Topic: Have gold, need water.
Anonymous A started this discussion 14 years ago #19,207
Open to trade. Any takers?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 26 minutes later[^] [v] #315,969
We get it. Gold is money. Please stop.
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,499
No, sorry. I only accept fiat money.
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,503
I need information on the state of the gold market.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 49 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,509
actually the only thing that has true intrinsic value is labor.Sorry, OP.
If you want my water you're going to need to put in a days work on the mutated pumpkin fields.
but, your shiny metal is worth something though, the dumber pumpkins are easily fascinated by shiny bits of worthless garbage. While it's distracted you can eviscerate it's thorax, and they're much easier to deal with after that.
But watch out for the bigger, smarter pumpkins. They don't have eyes for bits of tin or colored pieces of glass. So, take this broken lawn mower blade and as much gold as you need to pepper the ground and i'll see you in the infirmary after dark.
With some water.
We'd give you guns and ammunition but it's far too valuable to use for farming.
What, do you think ammunition grows on pumpkin tentacles?
Get to work, slave!
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,510
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,513
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,514
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,516
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
but this is a post-apocalyptic era we're discussing. sure, trade will exist. but if i'm pushing shopping carts full of rat corpses through the ruins of civilization i somehow doubt a boatload of gold would do me any good whatsoever.
but this is a post-apocalyptic era we're discussing. sure, trade will exist. but if i'm pushing shopping carts full of rat corpses through the ruins of civilization i somehow doubt a boatload of gold would do me any good whatsoever.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,518
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)Being a communist never ends well. Even society going down the shitter will not change this.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,523
@316,516 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
You don't seem like the type to survive the ruin of civilization. Considering you're stupid and all. I doubt you'll have to worry.
btw, lrn2geaology:
http://geology.com/minerals/gold/uses-of-gold.shtml
You don't seem like the type to survive the ruin of civilization. Considering you're stupid and all. I doubt you'll have to worry.
btw, lrn2geaology:
http://geology.com/minerals/gold/uses-of-gold.shtml
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kook !nH6RAuX8mo joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,525
@previous (H)
um, none of that would be useful during an apocalypse, accept for maybe electronic purposes.
um, none of that would be useful during an apocalypse, accept for maybe electronic purposes.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,526
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,527
@316,523 (H)
> Of all the minerals mined from the Earth, none is more useful than gold
Wat. More useful than iron and aluminum? I don't think so.
> Of all the minerals mined from the Earth, none is more useful than gold
Wat. More useful than iron and aluminum? I don't think so.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,529
@previous (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
iron and copper for steel and brass. their abundance also is worth consideration.
iron and copper for steel and brass. their abundance also is worth consideration.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 42 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,530
@316,527 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Gold is necessary for trade, which is pretty damn useful if the guy a mile over makes better tools than you do and doesn't want your livestock in exchange.
Gold is necessary for trade, which is pretty damn useful if the guy a mile over makes better tools than you do and doesn't want your livestock in exchange.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,531
@316,526 (J)
yes i do, and one of the things a currency needs is faith.
and in a post-apocalyptic world people won't have faith in anything that doesn't put boiled rat corpses on the table
yes i do, and one of the things a currency needs is faith.
and in a post-apocalyptic world people won't have faith in anything that doesn't put boiled rat corpses on the table
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,532
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,533
@316,523 (H)
i would survive quite well, thank you very much. I'm already armed and own a water purifier.
i would survive quite well, thank you very much. I'm already armed and own a water purifier.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,534
@316,530 (J)
Gold has been used for trading, but I don't know that in a post-apocalyptic future everyone will continue to use gold as a trading medium. Would I rather have 1 ton of iron or 1 ton of gold in that situation? Give me the iron any day.
Gold has been used for trading, but I don't know that in a post-apocalyptic future everyone will continue to use gold as a trading medium. Would I rather have 1 ton of iron or 1 ton of gold in that situation? Give me the iron any day.
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,535
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 8 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,536
@316,534 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
iron can be used to make steel weapons. gold isn't very useful for this purpose.
iron can be used to make steel weapons. gold isn't very useful for this purpose.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,538
@previous (K)
I know. That's mostly my point. Iron can be used to make buildings, weapons, vehicles, etc. Gold is useful only insofar as many people think it has some value. Perhaps its value also comes from its rarity, but that's negligible compared to the amount of value it has simply because people think it will continue to be valuable. If the economic system collapsed overnight, it would take some time for gold to become valuable again (if it ever did), whereas iron, food, water, people, etc. would immediately become high-value assets.
