Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later[^][v]#340,247
I remember both of you, and I have missed you!!
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^][v]#340,248
@previous (B)
It's just me now, Saint and I have split up. It was nice for a while, but we just started to drift apart, and she got really controlling. She wouldn't even let me see my parents, much less hang out with friends.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 28 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^][v]#340,250
Hi! I remember you.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later, 57 minutes after the original post[^][v]#340,251
you that dude fucked the fat chick on tinychat?
Green !YzDEWwv9Z2 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 33 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#340,252
Oh yeah.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#340,254
I noted your absence, yes.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,264
@340,248 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.) > She wouldn't even let me see my parents, much less hang out with friends.
Well shit bro. At least you have your freedom back. ROW ROW!
Harley !0vJQuinnRw joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,270
Sorry about what happened. :(
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,304
Yeah I remember you. Have you considered dating men?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 57 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,309
@340,251 (D)
Yes, Saint and I did fuck on camera. @340,270 (Harley !0vJQuinnRw)
Thanks Harley. It sucks ass, and I still have to get my stuff out of the shithole apartment we were living in, but she's in Japan, and her parents changed the locks, so that I can't get my stuff. Since my name was never on the lease, I have to wait for her to get back. @previous (I)
Nah, I like the whole tits, ass, and pussy thing women have going on. But hey, I won't judge you for dating a dude.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,312
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
now whould be a good time to learn lock-picking from the internet
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 20 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,314
Harley !0vJQuinnRw replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,353
@340,309 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Well, Krodan and I wish you well. It's been a while since neither of us have heard from you or Saint. Sorry her family is being like that to you. Krodan said that the last he heard of you you had sex on camera. And he always considered you interesting to talk to if you ever want to talk to either of us, we are here for you man. If you want I'll give you my email.
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Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 10 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,390
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 5 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,486
@340,312 (D)
Nope, I already have a plan. Going to wait for her to get back, then go there with the 5-0 backing me up. It's not her I'm concerned with, it's her dry drunk Mick-hating Italian father and psycho mother that are going to start shit.
Harley is Mobile replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,490
Harley is Mobile double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,491
@340,486 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
How long will she be in japan?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 44 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,498
@previous (Harley is Mobile)
Until the 12th, but I have to wait till after the 16th, because my cousin is coming over that weekend, and we haven't seen her in years, due to bad blood between my mother and her family. Basically, my mother was emotionally abused by her family, think Cinderella type shit. As a result, she ceased all contact with them until I was born, and only reconnected for the sake of myself and my sister. I was one of their favorite things to bludgeon her with, because I was naive enough to be manipulated against her. They are assholes, and I'm not jumping into that shit again, but my cousin somehow turned out alright, and has been in contact with my mother for the past year behind my aunts back.
Harley is Mobile replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,499
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Oh wow. Sounds like my family.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 20 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,534
Hi you. We were kind of enemies.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 17 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,536
doy i forgot
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Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 34 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,546
@previous (L)
I don't remember doing that. I fucked Saint on cam, and that was a mistake.
Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,547
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
you did a lot of mistakey things on camera
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,548
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 49 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,555
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Because the forum was mean to saint.
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 24 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,559
@340,548 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Basically what @previous (N) said, and I was sick of having to deal with her getting depressed every time I was on here. Btw, fuck all yall who kept calling her fat, she went anorexic and ruined her awesome tits. A b cup sized breast that used to be almost a d cup is not a pretty sight.
Cathy !TGirlYJKXM joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 22 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,562
Hello Gil. :D
Have we met?
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Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 26 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#340,568
@previous (Cathy !TGirlYJKXM)
I don't recognize your name, so I am going to assume that you came here after I left.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#340,605
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Yep. He came here long after you were gone.
hurr replied with this 14 years ago, 36 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#340,611
@340,559 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
thin skin dont belong on internets
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 26 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#340,612
@340,559 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
An obscure bbs made her anorexic?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#340,675
@340,611 (hurr)
I can handle it. I understand how people are dicks online, and I just choose not to justify the shitposts with a response. But a good pair of tits were ruined, and that's not cool man.
Saint !!2awKAlVnL joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 days later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#341,005
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Oh wow, I guess you can understand about being a dick both online and offline, too, because that's what you are. You are completely brain washed by your family and co-workers, and I lost count of the amount of times I LITERALLY said that you COULD see your parents.
It's nice to find out that you decided to end it with me over Minichan. It's nice to find out that you are really too childish and immature to face me in person or to at least answer my texts and calls to tell me you want to split.
Hey Minichan, I am apparently "really controlling", because I would have been in a 4-year-relationship with someone com Nov., and I requested that he would simply RESPECT me enough not to go out to clubbing and drinking with his "friends" since it made me uncomfortable, especially knowing that he gets super wasted after ONE beer. I am apparently really controlling because I asked him to compromise with me about hanging out with his friends, but he was completely unwilling to work-with-who-was-suppose-to-be-the-love-of-his-life for his own selfishness and wanting to be a "real man"...because that's what "real and normal guys" do. In his own desperate words to me, "I WANT TO ME NORMAL!" after years of saying, "weird is good <3 "
Yes, drunken clubbing is what you do when you a single, so basically a 4-year relationship was thrown away for that. Awesome.
Oh, should I also mention how he stayed out to 6 AM in the morning when he would go out with his new-found bro-douche friends without calling or texting me? Then I got upset when he got home and lied to me about it...that is SO me being controlling and not a rational person. OMG!
Thanks for abandoning me again. Thanks for using me for sex. Thanks for all the lies you told me. You got your wish. You became a typical normal guy. Congratulations. Since you have this ~super~awesome~plan to come get your things from me, you can find your shit in trash bags on the lawn. I'm doing it now, and fuck you if your shit gets ruined by whatever time you get here.
I wrote you a long letter, but I'll just paste the last two paragraphs here, since this might be the only place you will give time to read it.
" I guess a part of me is happy some of your childhood fantasies are becoming real...because I want you to be happy...but maybe you should take a step back, and realize that some of your childhood fears are coming true as well.
With the way you ran off on me without words...with the way you're ignoring me...with the way you are suppose to be someone I love and with the way you're not there for me...you're being just like your father and how he was with you growing up. You told me you feared being like him...lack of love with your mom, so anti-social with her and his kids...with the people he is suppose to love...an emotionless vessel (as you said)....That's what you are now.
