I)
Somali pirates, muggers, etc. are all people who are committing illegal acts, they are acting against the system. Romney is in the realm of legality, he is profiting when the confines that the current structure allows. I don't see a problem.
Somali pirates, muggers, etc. are all people who are committing illegal acts, they are acting against the system. Romney is in the realm of legality, he is profiting when the confines that the current structure allows. I don't see a problem.
Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,640
@341,637 (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
In a large metro area with a reasonable cost of living. The PPP and median household incomes are around the national median.
In a large metro area with a reasonable cost of living. The PPP and median household incomes are around the national median.
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 14 years ago, 58 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,643
@previous (B)
What's the national median? The median household income here is $65,391, and the median family income is $77,119 (our family makes almost twice that).
What's the national median? The median household income here is $65,391, and the median family income is $77,119 (our family makes almost twice that).
Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 34 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,647
@previous (HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q)
Your family needs that extra money - basement dweller to support.
Your family needs that extra money - basement dweller to support.
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,655
@341,639 (postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
The problem is that your rationalization is an overly-broad excuse that could describe running a business just as easily as it could describe running a dictatorial regime or a crime family. Saying that some people benefit by exploiting others doesn't really tell us anything we don't know, but that seems to be where your thinking here begins and ends. If you are trying to make some sort of pro-Romney argument out of just that, then you aren't doing him any favors.
I'm not sure why you seem to think that the fact that someone is aggressively exploiting the system for their personal gain somehow makes a good argument for giving them more power over that system. That sounds like a pretty dangerous disconnect in your thinking.
The problem is that your rationalization is an overly-broad excuse that could describe running a business just as easily as it could describe running a dictatorial regime or a crime family. Saying that some people benefit by exploiting others doesn't really tell us anything we don't know, but that seems to be where your thinking here begins and ends. If you are trying to make some sort of pro-Romney argument out of just that, then you aren't doing him any favors.
I'm not sure why you seem to think that the fact that someone is aggressively exploiting the system for their personal gain somehow makes a good argument for giving them more power over that system. That sounds like a pretty dangerous disconnect in your thinking.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 20 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,657
@previous (I)
My argument is simply that I see no problem with him trying to pay less taxes. I think one could certainly fine flaw in Romney, but I don't think his taxes are where one should look for those flaws.
I think people should do whatever benefits them the most. Look at Romney's policies, if they help you, vote for him. If they don't help you, don't vote for him. There really isn't a right, or wrong.
My argument is simply that I see no problem with him trying to pay less taxes. I think one could certainly fine flaw in Romney, but I don't think his taxes are where one should look for those flaws.
I think people should do whatever benefits them the most. Look at Romney's policies, if they help you, vote for him. If they don't help you, don't vote for him. There really isn't a right, or wrong.
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,690
Class warfare. lol. In America. lol.
Do any of you realize rich people own fucking EVERYTHING in America. Raise their taxes and watch your rents increase and your paychecks shrink.
lol retards. We live in a plutocracy. Deal with it.
Do any of you realize rich people own fucking EVERYTHING in America. Raise their taxes and watch your rents increase and your paychecks shrink.
lol retards. We live in a plutocracy. Deal with it.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,703
Why would anyone return their taxes? I've already paid for them, unless you mean that my taxes are returned to me!
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,737
The point is that he is a multi-billionaire, who claims to identify with the common man.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,739
@341,657 (Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+)
False.
The correct decision is one that benefits the individual over the long term. Voting for Romney now might decrease your near-term taxes, but contributes to amoral depletion of the commons.
The responsible decision is to not vote for Romney, even if he promises you tax breaks.
False.
The correct decision is one that benefits the individual over the long term. Voting for Romney now might decrease your near-term taxes, but contributes to amoral depletion of the commons.
The responsible decision is to not vote for Romney, even if he promises you tax breaks.
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 20 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,744
Postmortem !!Qe8ScDbX+ (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 48 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,745
@341,690 (N)
Pretty much. Although theoretically one could fix that by raising mimimum wage, and establishing price caps.
Pretty much. Although theoretically one could fix that by raising mimimum wage, and establishing price caps.
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Anonymous B replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^] [v] #341,753
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squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #341,790
Isn't he a mormon? I thought the last election was bad, but this one has a black nigger AND a non-christian mormonizer on the ticket.
Do people not know mormons worship John Smith over jesus?
Do people not know mormons worship John Smith over jesus?