I know. That's mostly my point. Iron can be used to make buildings, weapons, vehicles, etc. Gold is useful only insofar as many people think it has some value. Perhaps its value also comes from its rarity, but that's negligible compared to the amount of value it has simply because people think it will continue to be valuable. If the economic system collapsed overnight, it would take some time for gold to become valuable again (if it ever did), whereas iron, food, water, people, etc. would immediately become high-value assets.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,540
@316,531 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
> and in a post-apocalyptic world people won't have faith in anything that doesn't put boiled rat corpses on the table
And trade can't?
@316,532 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
I'm assuming that society has pulled itself back up enough to reboot trade. If humanity is going to remain stagnant after whatever apocalypse brought it down, who cares what will happen in the future?
@316,534 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Trade allows you to get anything you want and need, as long as you have the money. Gold is the perfect medium because it is both scarce and easily found (i.e. jewelry stores).
> and in a post-apocalyptic world people won't have faith in anything that doesn't put boiled rat corpses on the table
And trade can't?
@316,532 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
I'm assuming that society has pulled itself back up enough to reboot trade. If humanity is going to remain stagnant after whatever apocalypse brought it down, who cares what will happen in the future?
@316,534 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Trade allows you to get anything you want and need, as long as you have the money. Gold is the perfect medium because it is both scarce and easily found (i.e. jewelry stores).
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,541
@316,538 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
well gold has many important uses in electronics and technology but that aside most of those conventions would be broken down in a post-apocalyptic future. we would be set back ages in societal advancement (simply because of the lack of overall manpower and intellectuals who can comprehend/manufacture/purposefully use such technology) but i'm just reinforcing your point
well gold has many important uses in electronics and technology but that aside most of those conventions would be broken down in a post-apocalyptic future. we would be set back ages in societal advancement (simply because of the lack of overall manpower and intellectuals who can comprehend/manufacture/purposefully use such technology) but i'm just reinforcing your point
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,542
@316,531 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Holy fucking shit, your complete idiocy just made me rage a little. First of all, thank you. This doesn't happen on MC often.
Anyway, you said:
> one of the things a currency needs is faith.
To which I say, holy fucking shit you are beyond stupid! Do you even realize we are talking about fucking gold here? Gold, bitch! The single most easily identifiable metal on the entire fucking planet, and one of the least corruptible to boot. For this reason, of all possible currencies, it is gold which requires the absolute lowest level of faith.
And yet you honestly believe gold will have no market value. Fucking retarded.
Holy fucking shit, your complete idiocy just made me rage a little. First of all, thank you. This doesn't happen on MC often.
Anyway, you said:
> one of the things a currency needs is faith.
To which I say, holy fucking shit you are beyond stupid! Do you even realize we are talking about fucking gold here? Gold, bitch! The single most easily identifiable metal on the entire fucking planet, and one of the least corruptible to boot. For this reason, of all possible currencies, it is gold which requires the absolute lowest level of faith.
And yet you honestly believe gold will have no market value. Fucking retarded.
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,543
@316,538 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
well, people are pretty fascinated with shiny bits of things. we're like the mutated pumpkins in that respect.
it'll always be used for things, collected, and sometimes traded, but without a society to back the idea of it as a currency then it'll have less value than things people can use. in a post-apocalyptic world gold would be useful as ornamentation. but not much more.
i can trade a gold necklace today same as 2000 years ago, and i bet i can do it in a post-apocalyptic world too.
but that doesn't make it a currency
gold, like everything else, is only itself and nothing more.
it'll be as worthless as paper money. Good on you, but, i don't see what good it'll do you.
well, people are pretty fascinated with shiny bits of things. we're like the mutated pumpkins in that respect.
it'll always be used for things, collected, and sometimes traded, but without a society to back the idea of it as a currency then it'll have less value than things people can use. in a post-apocalyptic world gold would be useful as ornamentation. but not much more.
i can trade a gold necklace today same as 2000 years ago, and i bet i can do it in a post-apocalyptic world too.
but that doesn't make it a currency
gold, like everything else, is only itself and nothing more.
it'll be as worthless as paper money. Good on you, but, i don't see what good it'll do you.
Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,544
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 19 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,545
@316,540 (J)
that made no sense. there would be many forms of goods and services traded long before gold became useful again.
that made no sense. there would be many forms of goods and services traded long before gold became useful again.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,546
@316,543 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
The reintroduction of commerce is inevitable with the eventual formation of stable, prospering societies. If we can't get that far, we're fucked anyway.
The reintroduction of commerce is inevitable with the eventual formation of stable, prospering societies. If we can't get that far, we're fucked anyway.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,547
@316,545 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
Complete idiocy such as this is why the Jews are overtaking us.
Complete idiocy such as this is why the Jews are overtaking us.
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,548
@316,540 (J)
but who cares about your useless trinkets when society has collapsed and survival is what's at stake.
What good is your wealth going to do you when nomads pass through and kill you for your wife, daughters, and food and leave your gold strewn about the ground?
but who cares about your useless trinkets when society has collapsed and survival is what's at stake.
What good is your wealth going to do you when nomads pass through and kill you for your wife, daughters, and food and leave your gold strewn about the ground?
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,552
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Assuming market value is determined solely by demand and that supply is irrelevant. You couldn't pass Econ 101.
Assuming market value is determined solely by demand and that supply is irrelevant. You couldn't pass Econ 101.
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kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,553
@316,547 (H)
okay. you would be murdered. gold cant protect your family, it can't find you drinking water. society now is not comparable to apocalypse times.
okay. you would be murdered. gold cant protect your family, it can't find you drinking water. society now is not comparable to apocalypse times.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,554
@316,544 (Fake anon !ZkUt8arUCU)
Sure it can. It's a very rare metal, but products made for it can be found everywhere--they're just a lot less common than products made from, say, plastic or steel, and is used in smaller quantities.
@316,545 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
Bartering is extremely flawed both in theory and in practicality, and the manufacturing of new currency would probably be far too costly than just digging through rubble and shit for jewelry.
@316,548 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
> What good is your wealth going to do you when nomads pass through and kill you for your wife, daughters, and food and leave your gold strewn about the ground?
> I'm assuming that society has pulled itself back up enough to reboot trade. If humanity is going to remain stagnant after whatever apocalypse brought it down, who cares what will happen in the future?
Sure it can. It's a very rare metal, but products made for it can be found everywhere--they're just a lot less common than products made from, say, plastic or steel, and is used in smaller quantities.
@316,545 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
Bartering is extremely flawed both in theory and in practicality, and the manufacturing of new currency would probably be far too costly than just digging through rubble and shit for jewelry.
@316,548 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
> What good is your wealth going to do you when nomads pass through and kill you for your wife, daughters, and food and leave your gold strewn about the ground?
> I'm assuming that society has pulled itself back up enough to reboot trade. If humanity is going to remain stagnant after whatever apocalypse brought it down, who cares what will happen in the future?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,555
@316,546 (J)
what part of post-apocalyptic world are y'all not getting? we're talking the complete breakdown of society as we know it!
most people wouldn't've survived 1 year after the super market delivery trucks stopped coming.
we'd be forced to scavenge, kill, and brutalize each other to survive long enough to see our children interbreed and, possibly, see a grandchild survive childbirth.
gold...
what part of post-apocalyptic world are y'all not getting? we're talking the complete breakdown of society as we know it!
most people wouldn't've survived 1 year after the super market delivery trucks stopped coming.
we'd be forced to scavenge, kill, and brutalize each other to survive long enough to see our children interbreed and, possibly, see a grandchild survive childbirth.
gold...
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,556
@316,554 (J)
that still doesnt make lugging around gold worthwhile. there is a reason why people wouldnt take the time to dig out jewelry from rubble. they sure as hell would take that time to dig out bullets or penicillin.
that still doesnt make lugging around gold worthwhile. there is a reason why people wouldnt take the time to dig out jewelry from rubble. they sure as hell would take that time to dig out bullets or penicillin.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo double-posted this 14 years ago, 54 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,557
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,561
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,566
@316,553 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
> okay. you would be murdered.
But I will buy shitloads of guns with my gold. And hire the greatest assassins.
> gold cant protect your family, it can't find you drinking water.
Oh but it can thanks to the magic of trade. I know it's difficult to understand something as awesome and mysterious as trade. It's almost as tough as contemplating the ones and zeros bouncing around our computers to allow this discussion. But it is real. Regardless of whether your feeble mind can handle it.
> society now is not comparable to apocalypse times.
And still there's rich and poor. Same as always. Except now it's perfectly legal for rich folks like me to offer gold to mercenaries to murder you in order to hijack your food and water resources. And thanks to Darwin, I don't even need to feel bad about it anymore.