You had so much potential to be someone special and smart..."
squeegee !firstkPE1Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 21 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#341,008
@previous (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
pasta? sauce? or is that some OC?
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#341,011
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
No, it's really me. If he's not man enough to talk to me or hold an adult conversation with me after countless times I have been asking...and is once again doing shit behind my back, then this is the ONLY way I will probably be able to contact him and/or to let him see what I have to say...and once again I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt to get his shit before it gets rained on.
Go on, ask me anything if you want.
Saint !!2awKAlVnL double-posted this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^][v]#341,012
@340,353 (Harley !0vJQuinnRw)
Oh yeah, and you know why my family is "being like that" to him? Because he was SUPPOSE to be my fiance, and he never came home one night without contacting me, and remained gone since...all the while sending me texts like on the SAME DAY such as, "I love you baby <333" and writing, "I hate working Saturday morning since I can't snuggle with my lovely fiance" a few hours before he ditched me.
My family was being like that to him because he was suppose to be there for me if I was in need. He was suppose to be my partner. I had a panic attack about the 5th day he was gone without word, was nose bleeding from the pressure/anxiety that he caused me from leaving me in the dark, and I once again ASKED him to come over since I wanted to talk before he would do who-knows-what, and he ignored me...leaving me to pass out where my mom had to come find me a day later and get me help.
So she decided to change the locks in case Gil would continue to do stuff while I was gone (like let my cats out) on his ~*~magical journal to be a normal douchy guy~*~ and purposely do shit to get me to hate him to make leaving easier on his precious innocent self.
Even though this guy has lied and manipulated my mind and emotions so much, that I still fucking love him and pathetically want him no matter what. GG
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 53 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,013
this thread just turned grate
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 46 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,019
damlol
@341,011 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL) > Go on, ask me anything if you want.
Coke or Pepsi?
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Anonymous L replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,022
you two still both suck big time
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 13 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,023
A break up over Minichan? Really? That is as bad as texting it..
I am sorry for making a rash judgement. The way he painted the picture was in his own war paint. I should have been Neutral. I understand the need to get out, but when you live with someone you are responsible for answering to them. And I can understand the need to go out. You cannot stay pinned up in a room with the same daily things over and over. Becomes a chore. You need to try something different. But again, with responsibility. And respect. On both parts. I am sorry about the break up. I like you both. You were both always nice to me. I hope you two can come out of this on somewhat good terms.
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,042
But yes, I agree with you on everything you said. I never said he couldn't go out. A week before he left me, I was sick with strep and a yeast infection. I asked him to stay home with me *that week* for comfort...which I guess was me controlling him and representing a hatred towards even his cool friends.
I tried to /talk/ to him several times about what we both wanted. I told him he could still hang out with his bro-friends, but if he could just not at clubs and bars, and he flipped at me...unwilling to work with me and then speak with me more.
Now he's doing all sorts of mental gymnastics in blaming me for everything, it seems.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 26 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,046
dw !jdTkvovFCQ joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,047
yes from the gross
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 7 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,122
Is Gil coming back? Gil really needs to come back.
Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,124
@341,042 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
If he was not man enough to break up with you in person, and childishness enough to do it on a Chan -- You are lucky he is gone gone gone from your life.
Anonymous V joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 58 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^][v]#341,127
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Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 16 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,196
I'm still here. There is much more to the story that I decided to keep private.
Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,198
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Good because her side laid out what an asshole you ended up being.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,199
@341,196 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
We all make bad decisions from time to time. Unburden yourself.
beckyderp !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,201
@341,196 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
lol, you're a dumbshit.
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,202
Oh boy.
Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 22 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,203
@341,201 (beckyderp !CaTLdYmooc)
He did end up with Hand & he is going to need it.
*stolen from Seinfeld*
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 18 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,221
I told her that I couldn't do this. She didn't listen.
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,239
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Despite the bad, please do not harm yourself.
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 21 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,240
@previous (Harley !bl2QuinnOY)
The problem is, I tried to break up with her before she left for Japan. She decided to interpret my statement as "I want to take a break". I didn't break up over Minichan, she just refused to let me go.
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,241
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
I see. Have you two talked in person since?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,248
@previous (Harley !bl2QuinnOY)
No, she only got back yesterday, and only contacted me to inform me she tossed my stuff out at 4 am, while I was asleep.
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Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,262
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Maybe you two should try?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 19 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,289
@previous (Harley !bl2QuinnOY)
I tried, this relationship was on the rocks three months ago.
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,290
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
So nothing can be done?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,305
@previous (Harley !bl2QuinnOY)
I don't think so. We're finished with each other.
beckyderp !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,306
@341,248 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Oh, so you didn't need the 5-0 to back you up?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 28 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,309
@previous (beckyderp !CaTLdYmooc)
Not really, but we called them to inform them of what was going on, just in case.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,310
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
I don't understand, can you not slap any sense into her?
Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 28 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,311
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc) THAT Would land him in the slammer!
Anonymous X joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 27 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,312
was she hard to live with?
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,313
@341,310 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
I am better than that. I was hoping that she would react to the break up a little bit better than she did, because even though I can't be that guy anymore, she is still a good person. @previous (X)
In the end, yes. I felt like I was always in trouble or that I was causing her undue stress.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,314
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
there's always the slightly more sophisticated "alpha roll."
bet you never tried that shit.
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Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,315
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q) > sophisticated > using a dog training technique that is considered dangerous today to use on even a dog
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Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,316
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Oops forgot I had this saved to my phone.
Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 28 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,317
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
So if its true?
She discovered you used MC to do the break-off
You discovered she tossed your shit on the lawn in bags
What did you expect?
Anonymous Z-1 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 16 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,319
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 15 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,321
@340,559 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
nothing tastes as good as skinny feels. i am proud of her. the forum did it's job.
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,322
@previous (Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA)
That's horrible. Causing anorexia isn't a good thing love.
Anonymous X replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,323
please post more on scachan. We'll love you to pieces, and have fun.
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,324
@341,240 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
You're a liar as always.
@341,289 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
He NEVER tried. In fact, it took me going into his work just to find out what as going on, where he talked to me for a matter of six minutes before he ran off to the back room, because he wouldn't answer any of my phone calls or texts after three days of my trying to contact him when he just didn't decide to come home from work one night.
