Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,669
@previous (A)
no they didn't. they ate soft foods, drank liquid nourishment, ate cooked grains, and used mechanical means of breaking down food. (such as someone chewing for them lol). Did you think that old people used to just drop dead when they lost their teeth?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,678
@previous (E)
Yes I do. In the ancient world a much higher percentage of old people dropped dead from losing their teeth than happens today, as with many other problems of aging.
Old people were rare a few centuries ago. There's a reason for that.
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Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,682
@previous (A)
yes you do? why did you say that? Anyway, old people died earlier from a variety of problems, and people worked around not having teeth. they didn't just die.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,685
@previous (E)
Because I do. I fully believe not having teeth was more likely to induce starvation in the ancient world than it is in modern society.
The sentence is legible and grammatically correct. Why the confusion?
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,686
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 42 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,721
I for one get more respect around here as Anon. Dats why.
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Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,730
I somehow doubt in a post-apocalyptic world you'd live long enough to need gold teeth. Besides, the argument is that gold would be worthless as currency, because currency wouldn't function as intended. Not totally worthless.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,735
combo breaker
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,740
@317,730 (D)
You're talking about currency as if it's an invention. It's a discovery. Does a thing cease to exist simply because the ignorant are ignorant of it?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,906
@317,735 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
you can't break a combo when you've already posted in thread anonymously! that's cheating!
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,907
@previous (G)
I can exist in the combo and break it. Thanks.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,909
@317,640 (E)
Cavaties and tooth decay only started to become a problem at the dawn of agriculture when human diets changed and included a lot more starchy foods. On a diet of mainly meat and vegetation, tooth decay and cavaties aren't as big a problem.
methman !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,913
This thread is horrible and I hope OP feels bad.
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,914
@previous (methman !KansasxqvM)
mountainman never feels bad about anything.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 57 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,925
@317,909 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4) > Cavaties and tooth decay only started to become a problem at the dawn of agriculture
We have evidence of cavities and tooth decay in human ancestors who lived well before the dawn of agriculture. It is also a problem in other animal species. I appreciate that the paleo-diet thing is trending right now, but can refrain from allowing fanboism to supplant reality?
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,927
@previous (J)
It's not fanboism, it's education. Yes, it was a problem in paleo humans and is still a problem in animals, but not nearly as bad as humans who live on an agricultural diet.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 17 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,928
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
The problem is that it didn't only start to become a problem at the dawn of agriculture. It has been and continues to be a problem for a wide range of species for a wide range of reasons. Phrasing the statement as if human agriculture is the single contributing factor in a complex mix of genetics, environmental factors, diet, nutrition, and hygiene is abandoning critical thought for desperate fanboi propaganda.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,934
@previous (J)
It didn't become a major problem until agriculture. Before agriculture, humans survived just fine without toothbrushes or dentists. I'm not going by paleo-diet propaganda; I'm going by textbooks. I'm at work right now, but I can give the exact info with citations when I get home if you'd like.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,935
> Before agriculture, humans survived just fine without toothbrushes or dentists.
Yeah, for like 30 years max.
Anonymous F replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,973
How the fuck did currency & such end up derailing this thread?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,978
i couldn't last all day
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 22 minutes later, 12 hours after the original post[^][v]#317,986
@317,970 (A)
There actually are fossils of humans estimated to live into their 60s and 70s. The ancient people you're thinking of who only lived into their 30s and 40s died because of problems with early agricultural societies.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#318,029
@317,934 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4) > Before agriculture, humans survived just fine without toothbrushes or dentists.
You're doing it again. Agriculture seems to predate toothbrushes and dentists by quite a bit, so humans survived just fine following the dawn of agriculture without these things too. These half-facts that only highlight the one factor that you seem interested in down-playing are what make it sound like propaganda. A difference in diet is one factor among many that likely contributed to differences in dental health among different prehistoric populations, but it is by no means the entire story.
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4) > The ancient people you're thinking of who only lived into their 30s and 40s died because of problems with early agricultural societies.
LOL Confirmed for propaganda
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#318,031
@previous (J) > Agriculture seems to predate toothbrushes and dentists by quite a bit, so humans survived just fine following the dawn of agriculture without these things too.
No they didn't. That's why people would only live into their 30s and 40s, but not just because of rotting teeth. More because of condensed populations that arose agricultural societies, the spread of disease, problems with waste management, etc.
> These half-facts that only highlight the one factor that you seem interested in down-playing are what make it sound like propaganda.
These are not half facts or propaganda. This is all coming from textbooks. "Understanding Physical Anthropology and Archaeology" edited by Lewis/Jurmain/Kilgore to be specific, if you'd like to research this stuff yourself.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 9 hours later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#318,137
@317,986 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Of course some people lived that long, but those are statistical outliers.
What percentage of pre-agricultural peoples lived into their 60's? What percentage of pre-agricultural fossils are from persons over 50 compared with those from persons under 50?
Single data points make useless data sets.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#318,151
@previous (A)
Actually it used to be quite common for men to live many hundreds of years. Just look at adam, seth, noah, or Methusela.
And when you go back all the way to adam then a majority of men lived to be 900.
Please get your facts straight before you talk about stuff you don't understand.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#318,152
I also went anon. And I own this place.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#318,156
@318,151 (D)
LOL. Citing lies in a book. Now I know you're trolling.