> okay. you would be murdered.
But I will buy shitloads of guns with my gold. And hire the greatest assassins.
> gold cant protect your family, it can't find you drinking water.
Oh but it can thanks to the magic of trade. I know it's difficult to understand something as awesome and mysterious as trade. It's almost as tough as contemplating the ones and zeros bouncing around our computers to allow this discussion. But it is real. Regardless of whether your feeble mind can handle it.
> society now is not comparable to apocalypse times.
And still there's rich and poor. Same as always. Except now it's perfectly legal for rich folks like me to offer gold to mercenaries to murder you in order to hijack your food and water resources. And thanks to Darwin, I don't even need to feel bad about it anymore.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 second later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,567
@316,555 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Why do you keep implying that I'm saying gold is some kind of holy savior? I said it will have value eventually, not right off the bat. Read.
Post-apocalyptic does not imply a permanent downward spiral for mankind. If we're completely and utterly fucked anyway, we may as well go down the brutal gang murderer route.
@316,556 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
> they sure as hell would take that time to dig out bullets or penicillin.
You take what you can find, and if you find a necklace or a watch or something, then why not? And hell, bullets could be a currency too, seeing as their manufacturing is complex enough to provide scarcity. Gold is just one possibility.
Why do you keep implying that I'm saying gold is some kind of holy savior? I said it will have value eventually, not right off the bat. Read.
Post-apocalyptic does not imply a permanent downward spiral for mankind. If we're completely and utterly fucked anyway, we may as well go down the brutal gang murderer route.
@316,556 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
> they sure as hell would take that time to dig out bullets or penicillin.
You take what you can find, and if you find a necklace or a watch or something, then why not? And hell, bullets could be a currency too, seeing as their manufacturing is complex enough to provide scarcity. Gold is just one possibility.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,568
@316,566 (H)
who in the fuck would give you a very valuable gun for a chunk of now worthless metal? no one.
who in the fuck would give you a very valuable gun for a chunk of now worthless metal? no one.
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 7 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,569
ITTkook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 47 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,570
@316,561 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
he really would, it's crazy. If I had water, food, medicine, shelter, ass, why would I give away any of it for gold?
he really would, it's crazy. If I had water, food, medicine, shelter, ass, why would I give away any of it for gold?
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,572
@316,561 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Perhaps, but if this really were post apocalyptic society. I'd have already killed you dead for refusing to accept my gold in trade.
(a whole lot of other richfags would do the same, though they won't admit it to themselves as freely as I do.)
Perhaps, but if this really were post apocalyptic society. I'd have already killed you dead for refusing to accept my gold in trade.
(a whole lot of other richfags would do the same, though they won't admit it to themselves as freely as I do.)
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,574
@316,567 (J)
> If we're completely and utterly fucked anyway, we may as well go down the brutal gang murderer route.
Oh, we are, and we will.
@316,566 (H)
trade, trade, trade, yes, trade will still function as the barter system. but your gold will be as useless in the end times as it was to hunter gatherers. you might as well try convincing me that dollars still have value after the apocalypse.
> If we're completely and utterly fucked anyway, we may as well go down the brutal gang murderer route.
Oh, we are, and we will.
@316,566 (H)
trade, trade, trade, yes, trade will still function as the barter system. but your gold will be as useless in the end times as it was to hunter gatherers. you might as well try convincing me that dollars still have value after the apocalypse.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 7 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,575
@316,568 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
Firearms are equally worthless if they lack ammunition, something that is permanently gone once you've used it, or are poorly maintained.
Firearms are equally worthless if they lack ammunition, something that is permanently gone once you've used it, or are poorly maintained.
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,576
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 5 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,577
@316,575 (J)
they has nothing to do with this. why would anyone give up resources that you need to live, in order to get a hunk of metal?
they has nothing to do with this. why would anyone give up resources that you need to live, in order to get a hunk of metal?
kook !nH6RAuX8mo double-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,578
@316,575 (J)
lets take guns out of the picture then. I have long range weapons, staffs, swords, pipes, why would I want your gold?
lets take guns out of the picture then. I have long range weapons, staffs, swords, pipes, why would I want your gold?
kook !nH6RAuX8mo triple-posted this 14 years ago, 42 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,579
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 31 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,581
@316,577 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
gold would be a thing to be traded, but not the facilitator of a transaction.
gold would be a thing to be traded, but not the facilitator of a transaction.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,583
@316,574 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
> Oh, we are, and we will.