@341,196 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Oh, since you're still being such a little liar, and trying to play the "I'm so innocent and she's a crazy bitch" card...no doubt because your family has convinced you of such, lets share the story. I'll try to make it as little as little TL;DR as possible, but even then it will be as such.
> Gil gets a new job as a sales person. He goes from working in a huge department grocery store, to a tiny shop. > He has always been really impressionable, always wanting to fit in and be part of the "cool crowd" since school. His mother even told me that herself. > All the people at the new store are regular guys. He wants to fit in, feels stress that he's an awkward geeky kid (that I used to love), and wants to keep this new job due to the apprehension of just being fired from his old one. > They all smoke. He starts smoking. It's a win-win. It releases his stress, AND it lets him fit in. > He comes home smelling and tasting like cigarettes. I calmly ask him several times if he has been smoking (something I am against, and something he promised he would not do anymore to me). > He lies every time to me, tells me "no", says it's just his co-workers scent on him. > I find lighters everywhere, I ask him why he needs so many, he flips on me, "I TOLD YOU I WASN'T SMOKING!!" > I back off > Six months later, he transfers to a new store, same chain, where the guys there are even MORE typical dudes, and around his age--so he feels even MORE pressured to fit in. These guys enjoy their time doing typical guy things like going to clubs and bars. All of them are single. He thinks his bro-boss is his new bff, and anything his boss says is golden. He starts to take on typical guy antics. > Go into his work one day, catch him smoking in the act. > I say a couple things in a fit of anger that I have been getting lied to for 6 months, and that he was doing something he promised me he wouldn't. > I tell him to stay at his parents for_a_few_days due to being so upset, and to come_back_when_I_said_so (as ANY therapist will tell you this is the correct thing to do if you are upset with someone so hard)--to remove yourself for a couple days.
> No contact for days, I end up going back to cutting myself and self-abusing myself (look, I admit when I do bad things!). > Ask him to come over to talk. He ACTUALLY does. He sees my cuts, says he will help me get better and be there for me (as always). > He has to go back to his family's houe then.
> Try to contact him then. He doesn't respond at all. > Keep trying to contact him for about a week. No response > Find out over facebook this time that he decided the relationship was over > I walk to his house to TRY and talk to him, to get some answers and closure. > Thus where his parents attacked me, saying that I was "No good for 'Gil', because I was a vegetarian and I liked the city, while Gil ate meat and liked the country."...I'm not kidding here. > They blamed his smoking and poor eating habits on me, saying that it was my fault because I wasn't taking care of him well enough, and that I should have been making meals for him and cleaning for him. > Note his mother started to slowly resent me, because I'm sterile, and she would always make comments to her friends on the phone or family (that she thought I didn't hear) such as, "They would have beautiful children together!" or "I wish they would have kids." > She obviously wants him with a typical house-wife American dream. > They also went off on me about how we never visited them enough, despite being over there for 2-3 days a week, anywhere from 9-12 hours in the day. When I started showing my discontent about those long hours, it was when I started to become "controlling" and "trying to keep him away from his family." > Gil cried against me, said he didn't want to break up after all, that he still wanted to be with me, but that he would live with his parents for a while.
> I missed him a lot, begged him to move back with me, and "wrote" a contact with myself, his family, and him that I would do what they wanted and cook every meal for him from scratch. He said he would come back eventually. > A couple months went by of me asking him to come back, cooking him elaborate meals when he would come over to eat and fuck. > He decides to come back the day his parents STOLE and HID his medication because THEY decided they didn't want him on it anymore (aka since it was making him have some balls against them). > So he's now back with me, later finding out only because he was pissed at his parents. > He needs his medication, doesn't have the money for it. I shove out $100 for it on the spot.
> He's with me for 3 months @341,289 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.) > I'm doing my "job" and staying true to my words of making sure he was eating healthy and cooking tons of stuff for him. I also kept my promise to him about no longer cutting. > Him "trying" to save the relationship then was him getting upset with me that I automatically didn't trust him 100% within the first week of him being back with me, telling over and over that I needed to trust him. > I tried my best to be stable, but I still had anxieties about the "long hours" he was working, why he still smelt like cigarettes sometimes, and having -natural- fear that his parents would convince him to leave me again (again, this being all less than 3 months). > He assured me that he was clean, that he would not leave me again, that it was a huge mistake on his part to do that, and that he wouldn't let his family convince him that I was a "selfish evil controlling bitch" again. > I stood next to the bed, saying "This is me saying right now--you can see your family, go if you want...just know that they will try and convince you to leave me again." > "I know, but I won't let them."
> Back to co-workers: His bro-co-workers work hard at getting him to go out clubbing with them. I express that I don't like that, because he's suppose to be in a committed relationship, engaged, and that clubs are a bad place for single people...as there are drunks all around (keep in mind we live in NJ/boarder of PA), people grind dance against you without your permission, and I didn't want other girls touching him in their dancing or drunkeness. Also the fact that Gil gets completely drunk after ONE beer, and then doesn't remember half his antics the next day. > Was simply asking for respect and safety. > He tells me he won't go out then, all lovingly.
> Next week he calls me up from work, asks if he can go out with his bros...I am always so submissive to him and I do what he wants...so I say it's okay. > He goes out, doesn't get home until 6 AM...doesn't give me a single call or text. > I freak out. He tries to tell me that it was my fault, because I didn't tell him "no" when he asked, and that he hated being out at the club and with his co-workers. I called bull-shit, because if that was the case, then he wouldn't have been out so late, especially when the clubs around here close at 2 at latest.
> For something that I DID do wrong now (since I'm not a pathetic liar), next week I said I was going to go out to the club to see how he likes it, wanting him to make him feel what I did...in attempts at getting him to respect me more...so I "went out"...really went to a movie though, told him I went to a movie when I got home, and showed him the ticket. He thought it was a bit funny, called me a troll, etc.
> A week before the clubbing events, he started to get in contact with his parents again because he needed them to fix his car (you can see he is user). The natural thing happens then, and he starts talking to them once more. > I cry really hard about this, RIGHTFULLY afraid that they were going to convince him to leave me again. > He coddles me and tells me he wont, no matter what.
