Topic: 150 BILLION pixel picture of the Milky Way with zoom!
Ks !KansasxqvM started this discussion 14 years ago #18,573
Fox !FXYGNx1XR. joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later[^] [v] #307,853
Hot damn that's sweet.Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 29 minutes later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #307,862
Dat detail
Also, what's with the black spots right in the center of a lot of the stars?
Also, what's with the black spots right in the center of a lot of the stars?
Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #307,863
I wonder how many of those tiny specks have a planet or moon that has life?
And out of those that do, how many of those that do have life, have intelligent life?
And out of those that do, how many of those that do have life, have intelligent life?
Nexus !jNexusRe/. double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #307,866
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #307,868
Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 14 years ago, 10 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #307,876
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #307,880
@307,863 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
It's reasonable to assume the universe has intelligent civilizations forming and dying/forming/being destroyed all the time. Somewhere right now is intelligent life very similar to our own, in another place they are for more advanced, in another they are just stepping out of the proverbial caves and in yet another they have just blown their planet to shit. The numbers are too vast for this not to be happening.
It's reasonable to assume the universe has intelligent civilizations forming and dying/forming/being destroyed all the time. Somewhere right now is intelligent life very similar to our own, in another place they are for more advanced, in another they are just stepping out of the proverbial caves and in yet another they have just blown their planet to shit. The numbers are too vast for this not to be happening.
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Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #307,887
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Yes the probability is extremely high that intelligent life exists in our own galaxy, but Fermi's question always bothered me. Even if the civilizations had long went extinct, why haven't we found any evidence? Whether it be probes or just non natural radio pollution?
Yes the probability is extremely high that intelligent life exists in our own galaxy, but Fermi's question always bothered me. Even if the civilizations had long went extinct, why haven't we found any evidence? Whether it be probes or just non natural radio pollution?
squeegee !firstkPE1Q joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #307,890
@307,880 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
maybe. I believe there is much life in the universe, but, it's possible intelligent life is quite a bit less abundant than we might imagine. Consider how much damage can be (and is being) done to this planet. For the sake of argument let's say nuclear holocaust that wipes out higher life, or damage to the environment that is so severe that environmental collapse make it impossible for us to survive. Imagine our extinction, it's totally possible, and i'm not talking meteor from the sky, but, extinction due to our use of technology or something of our own invention.
it may be that higher forms of life are unstable and prone to extinction, like, as a natural law. overall it's possible (and likely) that as a whole life in this universe may mostly be microbial. An intelligent species that can prevent it's own extinction might be exceedingly rare.
maybe. I believe there is much life in the universe, but, it's possible intelligent life is quite a bit less abundant than we might imagine. Consider how much damage can be (and is being) done to this planet. For the sake of argument let's say nuclear holocaust that wipes out higher life, or damage to the environment that is so severe that environmental collapse make it impossible for us to survive. Imagine our extinction, it's totally possible, and i'm not talking meteor from the sky, but, extinction due to our use of technology or something of our own invention.
it may be that higher forms of life are unstable and prone to extinction, like, as a natural law. overall it's possible (and likely) that as a whole life in this universe may mostly be microbial. An intelligent species that can prevent it's own extinction might be exceedingly rare.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #307,891
@307,887 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
We just recently started finding planets orbiting suns (like 2003?), it's reaching to think we'd be capable of finding trace evidence of long-dead intelligent civilizations. And if they've been dead a billion years, would anything even be left? Outside of the radio waves, but that's pinning 99% of your hope on them using the same technology we use. I don't know who Fermi is, but maybe he didn't think this shit through.
We just recently started finding planets orbiting suns (like 2003?), it's reaching to think we'd be capable of finding trace evidence of long-dead intelligent civilizations. And if they've been dead a billion years, would anything even be left? Outside of the radio waves, but that's pinning 99% of your hope on them using the same technology we use. I don't know who Fermi is, but maybe he didn't think this shit through.
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Nexus !jNexusRe/. replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #307,894
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
I think it was 1995. Just finding a trace, some anomaly in a sea of CBR would be nice.
I think it was 1995. Just finding a trace, some anomaly in a sea of CBR would be nice.