Psychic powers? I jelly.
> but your gold will be as useless in the end times as it was to hunter gatherers. you might as well try convincing me that dollars still have value after the apocalypse.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. It's a matter of time.
@316,577 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
For the same reason Wal-Mart will give you their precious food, medicine, clothing and supplies for your useless wads of paper. Thinking only in the short term is just as harmful as thinking only in the long term.
> Oh, we are, and we will.
Psychic powers? I jelly.
> but your gold will be as useless in the end times as it was to hunter gatherers. you might as well try convincing me that dollars still have value after the apocalypse.
Maybe they will, maybe they won't. It's a matter of time.
@316,577 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
For the same reason Wal-Mart will give you their precious food, medicine, clothing and supplies for your useless wads of paper. Thinking only in the short term is just as harmful as thinking only in the long term.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 25 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,586
@316,581 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Oh I know. I just dont see why anyone would trade valuable resources for it. gold cant keep you safe or healthy.
Oh I know. I just dont see why anyone would trade valuable resources for it. gold cant keep you safe or healthy.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo double-posted this 14 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,587
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,589
@316,574 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Barter is a fucking joke as far as trade is concerned. It's always been grossly inefficient compared with monetary systems and there's nothing special about post-apocalyptic society that's gonna change that fact.
Historically, civilizations who embraced monetary systems of trade raped and murdered those who insisted on sticking with barter systems. Literally, raped and murdered!
Whenever I hear someone talk about barter like it's a good thing, I always know I'm talking with a poorfag. A poorfag who's usually a moron.
Barter is a fucking joke as far as trade is concerned. It's always been grossly inefficient compared with monetary systems and there's nothing special about post-apocalyptic society that's gonna change that fact.
Historically, civilizations who embraced monetary systems of trade raped and murdered those who insisted on sticking with barter systems. Literally, raped and murdered!
Whenever I hear someone talk about barter like it's a good thing, I always know I'm talking with a poorfag. A poorfag who's usually a moron.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,592
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,593
@316,578 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
How about this: your friend needs penicillin to treat some shitty infection, and a guy settling in a safe house full of medical supplies doesn't want your weapons, even though he has plenty of medicine. What could you possibly give him that might be of value later, and he can trade off for whatever he needs at some indeterminable point in time?
@316,587 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
> Society would not value the same things in an apocalypse
Says who? Does post-apocalyptic mean The Road now?
How about this: your friend needs penicillin to treat some shitty infection, and a guy settling in a safe house full of medical supplies doesn't want your weapons, even though he has plenty of medicine. What could you possibly give him that might be of value later, and he can trade off for whatever he needs at some indeterminable point in time?
@316,587 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
> Society would not value the same things in an apocalypse
Says who? Does post-apocalyptic mean The Road now?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,595
@316,586 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
I think it's funny that we're discussing the collapse of civilization and the total loss of all modern conveniences and people are still worried about their monies and where they can go shop to get the basics for survival.
protip: there's nothing left. pick a scrap pile and start digging.
I think it's funny that we're discussing the collapse of civilization and the total loss of all modern conveniences and people are still worried about their monies and where they can go shop to get the basics for survival.
protip: there's nothing left. pick a scrap pile and start digging.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,597
@316,593 (J)
Knowledge,sex, and manual labor for a few.
It could mean the road. Would we have electricity you think?
Knowledge,sex, and manual labor for a few.
It could mean the road. Would we have electricity you think?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 24 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,598
@316,592 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
either way he just wants to mock me and be derisive.
it's cute. (he doesn't like me)
either way he just wants to mock me and be derisive.
it's cute. (he doesn't like me)
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,603
@316,597 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
> Knowledge,sex, and manual labor for a few.
The latter, maybe, though if he only cares about his own survival and has what he needs, what does he care? The point of currency is to provide a reliable means of trade that doesn't depend on pure luck/murder, and can be stored indefinitely (along with hand lotion, possibly rendering the second one a moot point).
> It could mean the road. Would we have electricity you think?
Sure, if physical means of generating energy are still usable.
> Knowledge,sex, and manual labor for a few.
The latter, maybe, though if he only cares about his own survival and has what he needs, what does he care? The point of currency is to provide a reliable means of trade that doesn't depend on pure luck/murder, and can be stored indefinitely (along with hand lotion, possibly rendering the second one a moot point).