> A week later then, after the clubbing incident, on Saturday (clubbing day for his bros), the same morning he's all loving with me and sending me cute texts, there is an issue with his insurance. He tells me about it. Says he's going to talk to his mom about it. I say over and over that it's okay that he does that, but to just please come home FIRST. > He gets angry with me about that comment, goes off on me then about how "I'm going to make choices that you don't always agree with!" in a nasty tone...right then and there I knew this had to do with more than just his parents, and his desire to go out like a single dude and "live it up" the way all his single co-workers are.
> Doesn't come home. > I text him around 2:00AM asking where he is. He responds only with "I need time to think. Let me be." > Wait 3 days...have no idea where he is or what he's doing. Try hard to ask him to come talk to me several times. > Ignored every time. > Have to end up going into his work just to find out what is up.
> He barely talks to me, LITERALLY telling me "I need a break!" and several times over and over, "I WANT TO BE A NORMAL GUY!" > I try to compromise with him, saying that he is free to hang out with his bro-friends, but just to please not do it at clubs and bars. "I CAN'T! That's how they hang out! That's what normal guys do!" > Proceeds to put the need for his break on me, saying how it's all my fault he needs a break, because I said some "mean things" to him when I found out he was smoking and lying to me for six months (how dare I get emotional), and that I was too clingy and not trusting him like I should (yet he was even smoking that very day I went to his work now)...so I was suppose to trust him when he was still telling me the same lies. That I shouldn't be so upset with these events because I apparently kicked him out before when I said for him to stay at his parents a few days...that was me kicking me out in his head...even though both me and my therapist at the time told him striaght up, it wasn't kicking him out. > I try hard to get him to come home just a couple days to TALK to me about it, before I would leave for Japan, so that I wouldn't feel so stressed and horrible while there (which was me just being selfish to ask such a thing). > Tells me again that he just needs a break, and runs off to the back room.
> A few days go by without contact again. Still no idea where he is for that matter. > Get a text then of him saying, "I want my money from the profits we made"...the money we made at art shows together, that we had in one place that was being saved for our wedding. > He comes over to get his half. I don't argue about giving it to him at all. > He strokes my face and tells me, "I do love you, and I do care about you. This may not mean breaking up with you, but I'm not sure about living *here*." He gives me a soft hug and kiss.
> I come back from Japan. Find this thread, this is where we are now...with him lying his little ass off about everything, and obviously worked into thinking by /some people/ to leave me again, and that I was being controlling and keeping him from seeing his family and friends.
There, are we all educated now? Honestly, I miss the old Gil...A LOT...or I miss the person he was pretending to be. I don't know if he was just pretending to be someone all these years for the sake of fucking me and using me, or if he just changed...but I do pathetically hope that some sense gets put into him, and that the literal and metaphorical toxins in his brain get SOMEHOW removed...even though I know that is a slim chance...
@341,313 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
So in the end, he is not a better person "than that". He never told me he was breaking up with me.
...And the reason why he always felt like he was in trouble, was because I knew he was lying to me, and he knew he was lying to me. It's natural math.
...So yes, it was/is causing me stress...and despite the MANY times where I kindly offered him to talk to me about anything and to just be honest, he wasn't manly enough to do so. He'd rather take the easy way out in the end for himself, set his guilt free by lying even more and doing enough mental gymnastics to change the reality, and to just end up tossing me aside if it meant he could have his own cheap thrills.
And one last thing, Minichan. Remember this? @340,559 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
This is ANOTHER example of Gil blaming other people for something bad that happened that was actually his own fault. It was true I did get depressed over being called fat here. I did extremely watch what I ate, and worked out more. In the end, I ended up losing a whole 10lbs because of Minichan.
Want to know where the rest of the 40lbs were lost from? HIM--Gil. Due to being left, ignored, and mentally manipulated, I lost the ability to eat and keep things down. This was not something I hid from him either. I told him the TRUTH when he would ask "why are you not eating?" ...because I wanted to be /truthful/ and /truly/ worth things out like real adults do in a real reconciliations....haven realistic expectations (though unrealistic in Gil's head) that my partner would be there to help me and talk to me about things.
buspup !!+XGDJJHci replied with this 14 years ago, 25 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,325
@previous (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
This has been freaking brilliant. You are some kind of awesome writer.
Is there any specific friend who has negatively influenced gil, or was it just the group as a whole?
buspup !!+XGDJJHci double-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,327
@341,324 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
I'd love it if you would post on Scatchan sometime. We would end up having fun.
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,329
@341,322 (Harley !bl2QuinnOY)
Yes I realized how horrible it was after I posted. But sometimes I wish I were anorexic. Then I realize how horrible that sounds, too.
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,331
@341,325 (buspup !!+XGDJJHci)
Thank you. I do get complimented a lot for my writing, not trying to brag though...it just reminds me that I actually DO need to get my ass into motion to write more.
Sorry about the few typos in there too...
> Is there any specific friend who has negatively influenced gil, or was it just the group as a whole?
I think it was his new bff-boss at the new store he worked in. It's so obvious...because all Gil did was talk about his boss, and his eyes would light up so much when he did. He was so happy speaking about him, always talking about how great he is, etc.
Not only that, his boss's ex has the SAME name as me. One of the first things his boss said to Gil was, "Every girl named [my name] is always a bitch."
So thinking about natural human behavior, his boss is going to have some negative residual energy left from his ex named ___ ...so I'm sure when Gil would speak of with me or talk about my ideals on things that contrasted with the typical bro way of life, his boss would associate me with his ex since we had the same name, and react negatively to me.
I also think a lot had to do with his family's influence, too, on the part to leave me, since they did so before...since I wasn't a typical house-wife, and I have some mental challenges like depression and anxiety. I'm crazy, in their exact words.
So a combo of those things...of course that is just my observation though.
@341,327 (buspup !!+XGDJJHci)
I'm not really sure what Scatchan is. To be honest, I'm not fond of chans at all these days. I'm just posting here, because it would be unjust to let Gil run his mouth off against me like this...to allow myself to get shit on by him even more than I already have.
Of course in his head though, I completely deserve it for chaining him to a chair every night and forcing him to eat nothing but a head of lettuce.
(Edited 1 minute later.)
buspup !!+XGDJJHci replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,333
Gil, please weigh in on this!
buspup !!+XGDJJHci double-posted this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,334
@341,331 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
Has gil ever dome anything really stupid when he was drunk?
