Topic: What would the United States be like with Ron Paul as president?
Anonymous A started this discussion 14 years ago #17,383
Would it really be the answer to all of our problems with President Paul or just the same ol' crap as always?
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later[^] [v] #293,843
with all the stupid canidates this time around im wondering if rp is a reverse psychology thing gamble
Dead !Pool7hVoC2 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 34 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #293,849
Everyone would be high
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,860
It wouldn't be the same ol' crap. It would be whole new pile of crap, but frankly I'm OK with that, because if you wanna make an omelette, you gotta break some eggs.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,861
Mountainman wants it, so it would probably be terrible.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,873
Just remember that even if he won, all of congress would still hate him. So he wouldn't be able to positively do anything, he could only negatively do things. i.e. he couldn't get his legislation passed that would remove appellate jurisdiction from the supreme court for abortion, but he could veto budgets and stop wars.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 20 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,876
Homosexuals would be burned at the stake.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 6 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,887
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIeW0DY64bE
The interviewer is the most despicable person I think I have ever heard in my life. Sometimes I wonder at the way Ron Paul phrases things, then I listen to famous Christians in the USA and I understand completely. Christianity in the USA is evil. I thought we were bad sometimes over here, but I seriously think that USA Christianity is worse than Islam. It ridiculously distorts the entire political process. The games politicians have to play to keep USA Christians on their side are pathetic.
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,904
Four years of stalled government while the president fights with Congress. It would be hilarious to watch if I didn't live in the US.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 52 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,912
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Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,924
@293,912 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
I'm guessing he wouldn't get anything done and would keep vetoing everything until Congress finally just bypassed him to get a budget through. Yeah, watching the economic panic and resulting chaos as federal funding for just about anything suddenly became uncertain at best would be amusing if I weren't living here.
I'm guessing he wouldn't get anything done and would keep vetoing everything until Congress finally just bypassed him to get a budget through. Yeah, watching the economic panic and resulting chaos as federal funding for just about anything suddenly became uncertain at best would be amusing if I weren't living here.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 54 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,935
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos double-posted this 14 years ago, 57 seconds later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,936
@293,924 (H)
He's already released his budget plan. There is complete certainty as to what he would try and do.
He's already released his budget plan. There is complete certainty as to what he would try and do.
adam jensen !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,939
@293,935 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
Nothing gets done when the president and congress just veto eachothers bills.
Nothing gets done when the president and congress just veto eachothers bills.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,941
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 32 minutes later, 11 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,945
@293,939 (adam jensen !AIy/L67q.s)
And what don't you like about that situation? The more government does the worse things are.
@previous (H)
That's up to congress, not Ron Paul.
And what don't you like about that situation? The more government does the worse things are.
@previous (H)
That's up to congress, not Ron Paul.
adam jensen !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,954
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 46 seconds later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,955
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,963
adam jensen !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,964
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,965
adam jensen !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 14 years ago, 21 minutes later, 15 hours after the original post[^] [v] #293,968
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 6 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^] [v] #294,022
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 day later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,510
America would answer to Rome as opposed to Israel. Change is good.
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,511
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 2 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,526
Decadence.
Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 13 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,628
Do you still think the president matters? They're all playing the same game. Too much money is at risk.
Paul wouldn't be a good president, regardless. If he were next to competent people, he wouldn't look 1/10 as good.
Paul wouldn't be a good president, regardless. If he were next to competent people, he wouldn't look 1/10 as good.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 31 minutes later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,633
@previous (M)> Do you still think the president matters? They're all playing the same game. Too much money is at risk.
Yes. The President is commander in chief of the military, holds a veto power, and appoints numerous public officials. The president matters.
> Paul wouldn't be a good president, regardless. If he were next to competent people, he wouldn't look 1/10 as good.
You make a convincing point, with many rational arguments, logical inferences, and credible evidence. Oh wait lol no you didn't
sage joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,643
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 4 hours later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,665
@294,628 (M)
> If he were next to competent people, he wouldn't look 1/10 as good.
Yeah, all the competent republicans are saving themselves for the next election cycle where they won't have to run against an incumbent. Even with all the GOP crazies who jumped into the ring this time around, Paul has been trailing. That's a pity for him I suppose -- it was a good time to put his name out there, but once the economy starts to swing back up, his schtick will wear a little thin.
