Topic: Is Chrome officially the standard when it comes to web browsers?
Girl !!n4qHOMJOf started this discussion 14 years ago #19,293
It seems as if everybody loved Firefox, but when Chrome came out. That quickly took notice and can now perhaps be safely referred to as "the standard" when it comes to web browsers. How accurate am I in this observation?
brie !OudrPWaUDQ joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later[^] [v] #317,524
Not yet...
Ie. Is still stickin' in there.
Ie. Is still stickin' in there.
brie !OudrPWaUDQ double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,525
Chrome is catchin up fast though
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Girl !!n4qHOMJOf (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,526
@317,524 (brie !OudrPWaUDQ)
Hello brie, there is a new episode of Korra this Saturday. Just figure I'd inform you of that. :)
@previous (brie !OudrPWaUDQ)
How much further does it need to go?
Hello brie, there is a new episode of Korra this Saturday. Just figure I'd inform you of that. :)
@previous (brie !OudrPWaUDQ)
How much further does it need to go?
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brie !OudrPWaUDQ replied with this 14 years ago, 51 seconds later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,527
@previous (Girl !!n4qHOMJOf)
@previous (Girl !!n4qHOMJOf)
> Hello brie, there is a new episode of Korra this Saturday. Just figure I'd inform you of that. :)
>
Oh, cool! Thanks!~
> How much further does it need to go?
more extensions would be nice, lol.
@previous (Girl !!n4qHOMJOf)
> Hello brie, there is a new episode of Korra this Saturday. Just figure I'd inform you of that. :)
>
Oh, cool! Thanks!~
> How much further does it need to go?
more extensions would be nice, lol.
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HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 44 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,528
Opera is the standard.
brie !OudrPWaUDQ replied with this 14 years ago, 9 seconds later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,529
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,530
@OP
Chrome usage is growing steadily.
If it keeps up that every Firefox update just breaks all your themes and extensions while sucking yet more memory, I can only imagine that it will continue to fade.
Chrome usage is growing steadily.
If it keeps up that every Firefox update just breaks all your themes and extensions while sucking yet more memory, I can only imagine that it will continue to fade.
brie !OudrPWaUDQ replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,532
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 17 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,541
@previous (brie !OudrPWaUDQ)
I'd actually rather use Firefox than Chrome, so I don't say that out of favoritism. I have stopped playing with the nightly builds, and I have even grown to dread the official updates because whatever they are trying to do with hardware acceleration lately actually seems to be slowing shit down even more. Every new version just gets bigger and seems to take more memory. It seems it has reached the point where trying to tie everything the developers are doing together is causing more bloat than benefit. I'm sure it won't die overnight, but I only see it declining from here.
I'd actually rather use Firefox than Chrome, so I don't say that out of favoritism. I have stopped playing with the nightly builds, and I have even grown to dread the official updates because whatever they are trying to do with hardware acceleration lately actually seems to be slowing shit down even more. Every new version just gets bigger and seems to take more memory. It seems it has reached the point where trying to tie everything the developers are doing together is causing more bloat than benefit. I'm sure it won't die overnight, but I only see it declining from here.
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #317,542
Firefox Aurora is quite good.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,567
Chrome is the standard among developers who appreciate good design.
Firefox is the standard among freetards.
IE is the standard among people who don't know what a browser is.
Time will tell which group proves most influential.
Firefox is the standard among freetards.
IE is the standard among people who don't know what a browser is.
Time will tell which group proves most influential.
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dw joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 23 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,572
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,575
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,579
brie !OudrPWaUDQ replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,581
dw replied with this 14 years ago, 53 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,602
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,604
dw replied with this 14 years ago, 11 minutes later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,610
@previous (E)
making up statistics that are pretty much unmeasurable is not really an indication of your intellect though
making up statistics that are pretty much unmeasurable is not really an indication of your intellect though
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 5 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,613
@previous (dw)
I've presented no statistics. This is my professional assessment based on my considerable experience.
Statistics involve numbers and percentages, just so you know.
I've presented no statistics. This is my professional assessment based on my considerable experience.
Statistics involve numbers and percentages, just so you know.
dw replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,783
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,787
@previous (dw)
Why not? I see no reason to believe I'm wrong. Do you have statistical evidence to suggest I'm wrong?
Why not? I see no reason to believe I'm wrong. Do you have statistical evidence to suggest I'm wrong?
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,788
I have IE(almost never use) Firefox & Chrome. Tried Opera and dumped it.
A number of webpages I visit with Firefox (my #1 choice) well Firefox cannot always resolve the web page because the page was made with and for IE. Chrome seems to always resolve those pages.
I only use IE at Microsoft web sites re downloads that require the Active X platform. I have noticed the Microsoft has migrated towards FF compatibility, except for the Active X issue.