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,335
@previous (buspup !!+XGDJJHci)
Oh man...yeah, but I don't know if I want sink that low, as to write about it, because I STILL want to be the better person than him, and I STILL have a little heart left for him...even though I don't know why...
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 22 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,336
buspup !!+XGDJJHci replied with this 14 years ago, 22 seconds later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,339
@341,337 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
Please pm the mods at scatchan.net, so that we can discuss things sporadically, no emails needed.
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,341
Don't go to Scatchan.
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 13 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,342
@341,338 (Harley !bl2QuinnOY)
Thank you. I think I might need some people to talk to these days with the mess thrown at me...
Also, since I know Gil is reading this, and thus responding...here's ANOTHER chance that I am asking/offering you: Lets talk. One-on-one. You know where I am...and if you can't show up to face me in person alone, you know where you can message me online so that we can jump on messenger and do it in real time.
(Edited 45 seconds later.)
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 24 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,346
@previous (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
Not a problem dear. At all. :)
protip !!pMmAiEwOm replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,348
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Anonymous Z-5 replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,350
@341,342 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
Look up the definition of Scat. Site was set up for people addicted to fecal shit stuff. Heavy on anal.
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,351
buspup !!+XGDJJHci replied with this 14 years ago, 46 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,357
@341,350 (Anonymous Z-5)
Its really just a random forum.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 28 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,361
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 56 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,363
Odin forbid I vent about my frustration on a public network. Oh, I'm sorry. Didn't realize that it's okay for you to do it on livejournal, where all of those entries are still there, but not for me on a chan, where if you had just left the thread be, would have fallen off Page 10 with time. This is why we can't be together, you don't have the capability to let things go. I am not participating in this conversation any longer. And for the record, you threw me out the first time, I didn't "leave you", like you have been calling it since you took me back. You want to cram me in a little box. I was still basically a kid when we started dating, and just because you are set in your tastes and habits, does not mean that I was or even am. I spun my wheels for three years, quit college, stopped doing so many things because I was afraid of your disapproval. No more. Congrats on becoming the very thing you hate. Interpret any way you want to, because I haven't a single fuck to give anymore.
(Edited 9 minutes later.)
Anonymous Z-3 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,364
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@341,321 (Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA)
Many, many things taste better than skinny feels.
pancakes replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 5 days after the original post[^][v]#341,385
lol, autism
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 28 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,386
@341,363 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Excuse me, but those livejournal entries or either locked so only YOU could see it, or they are f-locked for my close friends to read them like "E". Livejournal and blogging sites have settings like that.
The truth is you DID leave me the first time too. That's what it's doing when I say to come back after those few days, and you say you will, then you ignore further texts from me to come back and talk, and say our relationship is over on Facebook.
Even if you were "just a kid" when we started dating, you were more of a man than you are now. Now you're an immature brat who won't take responsibilities for his actions, blaming others for EVERYTHING. It's not that I can't let things go, it's that I am a human-fucking-being who wants to talk about THINGS and pesters the person who I thought was my SO to TALK about them when he chooses to ignore everything and run away instead of dealing with reality, all the while shitting on me. You strung me along.
And you should know very well that it's going to take more than a fucking week or 3 months to get over things like the shit you did to me--because you ALWAYS brought up stuff your parents did to you in your past more times than I can count. Things that hurt people just-don't-go-away like that...to which every time you would bring up the same stories about how your mom did this-or-that, or how you were picked on in school, I was ALWAYS there to listen and comfort you, telling you how awesome you were.
Oh by the way, you were FAILING college BEFORE you met me, then made the choice to drop out. You said you made that choice BEFORE we started dating, to which you blamed your mom for. And, just like how you're saying that I controlled you not to see your parents, I also literally said you could go back to school any time (save for the past month when I was ASKING you if you wanted to wait until summer so I could take some classes WITH you since we WERE suppose to be partners).
But go ahead and blame me for more of your bad choices and the lowly person you are becoming. Never take responsibility as always. FYI it's not a bad thing to fear disappointing your SO either. I never wanted to disappoint you as well, which was why I was always TRYING to talk to you and get us to talk...but you picked the choice to run instead of being an adult and treating the person you apparently "loved" right.
But as you said, you haven't a single fuck to give anymore. Lets see where that takes you in your life if you simply don't care about others or yourself (you may think you're caring for yourself, but with your current life style [smoking, drinking, and other "healthy" shit so that you're happy for a few seconds] it's not).
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,395
Fucks sake, Im always bloody to4str. Im not even a fucking homo or a pedo. FML.
Anonymous Z-6 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,418
wow whoa this got ugly fast
kinda odd how quickly everyone is jumping sides
the least you could do is listen to both
saint seems to have a good explanation for everything hes talking about and if youve noticed gil has a mean angry unhappy tone while saint has a good clear neutral one
kinda naive to listen to the angry biased side only dont you think
gil was being an asshole and saint is rightfully mad about it
how would you feel if your partner of a very long time couldnt take the blame for anything that was their fault and consistently lied to you for months then went around painting nasty pictures of you and ruining your reputation
rude
as directly to gil i think youre in the wrong
saint has explained things as to why shes upset and the least you could do is try to see it from her side which you are clearly not
you will not look beyond your point of view
thus making you biased
thus making you untrustworthy
if not for the things you did that alone makes you a bigger asshole than saint ever could be for getting mad about it js
sorry for your situation saint
i hope everything gets better for you
Anonymous X replied with this 14 years ago, 13 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,424
@341,363 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Please come to scatchan.net and tell your side of the story. We will have a blast.
Harley !bl2QuinnOY replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,467
> wow whoa this got ugly fast > kinda odd how quickly everyone is jumping sides > the least you could do is listen to both > saint seems to have a good explanation for everything hes talking about and if youve noticed gil has a mean angry unhappy tone while saint has a good clear neutral one > kinda naive to listen to the angry biased side only dont you think > > gil was being an asshole and saint is rightfully mad about it > how would you feel if your partner of a very long time couldnt take the blame for anything that was their fault and consistently lied to you for months then went around painting nasty pictures of you and ruining your reputation > rude > > as directly to gil i think youre in the wrong > saint has explained things as to why shes upset and the least you could do is try to see it from her side which you are clearly not > you will not look beyond your point of view > thus making you biased > thus making you untrustworthy > > if not for the things you did that alone makes you a bigger asshole than saint ever could be for getting mad about it js > > sorry for your situation saint > i hope everything gets better for you
I agree with everything in this post.