> It could mean the road. Would we have electricity you think?
Sure, if physical means of generating energy are still usable.
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,606
@316,598 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Actually that's wrong. I have no issue with you personally. I'm simply offended by your naivety and lack of life experience, and your unwillingness to hear people who are quite obviously smarter in certain areas than you are.
I have no desire to mock you. I was actually hoping to connect a few brain cells in that skull of yours. Though you did make me rage, a little. I assumed that was the result of trolling, but now I'm not so sure.
Actually that's wrong. I have no issue with you personally. I'm simply offended by your naivety and lack of life experience, and your unwillingness to hear people who are quite obviously smarter in certain areas than you are.
I have no desire to mock you. I was actually hoping to connect a few brain cells in that skull of yours. Though you did make me rage, a little. I assumed that was the result of trolling, but now I'm not so sure.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,608
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 58 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,609
@316,606 (H)
he wasnt advocating a barter system though, he was stating that people would use such a system after the fall of man.
he wasnt advocating a barter system though, he was stating that people would use such a system after the fall of man.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,610
@316,606 (H)
who's going to enforce this monetary system of gold based currency after the apocalypse? Who sets the value? how is it regulated? by the survivors?
what are we doing, printing coins? we're coin makers now? yesterday 1,000 atomic bombs went off, today we're coin makers i guess.
makes sense.
nah, the only method of trade that works without a "system" in place to support it is bartering. as i said, gold will be a commodity, not a currency.
who's going to enforce this monetary system of gold based currency after the apocalypse? Who sets the value? how is it regulated? by the survivors?
what are we doing, printing coins? we're coin makers now? yesterday 1,000 atomic bombs went off, today we're coin makers i guess.
makes sense.
nah, the only method of trade that works without a "system" in place to support it is bartering. as i said, gold will be a commodity, not a currency.
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,613
@316,609 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
A system used by the people who would be raped and murdered by groups of people who've embraced the use of money. Same as always.
Efficient systems always come to dominate those which are less efficient.
A system used by the people who would be raped and murdered by groups of people who've embraced the use of money. Same as always.
Efficient systems always come to dominate those which are less efficient.
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Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 47 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,617
@316,610 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
> yesterday 1,000 atomic bombs went off, today we're coin makers i guess.
Again, you're only thinking in the short term. Of course gold wouldn't be immediately valuable, all I'm saying is that it will be a likely candidate for currency once the need for it arises, be it decades or centuries later.
> yesterday 1,000 atomic bombs went off, today we're coin makers i guess.
Again, you're only thinking in the short term. Of course gold wouldn't be immediately valuable, all I'm saying is that it will be a likely candidate for currency once the need for it arises, be it decades or centuries later.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 9 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,618
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 45 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,619
@316,613 (H)
lol, systems and groups, and societies and rules, all of that is gone. it's just you and your shopping buggy scratching out a meal.
lol, systems and groups, and societies and rules, all of that is gone. it's just you and your shopping buggy scratching out a meal.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,623
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Are we actually discussing the progression of humanity after a cataclysmic catastrophe, or are you just spouting depressing horseshit from fiction?
Are we actually discussing the progression of humanity after a cataclysmic catastrophe, or are you just spouting depressing horseshit from fiction?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 6 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,624
@316,617 (J)
sure, but you could say the same thing about paper money, again, decades, maybe centuries later, currency could be used again.
sure, but you could say the same thing about paper money, again, decades, maybe centuries later, currency could be used again.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 14 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,627
@316,613 (H)
what? you think that the people clinging to currency would do so well for themselves, that they would effectively wipe out everyone else? Seriously is this MM?
what? you think that the people clinging to currency would do so well for themselves, that they would effectively wipe out everyone else? Seriously is this MM?
kook !nH6RAuX8mo double-posted this 14 years ago, 19 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,628
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,630
@316,624 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Maybe, but fiat currency is either paper, material that is probably not as hardy and durable as metal, or exists solely as an abstract concept in the form of electronic money. Also, there's already a fuckload more of it printed today than should be: it's entirely possible that with a drastically smaller population, money won't even be scarce enough to trade, for all we know.
Maybe, but fiat currency is either paper, material that is probably not as hardy and durable as metal, or exists solely as an abstract concept in the form of electronic money. Also, there's already a fuckload more of it printed today than should be: it's entirely possible that with a drastically smaller population, money won't even be scarce enough to trade, for all we know.