A number of webpages I visit with Firefox (my #1 choice) well Firefox cannot always resolve the web page because the page was made with and for IE. Chrome seems to always resolve those pages.
I only use IE at Microsoft web sites re downloads that require the Active X platform. I have noticed the Microsoft has migrated towards FF compatibility, except for the Active X issue.
dw replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,793
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,799
@previous (dw)
That's a belief. And a false one at that.
A thing is both true and false simultaneously until measurements establishing one case or the other have been taken. lrn2quantumreality
That's a belief. And a false one at that.
A thing is both true and false simultaneously until measurements establishing one case or the other have been taken. lrn2quantumreality
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 27 seconds later, 7 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,800
I should add a key important fact re this so called Speed of one browser vs the other.
On occasion yet rare I am paid in my work to test out browsers. (I was paid to test the Opera browser out for a cell phone)
Speed is always measured in the RAW - No applications no add ons NO Extras. The moment one adds on anything the browser speed DROPS.
Been a while since I ran my own tests but about a year ago I compared Firefox speed in the raw vs FF with NoScript. I adore NoScript. Yet it does cut the speed to about 1/2
Adblock I use a bunch and its a speed hog as well. So this speed thing of one browser vs another is relative. What is speedy for me may be different for you.
On occasion yet rare I am paid in my work to test out browsers. (I was paid to test the Opera browser out for a cell phone)
Speed is always measured in the RAW - No applications no add ons NO Extras. The moment one adds on anything the browser speed DROPS.
Been a while since I ran my own tests but about a year ago I compared Firefox speed in the raw vs FF with NoScript. I adore NoScript. Yet it does cut the speed to about 1/2
Adblock I use a bunch and its a speed hog as well. So this speed thing of one browser vs another is relative. What is speedy for me may be different for you.
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Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 9 hours later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,991
If Firefox were fast like Chrome, I'd only ever use that. But it's not.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,994
@previous (I)http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-20047314-12.html
The image is only one benchmark. Look at the link re multiple benchmarks for FF vs Chrome vs IE
Chrome also really uses up memory on one benchmark to gain speed.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #317,998
@previous (H)
Chrome is a memory hog, but with 8GB of RAM, why the hell shouldn't Chrome do what it needs to do to run as fast as possible? I even use Chrome on my netbook, which only has 1GB of RAM, and I'll have 10 tabs open and still no problems.
Chrome is a memory hog, but with 8GB of RAM, why the hell shouldn't Chrome do what it needs to do to run as fast as possible? I even use Chrome on my netbook, which only has 1GB of RAM, and I'll have 10 tabs open and still no problems.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^] [v] #318,002
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
One reason is battery drain. The future is not some ac plug in the wall or charging the batts every chance you have.
For PC use, then pushing RAM and CPU is no problem.
One reason is battery drain. The future is not some ac plug in the wall or charging the batts every chance you have.
For PC use, then pushing RAM and CPU is no problem.
dw replied with this 14 years ago, 13 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #318,166
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #318,170
dw replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #318,202
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #318,214
@previous (dw)
There is no way in Hell a computer such as that should be anything other then super fast loading up Chrome.
Chrome has a known issue when on install a registry file ends up at some other place then it should be. That is the key registry file for Chrome updates. Each time you try to load Chrome, it first looks to see if you have the latest version of Chrome. Then of course it self updates. But if fucking depends on that key registry file. It will search for it and keep searching.
In most cases it cannot even locate it.
Do this. Hit Google and tell Google Chrome is not updating (you assume that for now) Chrome will tell you about that known issue and give you instructions to correct this.
It will start by showing you the exact registry file and WHERE its supposed to be located. Then it will show you how to find it and then correct the location.
There is no way in Hell a computer such as that should be anything other then super fast loading up Chrome.
Chrome has a known issue when on install a registry file ends up at some other place then it should be. That is the key registry file for Chrome updates. Each time you try to load Chrome, it first looks to see if you have the latest version of Chrome. Then of course it self updates. But if fucking depends on that key registry file. It will search for it and keep searching.
In most cases it cannot even locate it.
Do this. Hit Google and tell Google Chrome is not updating (you assume that for now) Chrome will tell you about that known issue and give you instructions to correct this.
It will start by showing you the exact registry file and WHERE its supposed to be located. Then it will show you how to find it and then correct the location.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 21 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,645
@previous (H)
> There is no way in Hell a computer such as that should be anything other then super fast loading up Chrome.
Oh there's a way:
Operating System
MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
Probably doesn't clear tracking cookies or update anti-virus.
> There is no way in Hell a computer such as that should be anything other then super fast loading up Chrome.
Oh there's a way:
Operating System
MS Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit SP1
Probably doesn't clear tracking cookies or update anti-virus.