Gil, you could have posted somewhere else. Posting this here only fanned tge flames. You were hoping your minichan friends would take your side since they used to make fun of Saint. That.. that is cruel of you. If you really did love her, even after the break up you still would hace respected her and talked about it elsewhere.
Saint is giving full answers to the questions asked. You are just barking out cop outs. She even said she was willing to try and work everything out. Even on a friendly basis. As a "man" as you are claiming to want to be, you would have respected that. Instead, the path you seek is that of the douche.
Now don't think I am taking sides due to gender. She presented her case. You have done nothing but fish tail. Fuck, she even provided proof. Little boy, you got some growing up to do if you want to be a douche when you grow up. Pro-tip: guys you wanna be with almost always end up forever alones/std filled/or with gold diggers that cheat. I still agree you two should have talked more about going out, but flying fuck pickles dude. You are in the wrong.
Dead !Pool7hVoC2 replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,490
@341,397 (Z-1)
THATS why these two names sounded so familliar!
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,491
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,499
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 14 years ago, 47 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,515
anyway, i feel you, bro. But look on the bright side, now you're free to get as many prostitutes as you like without her hassling you about it.
Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 17 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,530
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Hep A B C and Crabs cum free side dishes on the side.
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,534
Ok, time for some cold hard facts. I know I said that I was done with this thread, but I see now that my argument wasn't laid out as well as it could be. lets start from the beginning, with Saint's first post.
> I lost count of the amount of times I LITERALLY said that you COULD see your parents.
Two, maybe three times. After I left, when she would have said anything if she thought it would convince me to return.
> clubbing and drinking
not exactly a good description of my activities with my coworkers. It evokes a feeling of us looking like the cast of Jersey Shore, drinking excessively large quantities of hard liquor, and dancing with strange women in order to sleep with them. A more accurate term would be having a few beers with my friends at the bar. We only went to the nightclub once to play pool and listen to music that we all like. Granted, I should have texted her, and I do feel terrible about that. But her retaliation/punishment for what I did? That was fucked up, and I only pretended to think it was funny.
Do you want to know why what you did didn't make me jealous? The situation that you told me you were in was that you had picked up some girls off of *Craigslist*. Do you know how dangerous that is? I went to a bar and listened to some music with some guys I have known for almost a year, and therefore trust. You were too pissed off and focused on vengance to realize that you just told me you went "somewhere" with people you didn't know at all. So yeah, I wasn't jealous. I am sorry that I didn't give you the reaction you wanted at all. I was too busy worrying that you were dead in a ditch, because people have been killed doing what you "did".
> I never said he couldn't go out.
Many times, and whenever she did let me go hang out with the friends she approved of (after hating them until I FORCED her to meet and spend time with them) her attitude screamed that she didn't want me to go, because it took me away from her. I finally relented, and brought her along, and told the guys I wasn't coming when she didn't feel like doing it, even if I wanted to.
> I told him he could still hang out with his bro-friends, but if he could just not at clubs and bars
You told me I could still visit my parents, on the condition that I didn't hang out with my "Bro-Friends"
Allow me to describe said "bros":
-My boss, despite the clothing he wears and his laid back attitude, is a HUUGE gamer nerd, just like me. He actually spent a few years playing pro starcraft and tekken. He also is a music geek. Saint met him for, five minutes tops, and decided she hated hime because of his opinion he had on pot. He feels that it should be legalized, taxed like cigarettes, and regulated like alchohol (legal smoking age, DWI charges for driving baked, etc.), because it would ease the economic strain that keeping people locked up for possession of pot induces, having it taxed would give a boost to the economy, and having laws to regulate its use would keep people safe.
-Coworker #1: Lets just call him The Scientist. He's going to Penn state with a double major of some type of biological chemistry and botany. He's working at our store over the summer and also working landscaping jobs to pick up some extra cash over the summer. He comes into work with a book on the human genome to read on down time in the store. Saint never met him, just decided he was like Jordan by association.
-Coworker #2: He's the guy that's better at computers than I am. He builds them as a side venture, and gave me a few things on the cheap to help get my rig build started.
{sarcasm}So yeah, total bros.{/sarcasm} The only reason she doesn't like them is because they occasionally go out and have a few beers together on a weekend.
> because I was a vegetarian and I liked the city, while Gil ate meat and liked the country.
Way to focus in on two little details instead of the whole picture. She was trying to explain that I couldn't eat the same way you did, and that I needed to eat meat, even though you hated the smell of it cooking, and that I wouldn't last two weeks living in New York City. Those had nothing to do with our relationship, the reason she said we should call it off was because we don't communicate well with each other (see: this thread, the past year or so) and while we were great for each other in a time when we both needed someone to love and be loved by, some things just don't work out.
> Gil gets completely drunk after ONE beer, and then doesn't remember half his antics the next day
because when I was living with her, I'd be allowed to drink maybe once in two, three months, and I had no tolerance for it. A couple of weekends of me getting used to having two beers (about how much I drink, oh wow), and while I would NEVER drive in that state, at least I don't get wasted after one and forget shit anymore.
> saint seems to have a good explanation for everything hes talking about and if youve noticed gil has a mean angry unhappy tone while saint has a good clear neutral one
Well of course Saint has a better "writers voice", she's been writing novel length fiction stories since she was in High School, and hiding her true emotions for even longer. I just write what I am feeling, and gimme a break, this was my first real relationship, so of course I'm upset that it's over.
> gil i think youre in the wrong
I never said I was faultless in this. I should have been more clear with her that I can't do this meant I can't be with you anymore, picked up my things before she left, I don't know.
> the least you could do is try to see it from her side which you are clearly not
Trust me, you heve no idea what has been going on between us, just from this thread. Don't act like you do.
Anonymous Z-6 replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,541
@previous (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Veggies only & Meat eaters are FAIL from the get go.