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,640
@316,619 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Oh my god you're fucking retarded. Let me ask you this: in this fictitious post-apocalyptic society were talking about, is it even possible for two people to communicate? If your answer is yes, then guess what? There's at least one system of rules that's survived right there. So long as people survive, there will be systems that survive. For people are compelled to build upon systems.
And that's all it really takes for trade you know, two people who can communicate. Two people with mutual desires. It's like sex really. Tell me sex doesn't exist in post apocalyptic society and I'll laugh. Tell me monetized trade doesn't exist and I'll feel sorry for you.
Oh my god you're fucking retarded. Let me ask you this: in this fictitious post-apocalyptic society were talking about, is it even possible for two people to communicate? If your answer is yes, then guess what? There's at least one system of rules that's survived right there. So long as people survive, there will be systems that survive. For people are compelled to build upon systems.
And that's all it really takes for trade you know, two people who can communicate. Two people with mutual desires. It's like sex really. Tell me sex doesn't exist in post apocalyptic society and I'll laugh. Tell me monetized trade doesn't exist and I'll feel sorry for you.
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,652
@previous (H)
you can scream till your lungs hurt that your money will always have value.
it is all an illusion.
if society fell, so would your net worth.
you can scream till your lungs hurt that your money will always have value.
it is all an illusion.
if society fell, so would your net worth.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,656
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Still failing hard. Gold is not "fake" money, it's real money. Money as evolution would have it.
Anyhow, I can't wast any more time on you. Thanks for the rage though. It was fun.
Still failing hard. Gold is not "fake" money, it's real money. Money as evolution would have it.
Anyhow, I can't wast any more time on you. Thanks for the rage though. It was fun.
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,666
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,668
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
I'm not running away. Just tired of throwing my pearls before swine. It gets old you know.
I'm not running away. Just tired of throwing my pearls before swine. It gets old you know.
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squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,669
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 28 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,694
Has anyone said you can't eat a gold sammich yet? Because you can't eat a gold sammich.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 46 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,715
@previous (M)
Exactly! Your sammich will have beem eaten long after your gold is still gold. Once you get that, you'll get what I'm saying.
But seriously I need to go now. I'm bored by your stupidity. Perhaps the Jews are superior after all. I never have to argue about such things with them.
Exactly! Your sammich will have beem eaten long after your gold is still gold. Once you get that, you'll get what I'm saying.
But seriously I need to go now. I'm bored by your stupidity. Perhaps the Jews are superior after all. I never have to argue about such things with them.
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Anonymous H double-posted this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,720
@316,669 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Why wouldn't I bail when I've made several excellent points and you're unwilling to concede even one? This tells me all I need to know about your character. It tells me that you "have to be right." Well for your sake I hope your fortunate enough to actually witness the collapse of society. Maybe then you'll actually learn a thing or two.
Why wouldn't I bail when I've made several excellent points and you're unwilling to concede even one? This tells me all I need to know about your character. It tells me that you "have to be right." Well for your sake I hope your fortunate enough to actually witness the collapse of society. Maybe then you'll actually learn a thing or two.
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,724
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,734
@previous (K)
You too motherfucker. I hope you're also actually fortunate enough to witness the collapse of society.
protip: you're gonna wish you had gold.
You too motherfucker. I hope you're also actually fortunate enough to witness the collapse of society.
protip: you're gonna wish you had gold.
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,737
@previous (H)
im buying all of the bullions i can right now because of your posts anonymous h. sadly i doubt mc will still be around when society collapses in order for me to properly thank you
im buying all of the bullions i can right now because of your posts anonymous h. sadly i doubt mc will still be around when society collapses in order for me to properly thank you
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,743
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,759
@316,720 (H)
your arguments are bad because it presupposes there's a society in place where all the people hold the same standard of value and enforce it.
after the apocalypse we'll each individually be lucky to trade a blanket for a bit of jerky.
you'd best hope jesus never returns and there isn't an apocalypse
you can't seem to fathom that when society collapses so does your valuable currency.
your arguments are bad because it presupposes there's a society in place where all the people hold the same standard of value and enforce it.
after the apocalypse we'll each individually be lucky to trade a blanket for a bit of jerky.
you'd best hope jesus never returns and there isn't an apocalypse
you can't seem to fathom that when society collapses so does your valuable currency.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,761
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
But that's still wrong. Gold is gold prior to the apocalypse and gold will remain gold post-apocalypse. Your failure to comprehend this fact is why I know you to be a retard.