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vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,651
I find it hard to determine which browser is the best.
There's Firefox, which has that god awful lag problem with bookmarks, but is overall very userfriendly.
There's Chromium, which is solid but crashes all the fucking time and doesn't support the Quake Live plugin (which is my only real gripe with it)
There's Opera, which is going to use webkit next release (or so I heard) so I might go back to using that.
It's not IE though. It's never IE.
There's Firefox, which has that god awful lag problem with bookmarks, but is overall very userfriendly.
There's Chromium, which is solid but crashes all the fucking time and doesn't support the Quake Live plugin (which is my only real gripe with it)
There's Opera, which is going to use webkit next release (or so I heard) so I might go back to using that.
It's not IE though. It's never IE.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,656
@previous (vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV)
Agree re bookmarks & Firefox. I cannot make a fair comparison of Chrome vs FF re bookmarks. My FF is loaded with bookmarks. I started fresh with Chrome and slowly building a new bookmark base.
Perhaps placing bookmarks in the cloud?
Agree re bookmarks & Firefox. I cannot make a fair comparison of Chrome vs FF re bookmarks. My FF is loaded with bookmarks. I started fresh with Chrome and slowly building a new bookmark base.
Perhaps placing bookmarks in the cloud?
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,669
@318,651 (vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV)
It's been shaping up to be a battle between Gecko and Webkit for a while now. Gecko is not as bad as people make it out to be, but it's just terrible on sites that were specifically designed for IE. And you'd be surprised how many sites that is.
It's been shaping up to be a battle between Gecko and Webkit for a while now. Gecko is not as bad as people make it out to be, but it's just terrible on sites that were specifically designed for IE. And you'd be surprised how many sites that is.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,670
@previous (K)
Still shocks me that a number of large companies fail to test a site on all browsers. IE always works when the others fail. No excuse for that.
Still shocks me that a number of large companies fail to test a site on all browsers. IE always works when the others fail. No excuse for that.
vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,671
@previous (H)
In my web design class I'm only allowed to use IE because it's the only browser installed on the system. I always end up typing out CSS rules for all browsers and if it works in IE, I hope to Haruhi that it works in other browsers.
In my web design class I'm only allowed to use IE because it's the only browser installed on the system. I always end up typing out CSS rules for all browsers and if it works in IE, I hope to Haruhi that it works in other browsers.
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,673
@previous (vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV)
Your school is a ripoff. They are not preparing you for the future, but rather indoctrinating you with the past.
Your school is a ripoff. They are not preparing you for the future, but rather indoctrinating you with the past.
vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,674
@previous (K)
That's exactly what I was thinking. My teacher doesn't allow for anything that wasn't around in her time. CSS gradients, Javascript outside the bare minimum, and everything has to be in a table. FUCK tables. The only thing I use them for is retrieving and listing data LIKE A SANE HUMAN BEING.
That's exactly what I was thinking. My teacher doesn't allow for anything that wasn't around in her time. CSS gradients, Javascript outside the bare minimum, and everything has to be in a table. FUCK tables. The only thing I use them for is retrieving and listing data LIKE A SANE HUMAN BEING.
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,676
@previous (vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV)
Bitch will be out a job soon. More and more, top tier students are beginning to choose online education systems due to the modern curriculum and that few force students to waste time irrelevant liberal arts BS.
Fucking Udacity is out there teaching students to program robocars. ROBOCARS!
Traditional schools will react by raising tuition prices, elimitaing the traditional option for more and more students, thereby causing schools to raise prices further. The death spiral is eminent.
Harvard and MIT know it's coming, so they've taken measures to offer online courses in the interest of preserving recognition of their brand. University of Florida is trying to eliminate computer science alltogether, cause they know it's coming. But computer science will only the be the beginning. A majority of areas where traditional schools were once dominant will be lost. People simply want more value for their educational dollar.
The old guard will lose for the same reason Hyundai now makes a better car than GM. One is a hare while the other is a tortoise. And turtles only ever win in children's books.
Bitch will be out a job soon. More and more, top tier students are beginning to choose online education systems due to the modern curriculum and that few force students to waste time irrelevant liberal arts BS.
Fucking Udacity is out there teaching students to program robocars. ROBOCARS!
Traditional schools will react by raising tuition prices, elimitaing the traditional option for more and more students, thereby causing schools to raise prices further. The death spiral is eminent.
Harvard and MIT know it's coming, so they've taken measures to offer online courses in the interest of preserving recognition of their brand. University of Florida is trying to eliminate computer science alltogether, cause they know it's coming. But computer science will only the be the beginning. A majority of areas where traditional schools were once dominant will be lost. People simply want more value for their educational dollar.
The old guard will lose for the same reason Hyundai now makes a better car than GM. One is a hare while the other is a tortoise. And turtles only ever win in children's books.