Gil !z9/naRmOr. (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,543
@previous (Anonymous Z-6)
Dude, homo sapiens is an omnivorous species.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 45 seconds later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,544
I interpret this as Gil just wanting to be himself, have fun, and stop being 'suffocated' by his woman. Now, please don't take that as an insult Saint! It's sure not meant to be one. Gil is obviously not ready for the deeply committed relationship you're looking for, let him go, find a guy who's been waiting for someone like you. Gil, go your own way, do your own thing. Life is too short to be unhappy for long. Make peace with each other and move on.
Good luck, kids. ;)
Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,546
@341,543 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
100% Agree
Plans for a huge hunk of red meat on bar-b-q tonight! Medium rare on the rare side & black on the outside.
Roasted veggies on the grill.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,548
Nobody say anything mean about the other person. They'll be back together in a month and there'll only be resentment for you because of it. Just be supportive.
i think your feelings are what's important right now.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,552
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
What are they, like 21? This is not the time to be in an unhappy relationship. Wasted_Youth.exe
Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 25 seconds later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,553
@341,548 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc) unfortunately so often true
Born this Way !dLadyGAgAA replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,607
@341,544 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
old wise man of the forum
Saint !!2awKAlVnL replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,631
@341,534 (Gil !z9/naRmOr.)
Well since you're still replying, I guess this really is the ONLY way that you will talk to me, if it's even indirectly....I'm sorry it has to be like this, I really am...and there's no sarcasm there at all, because as much as you probably hate me now due to influences...I still love you and care for you...and as a human being, though one that is perceived as crazy and psycho, I still have feelings and thoughts that I think I should be able to talk to you about (since you are refusing me), someone who I have been in a relationship for so long with, and someone who promised me things and decided not to work with me. If you're not going to give me proper closure and a proper conversation, then this is where I guess I need to say things so that you'll "hear" me.
> I lost count of the amount of times I LITERALLY said that you COULD see your parents. > Two, maybe three times. After I left, when she would have said anything if she thought it would convince me to return.
I had to say them more? That's part of the problem that you fell into. You started to allow other people to dictate and control your actions. You waited for other people to make choices for you.
It's the same thing as to when you told me the first time, when I asked you how I hurt you. Your answer was, "When was the last time I did coding?" ...Why the HELL would I have to tell you it's okay to do your hobbies? Why should someone have to be told every-single-time when they can do something that is /okay/ to do? So now you're going around blaming me that I kept you from your parents because you wanted to go and never asked? How was I suppose to know, especially when you *acted* like you hated them and smacked talked them more than half the time? Yes, there were a couple times when you said you were going to see your parents after work, and I DID request that you come home first for a little, but I told you that you COULD see them.
I can picture your reply being something along the lines of what you said before about never saying anything because you were afraid of me and didn't want to disappointment me. Well then it comes back around to FULL CIRCLE about all the chances I gave you talk to me, and the common knowledge to talk to me about things. That just doesn't mean verbally either. You know I had some challenges speaking words sometimes, so I wrote them to you on paper. You could have just gave the effort you know...and if you were THAT scared of my reactions, we had many times where I "dragged" you in to therapy to sit with me where you could have spoken up...but you know what you did while there too? Just lied more and spoke of yourself in a different light than how you really are "I wish she would stop worrying about me going out to bars or drinking! I'm not like that!" Yet in reality you really wanted to...I could sense it, which is why I always brought it up, and which is why we are where we are at today.
Again, it's your problem with lying. You're /again/ blaming me...saying how wrong I am that I treated you ~so unfairly~...but how was I suppose to when all you did is lie and ignore me? I didn't know what to do, and I tried my best to talk to you, get you to talk to me, and then naturally I felt insecure and "clingy" because I wanted both you and us to be okay in our relationship. I didn't want it to come to this.
> Granted, I should have texted her, and I do feel terrible about that. But her retaliation/punishment for what I did? That was fucked up, and I only pretended to think it was funny.
I already admitted what I was wrong here. And I'm sorry. But this line...right here "I only pretended to think it was funny."
More pretend...more lies. Maybe if you could just be HONEST for once, we could have worked things out, and you wouldn't have end up running away the next day. You lie about -everything-
> Many times, and whenever she did let me go hang out with the friends she approved of (after hating them until I FORCED her to meet and spend time with them) her attitude screamed that she didn't want me to go, because it took me away from her. I finally relented, and brought her along, and told the guys I wasn't coming when she didn't feel like doing it, even if I wanted to.
Many times? You mean the times I was sick? And asked you to stay home with me a few times to comfort me instead go out....
Wow...so selfish.
You would go out often,too, sometimes 4+ times a week. You were working long hours and "over time". You would come home, eat, and then go out again. I missed you! I am suppose to miss you. I even told you, "It's not that I don't want you to go out, I just missed you all day." ...excuse me for being a loving partner...
You know what as well? You are right about how you "relented" with "J" and "C" so that I could meet them! You actually did the right thing for once! Isn't is normal for your SO to meet your friends, too? I was having anxieties about things, Gil WORKED with me, "held my hand" and let me know things were okay. Now I ended up being friends with those two guys as well (though I accept the truth I probably wont see them anymore).
And please...I even remember what I fed you that one night...the gluten free pizza...a night where I said I missed so bad, that I would have liked you to stay home and cuddle me, but to please go out...and you DID go out. That is just bullshit about how you "told the guys I wasn't coming when she didn't feel like doing it, even if I wanted to." I guess you are referring to the times I was sick then, and you probably just felt /obligated/ to be with me...see, youf friends always over me...yet you get SO mad when my family puts me second...hmn.
> > I told him he could still hang out with his bro-friends, but if he could just not at clubs and bars > You told me I could still visit my parents, on the condition that I didn't hang out with my "Bro-Friends"
What!? This is the biggest pile of bullshit that I think you said in this whole thread...and you said a lot of bullshit. This is not true at all. What the fuck are you doing or smoking to make you change the reality of things so much? Seriously...because I think I might actually WANT some, so that I can change you from my head and make me stop wanting you and loving you.
> Allow me to describe said "bros":
I hated your bro friends, because of other things you told me about them too (one example was how you would talk about how "JD" always gets durnk)...about how you would worship anything your boss said like it was gold. I hated your co-workers because that's when you started to get into "normal" things, as I know you had always wanted to be at the cool-kids table, and I felt like you would do whatever they were doing to fit in...first the smoking, and then the clubbing and bars. How many times did you tell me, "'JD' always says every girl named ___ is a bitch!"....so I really had to wonder what that meant, and what he was subconsciously planting in your head about me, just due to my name.