Ks !KansasxqvM (OP) replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #307,895
@307,890 (squeegee !firstkPE1Q)
Intelligent life is surely extremely rare, I doubt anyone would argue against that. And the odds are totally against finding one that is in it's hayday of technology without blowing itself to bits or something similar. Miachu Kaku did some has very well thought out theories about this stuff. He refers to civilizations as 'types', like we're a type 2 barely out of the caves, extremely dangerous to ourselves etc. Very, very few civilizations make it to type 4, which would be interstellar travel, harnessing the power of nature in a non-destructive way and extremely long life spans. Even with knowing that the chances are one in a trillion and the civilization could be billions of light years away it's still a fascinating subject.
Intelligent life is surely extremely rare, I doubt anyone would argue against that. And the odds are totally against finding one that is in it's hayday of technology without blowing itself to bits or something similar. Miachu Kaku did some has very well thought out theories about this stuff. He refers to civilizations as 'types', like we're a type 2 barely out of the caves, extremely dangerous to ourselves etc. Very, very few civilizations make it to type 4, which would be interstellar travel, harnessing the power of nature in a non-destructive way and extremely long life spans. Even with knowing that the chances are one in a trillion and the civilization could be billions of light years away it's still a fascinating subject.
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Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #307,962
Damn that's delicious.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 22 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #308,012
Problem with looking for life out there is the speed of light, when we look at a planet that's very far away, we're not seeing it's present, we're seeing it's past. There could be advanced civilisations existing right now, but we're too far away to see their present, just their distant past.
The same logic could apply to radio waves, but you could take the view that a civilisation had radio waves and probes long before, and they could come at us any day now.
@307,894 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
There have been rumours of anomalous radio waves and such, but nothing concrete. Probably just conspiracy theorists being paranoid.
The same logic could apply to radio waves, but you could take the view that a civilisation had radio waves and probes long before, and they could come at us any day now.
@307,894 (Nexus !jNexusRe/.)
There have been rumours of anomalous radio waves and such, but nothing concrete. Probably just conspiracy theorists being paranoid.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #308,033
Look at it long and hard and tell me you still deny the reality of extraterrestrial visitation.
Gullible fucks.
Gullible fucks.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #308,085
@308,012 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
The other issue is their radio waves are not strong enough to reach us, and ours are not strong enough to reach them. Our radio waves are undetectable once you're more than a light year away from earth. Radio communication is only possible at that distance if you concentrate it into a very powerful beam aimed at the planet you're trying to communicate with.
The other issue is their radio waves are not strong enough to reach us, and ours are not strong enough to reach them. Our radio waves are undetectable once you're more than a light year away from earth. Radio communication is only possible at that distance if you concentrate it into a very powerful beam aimed at the planet you're trying to communicate with.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 double-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^] [v] #308,086
@308,033 (J)
I still don't believe it, because whatever life is out there probably cannot travel from solar system to solar system. If they can, they would have revealed themselves outright instead of being so elusive that we have to debate whether or not they exist.
I still don't believe it, because whatever life is out there probably cannot travel from solar system to solar system. If they can, they would have revealed themselves outright instead of being so elusive that we have to debate whether or not they exist.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 36 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^] [v] #308,089
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
You've been conditioned to reject it. And evidently, to presume to know the motivations of non-human species.
You've been conditioned to reject it. And evidently, to presume to know the motivations of non-human species.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 32 minutes later, 20 hours after the original post[^] [v] #308,096
@previous (J)
No, I've been educated to reject. It's people who accept it who have been conditioned by sensational TV programming.
No, I've been educated to reject. It's people who accept it who have been conditioned by sensational TV programming.
Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 9 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #308,296
@previous (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
That not much of an "education" buddy. Seems more like indoctrination if you ask me.
The truly intelligent among us know that in the absence of direct observation, the prospect of anything at all, including alien's with a thing for anal probes exists in quantum superposition. It's better to think of it as both true and false at the same time than to accept of dismiss either possibility without evidence.
That not much of an "education" buddy. Seems more like indoctrination if you ask me.
The truly intelligent among us know that in the absence of direct observation, the prospect of anything at all, including alien's with a thing for anal probes exists in quantum superposition. It's better to think of it as both true and false at the same time than to accept of dismiss either possibility without evidence.
brainwurms !!gbU9At49F joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #308,331
UFO search started... Is there a way you can view the individual pixels?
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 17 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #308,644
I'm already wet just imagining a 3d version.