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,678
@318,674 (vocalon !!jdS+H4VgV)
That really is such a shame. Arrogance pure arrogance. Just keep doing what you are doing. Stay sane & do that extra work so that you know what it takes to keep up with web coding that works for 99% of browsers.
MS could fail and even they see Apple beating their ass off. MS/Intel has been hit hard by ARM chips taking over the world. MS is working night and day to keep up with Apple & Androids. MS will fail or convert.
That really is such a shame. Arrogance pure arrogance. Just keep doing what you are doing. Stay sane & do that extra work so that you know what it takes to keep up with web coding that works for 99% of browsers.
MS could fail and even they see Apple beating their ass off. MS/Intel has been hit hard by ARM chips taking over the world. MS is working night and day to keep up with Apple & Androids. MS will fail or convert.
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,688
@previous (H)
Software too. Flash is certainly dead tomorrow thanks to ARM.
If only MS office would be next. That would be too fucking sweet.
Software too. Flash is certainly dead tomorrow thanks to ARM.
If only MS office would be next. That would be too fucking sweet.
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 27 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,691
@previous (K)
ARM has nada to do with the Flash issue. Apple is still butthurt about Adobe.
Other then MS office ended up bloated and ultra resource intensive (Horrid for cell apps) I think early versions of MS Office are much better then current open sourced Chrome office. ok sure its not just Chrome.
I am a huge fan of UNIX and use it for work. MS O/S for work as well. Android has overtaken Apple & MS in O/S sales re phones. Tablets soon and then the world lolol
ARM has nada to do with the Flash issue. Apple is still butthurt about Adobe.
Other then MS office ended up bloated and ultra resource intensive (Horrid for cell apps) I think early versions of MS Office are much better then current open sourced Chrome office. ok sure its not just Chrome.
I am a huge fan of UNIX and use it for work. MS O/S for work as well. Android has overtaken Apple & MS in O/S sales re phones. Tablets soon and then the world lolol
Anonymous I replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,733
@previous (H)
But flash runs like shit on ARM. Ins't that why Google killed it on Chrome for Android?
But flash runs like shit on ARM. Ins't that why Google killed it on Chrome for Android?
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 42 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,737
@previous (I)
Adobe Flash is available on Android.
History of why Iphone did not include Flash.
A: Steve Jobs at time of Iphone development had real good reasons to say no.
1: Adobe Flash at the time required bunch of software to decode Flash to the Iphone hardware. Arm designed mainly for battery use; just too much drain.
2: Anti-Virus suppliers defined Flash as the "Worst" offender.
3: Jobs could have negotiated with Adobe, except for serious butthurt between Adobe and Apple.
New versions of Flash are designed for Phones and because web designers still use Flash & you have Billions of web pages with Flash on them - WE all loose when using the Iphone.
Soon any intensive software conversions will be done at the Cloud. Batteries are not getting better, so the Cloud in my opinion, solves a butthurt of design problems.
Adobe Flash is available on Android.
History of why Iphone did not include Flash.
A: Steve Jobs at time of Iphone development had real good reasons to say no.
1: Adobe Flash at the time required bunch of software to decode Flash to the Iphone hardware. Arm designed mainly for battery use; just too much drain.
2: Anti-Virus suppliers defined Flash as the "Worst" offender.
3: Jobs could have negotiated with Adobe, except for serious butthurt between Adobe and Apple.
New versions of Flash are designed for Phones and because web designers still use Flash & you have Billions of web pages with Flash on them - WE all loose when using the Iphone.
Soon any intensive software conversions will be done at the Cloud. Batteries are not getting better, so the Cloud in my opinion, solves a butthurt of design problems.
dw replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,739
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,771
@318,737 (H)
Flash is dead. Behind the times web designers who are too stuck in their way continue using is sure. But that's not good design.
Flash is dead. Behind the times web designers who are too stuck in their way continue using is sure. But that's not good design.
green !c6N8McrBuY joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 5 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,807
Who the hell uses internet explorer?
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 9 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #318,883
@318,771 (E)
Flash someday may be dead. Currently the majority of the web is loaded with Flash.
Vector graphics.. bidirectional streaming of audio and video...Capture of user input via mouse, keyboard, microphone & camera.
Powerfull stuff. However Adobe fucked up when Cell phones came along because they paid no attention to CPU running batteries DEAD.
Now addressed, however probably much too late to save Flash for the long haul.
Flash someday may be dead. Currently the majority of the web is loaded with Flash.
Vector graphics.. bidirectional streaming of audio and video...Capture of user input via mouse, keyboard, microphone & camera.
Powerfull stuff. However Adobe fucked up when Cell phones came along because they paid no attention to CPU running batteries DEAD.
Now addressed, however probably much too late to save Flash for the long haul.