Now was the point where you were become selfish, so instead of working with me like you did with "J" and "C", you just ignored me, and you lied to me non stop about every little thing when it came to them. Of course I would feel upset and resentment when the truth of what was going on was right in front of me, yet your mouth spoke otherwise.
...And I'll just say it again, not like you care though, if you were just willing to work with me and compromise with me (the way people should in a relationship), all I asked is that you wouldn't go to clubs.
> Way to focus in on two little details instead of the whole picture. She was trying to explain that I couldn't eat the same way you did, and that I needed to eat meat, even though you hated the smell of it cooking, and that I wouldn't last two weeks living in New York City.
....Did you really want me to type out that WHOLE verbal attack your parents gave me? Even as I wrote in the short-version of the the events, I "cleaned up my act" and I changed the way I ate and cooked FOR you. I changed it all. I made sure we/you were eating meat all the time. Even if I don't like the smell of meat, I still cooked it for you, because I fucking-love-you, and as the saying goes, "sacrifice should come easy if it's for someone you love." ...so big deal, I would have to deal with a smell I didn't like for a couple hours. I didn't give a shit if it meant making you happy and healthy....a thought that I wish you shared about me in the end...
> the reason she said we should call it off was because we don't communicate well with each other > She said
Our relationship was not your family's to dictate...but in the end you allowed them to...just like that other line you said before, "I was just a kid"...that was probably more of your mother's words put in your head, "'Gil' you were just a kid when she started dating you!'"....I met you in Nov of 2009 when you were 19...we started dating in Dec., Come Jan 1st, you are 20 years old. 20 years old is NOT a kid.
Your family didn't live with us. They didn't see how our relationship was. The only thing they got on our relationship was on those long hours we were over there several days a week...where I was quiet and withdrawn, because the dog's constant barking gave me a headache...because I was tired of being there for 10 hours for the second time that week...that was not a representation of our relationship. Your family just didn't want me with you, because I had displeasure about being over their house for so long, so many days a week, took you away from them to be an adult in his own place, wasn't a typical house wife, I wasn't ~*~perfect~*~ since I have depression and anxiety (yet most people DO have some mental challenges, even you with your ADD), and I didn't want kids.
> (see: this thread, the past year or so)
...Okay, maybe your mom was right about it on your part. So many times, even in this thread, I have been trying to get you to talk to me. You grew up in theater, you know how to act, and you became a salesperson...where you job is to sell someone (me) something, and make me buy it.
While most of your lies were obvious, there were some things that you acted well on. That you appeared fine and happy with (like taking care of me when I got depressed...though earlier you said you were really sick of it)...and the next thing as well you appeared and SAID you were fine with:
> I'd be allowed to drink maybe once in two, three months,
This was back when you were "just a kid"...ah, like 20-21...and you actually RESPECTED me and the way I felt about alcohol and intoxicated people. I /thought/ it was a compromise--as that's what relationships are about. We made the agreement that you could drink as long as it was with me.
If you wanted to drink more, it was something you should have, again, TALKED to me about, or wrote to me, whatever method...not go out and do it behind my back, or then gripe about and blame me for "controlling" you when you never even let me know things.
You also would always go into rants (back then) about how stupid drunks are, and how pathetic alcohol is. You would talk about how you thought it was lame that people felt the *had* to drink, and it just made them idiots...but really you were wishing to drink more these past years? JFC, I really am wondering how much truth you told me in our almost 4-year relationship.
> hiding her true emotions for even longer.
Do you...realize how contradicting that single statement is compared to everything else you have been spewing this whole thread about me?
> I should have been more clear with her that I can't do this meant I can't be with you anymore, picked up my things before she left, I don't know.
Something you are actually owning up to? Maybe we are making progress after all...I'm not trying to be brass with saying that...I really do wish for you to be a decent person....
However, literally telling me, "This doesn't mean breaking up with you." as the last thing you say to me before I left for Tokyo, seemed pretty clear to me...
So...if you're getting so pissed at me for replying to you every time, just solve the problem and lets actually talk 1-on-1. I'm always going to be here for you...
Anonymous V replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,634
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Anonymous U replied with this 14 years ago, 33 minutes later, 6 days after the original post[^][v]#341,636
@previous (V)
Disagree. Each needs to communicate. If this is the only way they are going to communicate - So be it.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#341,651
You two should get back together, if only for one night.
The makeup sex after this clusterfuck would probably be really great.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#341,659
Anonymous P replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#341,682
ok this is getting unreadable, but by all means continue
Anonymous Z-7 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 7 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#341,793
@341,324 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
Jesus fuck. I just saw the link to this thread on scatchan. I hope you can both take away this one lesson. Getting in a very serious relationship at a young age, imevitably turns into a complete shitshow.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 19 minutes later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#341,796
@previous (Z-7)
I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE GOATS BRO,
I WARNED YOU
The Truth !XRJSgJUbuM joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 days later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#342,409
@341,324 (Saint !!2awKAlVnL)
You are a fucking sterile, vegetarian, self-harming whore that exposes herself fucking on the internet, damaged goods piece of shit that can barely call itself a woman; where does all the entitlement and judgmental bullshit towards Gil come from?
You are just a piece of meat that can only be used for receiving penises, you really believe you are wife material?
You can't even accomplish the most BASIC fundamental functions of one, you are a completely mentally unstable emotional baggage useless depressing crying self-loathing bitch, YOU CAN'T EVEN REPRODUCE and you starve your man with shitty meals. You completely lack self-respect and want to be respected? Get the fuck out of here.
But worst of all, you are careless and fucking ungrateful; the only man that was willing to carry you around like the crippled retarded down syndrome baby you are, you pushed away, he took all your shitty existence and inhuman traits and still stayed with you until you forced him to get the fuck out because you disliked his friends and wouldn't allow him to smoke a fucking cigarette?
You need to get a fucking grip on life, stay alone so you don't fuck more people up and making them end up being a subhuman shit stain like you. You should be licking this man's balls every single day of your pathetic existence for even taking the time to be with someone so pitiful and sorry like you.
/The Truth.
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Anonymous G replied with this 14 years ago, 23 hours later, 1 week after the original post[^][v]#342,677