> If he were next to competent people, he wouldn't look 1/10 as good.
Yeah, all the competent republicans are saving themselves for the next election cycle where they won't have to run against an incumbent. Even with all the GOP crazies who jumped into the ring this time around, Paul has been trailing. That's a pity for him I suppose -- it was a good time to put his name out there, but once the economy starts to swing back up, his schtick will wear a little thin.
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Anonymous J replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 3 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,671
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 15 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,829
@previous (J)
This.
Also, I've been a Ron Paul supporter since '07, but even I have to admit that he's clearly done. I'm really surprised at how much better he did, and I'm glad people are taking his ideas much more seriously, and he's started a great grassroots movement, but Santorum is beating him in the polls for fuck sake. America is clearly too retarded to be ready for a good President, when Santorum can beat Paul.
This.
Also, I've been a Ron Paul supporter since '07, but even I have to admit that he's clearly done. I'm really surprised at how much better he did, and I'm glad people are taking his ideas much more seriously, and he's started a great grassroots movement, but Santorum is beating him in the polls for fuck sake. America is clearly too retarded to be ready for a good President, when Santorum can beat Paul.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 double-posted this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,832
I'll still vote for Paul in my state's primary on principle, but right now it's pretty clear that Romney is going to be the nominee. I just hope that Romney will offer Paul a position as VP and not one of the other slimeballs. I'll vote for Romney in the general election as long as Santorum is not his running mate.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,862
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos double-posted this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,863
@294,665 (H)
> Gingrich
> Romney
> GOP crazies
what? These guys are the bread and butter of the republican party. These guys are establishment, and powerful people in the GOP. Santorum is the only real crazy.
> Gingrich
> Romney
> GOP crazies
what? These guys are the bread and butter of the republican party. These guys are establishment, and powerful people in the GOP. Santorum is the only real crazy.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos triple-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,864
@294,832 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Do you think (Ron) Paul would accept a Romney VP?
Why would you support Romney over Obama? What would he do differently?
Do you think (Ron) Paul would accept a Romney VP?
Why would you support Romney over Obama? What would he do differently?
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,871
@294,863 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
> Gingrich
> Romney
> These guys are the bread and butter of the republican party.
LOL
> Gingrich
> Romney
> These guys are the bread and butter of the republican party.
LOL
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,891
@previous (H)
wow you sure showed me! everyone in this has been enlightened by you coherent response
wow you sure showed me! everyone in this has been enlightened by you coherent response
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,909
@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
I can't laugh at that? Gingrich hasn't been relevant since the Clinton-era and is being blasted in the press for not being "conservative enough" for the GOP. Romney is a 2008 also-ran who won't get much support from the bible belt but wants to pretend otherwise. Saying that "Mitt the Millionaire Mormon" and Mr. "Open Marriage" are the "bread and butter" of the Republican Party is pretty funny.
I can't laugh at that? Gingrich hasn't been relevant since the Clinton-era and is being blasted in the press for not being "conservative enough" for the GOP. Romney is a 2008 also-ran who won't get much support from the bible belt but wants to pretend otherwise. Saying that "Mitt the Millionaire Mormon" and Mr. "Open Marriage" are the "bread and butter" of the Republican Party is pretty funny.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,914
@previous (H)
> Clinton hasn't been relevant since he was the most relevant man in the GOP. This makes him crazy!
> Romney was a top-tier candidate in the 2008 Republican race who raised more money than any other candidate. This makes him crazy!
> Clinton hasn't been relevant since he was the most relevant man in the GOP. This makes him crazy!
> Romney was a top-tier candidate in the 2008 Republican race who raised more money than any other candidate. This makes him crazy!
adam jensen !AIy/L67q.s replied with this 14 years ago, 23 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,916
@294,891 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
implying you wheren't just stating someting without any arguments whatsoever
implying you wheren't just stating someting without any arguments whatsoever
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,917
@294,864 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
Because Romney is a business man and a fiscal conservative and Obama is like a kid with a credit card.