But that's still wrong. Gold is gold prior to the apocalypse and gold will remain gold post-apocalypse. Your failure to comprehend this fact is why I know you to be a retard.
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Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,762
invest in tinfoil because hats are really a hot commodity regardless of pre- or post-apocalyptic scenarios
squeegee !firstkPE1Q replied with this 14 years ago, 15 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,766
@316,761 (H)
your willingness to go for petty insults is why i know you to be less intelligent than you think you ought to be.
gold remains gold, but the concept of it as a currency is what changes. you're unwilling to separate gold from currency.
you seem to think that it has some kind of special value that makes gold transcend itself and magically be valued by people who don't need it.
silly brainwashed monkey. you'll believe anything they sell you
your willingness to go for petty insults is why i know you to be less intelligent than you think you ought to be.
gold remains gold, but the concept of it as a currency is what changes. you're unwilling to separate gold from currency.
you seem to think that it has some kind of special value that makes gold transcend itself and magically be valued by people who don't need it.
silly brainwashed monkey. you'll believe anything they sell you
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,767
@previous (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SQUEEGEE WHEN THE ALIEN OVERLORDS INVADE THEY CAN BE BOUGHT OFF WITH GOLD BECAUSE GOLD IS THE UNIVERSAL ELEMENT EVERYONE JIZZES THEIR PANTS FOR
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SQUEEGEE WHEN THE ALIEN OVERLORDS INVADE THEY CAN BE BOUGHT OFF WITH GOLD BECAUSE GOLD IS THE UNIVERSAL ELEMENT EVERYONE JIZZES THEIR PANTS FOR
Anonymous M replied with this 14 years ago, 25 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,775
Gold sammiches. They don't work. The hierarchy of needs will be right on down to the bottom. Food, water, shelter. Anything beyond that be of no value until society begins to stabilize itself again and some fuckwad figures out a way to bring Jersey Shore back on the air.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 59 seconds later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,776
@previous (M)
> and some fuckwad figures out a way to bring Jersey Shore back on the air.
It will be a horrible, horrible cycle.
> and some fuckwad figures out a way to bring Jersey Shore back on the air.
It will be a horrible, horrible cycle.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,777
@316,775 (M)
> Jersey Shore back on the air.
Can't we just stay in the apocalypse?
@316,766 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
You're right, squeegee. Anon H seems to suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to economics. He's too incompetent to realize how little he knows.
> Jersey Shore back on the air.
Can't we just stay in the apocalypse?
@316,766 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
You're right, squeegee. Anon H seems to suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to economics. He's too incompetent to realize how little he knows.
Anonymous M replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,778
@316,776 (J)
It will be. Because someone will find a way. Some goddamn Jew will find a way about the time gold begins to have value again.
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
We could be so lucky.
It will be. Because someone will find a way. Some goddamn Jew will find a way about the time gold begins to have value again.
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
We could be so lucky.
Anonymous K replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,779
inb4ing feudalism
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,782
@316,777 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
> Anon H seems to suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to economics. He's too incompetent to realize how little he knows.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
> Anon H seems to suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect when it comes to economics. He's too incompetent to realize how little he knows.
You ain't seen nothing yet.
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 8 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,854
@previous (J)
Perhaps, but not so incompetent as to imagine market value equates with worth, which many in this thread are doing.
Anyhow, it's was fun bit of rage, but now I'm bored. I'm still gonna buy gold, a rural hideaway, guns and hydroponic growing equipment.
Have fun bartering with water.
Perhaps, but not so incompetent as to imagine market value equates with worth, which many in this thread are doing.
Anyhow, it's was fun bit of rage, but now I'm bored. I'm still gonna buy gold, a rural hideaway, guns and hydroponic growing equipment.
Have fun bartering with water.
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sim !!Wsruetdhk joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,856
All copper conducts electricity.
Anonymous C replied with this 14 years ago, 59 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,864
@316,762 (K)
This. I have personally invested vast sums of money in the manufacture and distribution of tin foil hats.
This. I have personally invested vast sums of money in the manufacture and distribution of tin foil hats.
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Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #316,887
@previous (C)
You'd be surprised what people are willing to do for a good sized sheet of tinfoil in POST-APOCALYPTIC SOCIETY!
You'd be surprised what people are willing to do for a good sized sheet of tinfoil in POST-APOCALYPTIC SOCIETY!