Because Romney is a business man and a fiscal conservative and Obama is like a kid with a credit card.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,919
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 14 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,921
@294,917 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
Romney is not a fiscal conservative. I heard that his budget will increase the deficit by US$2T over 10 years. I have not seen figures for Obama but it is hard to imagine it being worse than that.
Romney is not a fiscal conservative. I heard that his budget will increase the deficit by US$2T over 10 years. I have not seen figures for Obama but it is hard to imagine it being worse than that.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos double-posted this 14 years ago, 49 seconds later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,923
@294,919 (H)
To be fair, I do not deserve the credit - it is actually your post rewritten without an agenda!
To be fair, I do not deserve the credit - it is actually your post rewritten without an agenda!
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos triple-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,924
@294,916 (adam jensen !AIy/L67q.s)
My argument was that these people are not "GOP crazies", but rather some of its most rich and powerful men.
My argument was that these people are not "GOP crazies", but rather some of its most rich and powerful men.
Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4 replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,926
@294,921 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
First of all, where did you hear that and what are you basing that on? Second, he hasn't proposed a budget yet, so how can anyone say that? He has proposed ideas, and all his fiscal ideas involve cutting the budget. He wants to pass a law that would prevent spending from exceeding 20% of GDP. Third, 10 years after spending 4-8 years in office? That's impressive. Vote for Romney: He can manipulate time.
First of all, where did you hear that and what are you basing that on? Second, he hasn't proposed a budget yet, so how can anyone say that? He has proposed ideas, and all his fiscal ideas involve cutting the budget. He wants to pass a law that would prevent spending from exceeding 20% of GDP. Third, 10 years after spending 4-8 years in office? That's impressive. Vote for Romney: He can manipulate time.
Anonymous H replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,927
@294,923 (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
> To be fair, I do deserve the credit - it is actually words and concepts I slammed together nonsensically!
ftfy
> To be fair, I do deserve the credit - it is actually words and concepts I slammed together nonsensically!
ftfy
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,938
Somalia, in essence.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 3 hours later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,970
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #294,994
@previous (P)
This.
Everything would descend into anarchy and everybody would have to become a pirate to survive.
This.
Everything would descend into anarchy and everybody would have to become a pirate to survive.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 1 hour later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #295,022
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos double-posted this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #295,023
@294,926 (Broseph !!fxnDb+Ve4)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/newt-gingrich-rick-santorum-tax-plans-budget-deficit_n_1297304.html
Here is a relevant article. Google it and find out, the US$2T figure may come from Obama's pricings of GOP promises, I'm not sure. The order of fiscal conservatism in the GOP is Paul > Romney > Santorum > Gingrich
You seem to confusing his platitudes with his actual proposed policies. His rhetoric is great, but he does not actually practically follow that.
I don't see what you don't understand about the 10 year figure. It is 2 years longer than 8 years, 6 years longer than 4 years.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/23/newt-gingrich-rick-santorum-tax-plans-budget-deficit_n_1297304.html
Here is a relevant article. Google it and find out, the US$2T figure may come from Obama's pricings of GOP promises, I'm not sure. The order of fiscal conservatism in the GOP is Paul > Romney > Santorum > Gingrich
You seem to confusing his platitudes with his actual proposed policies. His rhetoric is great, but he does not actually practically follow that.
I don't see what you don't understand about the 10 year figure. It is 2 years longer than 8 years, 6 years longer than 4 years.
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos triple-posted this 14 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #295,024
Anonymous E replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 4 days after the original post[^] [v] #295,027
@previous (mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos)
Hahaha! Even for you that was too stupid. I lol'd heartily.
Could we hear something about how there's too much gun control over there next, perhaps?
Hahaha! Even for you that was too stupid. I lol'd heartily.
Could we hear something about how there's too much gun control over there next, perhaps?
mountainman !4EB6xd.Oos replied with this 14 years ago, 5 hours later, 5 days after the original post[^] [v] #295,105
@previous (E)
Compelling argument you make there bro. There are several governments in Somalia, all competing for control of the entire country. The problem is not lack of government, but abundance of government.
I have no knowledge of the level of gun controls in Somalia.
Compelling argument you make there bro. There are several governments in Somalia, all competing for control of the entire country. The problem is not lack of government, but abundance of government.
I have no knowledge of the level of gun controls in Somalia.