Topic: All of my life experience have led me to one conclusion
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih started this discussion 15 years ago #172
Money does, in fact, buy happiness.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later[^] [v] #3,094
It promotes happiness. ^-^
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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,106
Money buys whores, food, and comfort. Those things are all pleasures, but pleasure is not the same thing as happiness. True happiness transcends physical pleasure.
AC !tyLmN8C16E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 21 seconds later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,107
Up to ~60,000 USD annually, yes. Beyond that, no.
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 28 seconds later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,111
@3,106 (G)
I happen to disagree. Even people who have family and friends, who who are starving and freezing on the street, are not happy.
I happen to disagree. Even people who have family and friends, who who are starving and freezing on the street, are not happy.
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 19 seconds later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,113
AC !tyLmN8C16E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 16 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,117
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,120
@3,111 (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
But how do you know they aren't starving and freezing specifically because they are not happy? You provided no basis to establish which is the cause and which is the effect.
But how do you know they aren't starving and freezing specifically because they are not happy? You provided no basis to establish which is the cause and which is the effect.
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,126
@3,117 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
Really? You know, I did hear that on NPR now that you mention it. Why do they say that 60k + does not make you happier?
Really? You know, I did hear that on NPR now that you mention it. Why do they say that 60k + does not make you happier?
RF !rFox/iQSaQ replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 19 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,127
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Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,141
@previous (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
Well, I contend unhappy people make less money precisely because they are unhappy. Think about it rationally for a second. If you have two employees, one who loves his job and is grateful to have it and one who hates his job and wants nothing more than to find something better, who are you going to give a raise to first?
Well, I contend unhappy people make less money precisely because they are unhappy. Think about it rationally for a second. If you have two employees, one who loves his job and is grateful to have it and one who hates his job and wants nothing more than to find something better, who are you going to give a raise to first?
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AC !tyLmN8C16E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 25 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,147
@3,126 (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
From $0 to $60,000, the gains in purchasing power, upward mobility, and social stability trend upward with the increased annual income. Beyond $60,000, however, each additional dollar provides a diminishing amount of happiness.
It is said that money cannot buy happiness, but that saying really should be considered shorthand for “excessive wealth cannot buy happiness.†For people under the median income of their peers, money certainly does provide some happiness.
From $0 to $60,000, the gains in purchasing power, upward mobility, and social stability trend upward with the increased annual income. Beyond $60,000, however, each additional dollar provides a diminishing amount of happiness.
It is said that money cannot buy happiness, but that saying really should be considered shorthand for “excessive wealth cannot buy happiness.†For people under the median income of their peers, money certainly does provide some happiness.
RF !rFox/iQSaQ replied with this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,149
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The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,161
@3,141 (G)
In that situation, sure, but many people donot have that opportunity. A starving AIDS child in Africa, for example, cannot get a job, and he is certainly not happy. Money would solves 99% of his problems, and make him happy, I contend.
In that situation, sure, but many people donot have that opportunity. A starving AIDS child in Africa, for example, cannot get a job, and he is certainly not happy. Money would solves 99% of his problems, and make him happy, I contend.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,168
@previous (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
Really. I wasn't aware money was the cure for AIDS. Someone really should tell the gay guys about this. I hear they hate having to use condoms.
Really. I wasn't aware money was the cure for AIDS. Someone really should tell the gay guys about this. I hear they hate having to use condoms.
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,184
@3,147 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
But I do not understand how being a multi-billionaire would not bring happiness. Your choice of doing anything at all is unlimited.
But I do not understand how being a multi-billionaire would not bring happiness. Your choice of doing anything at all is unlimited.
AC !tyLmN8C16E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,189
@previous (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
It does bring some happiness, but at a diminishing rate. You likely become more caught up in the cycle of wasteful spending and stress and lose sight of the basic empowerment that comes through money.
From a utilitarian viewpoint, money given to the ultra-rich will deprive poor people of happiness and cause a net decrease in global happiness.
It does bring some happiness, but at a diminishing rate. You likely become more caught up in the cycle of wasteful spending and stress and lose sight of the basic empowerment that comes through money.
From a utilitarian viewpoint, money given to the ultra-rich will deprive poor people of happiness and cause a net decrease in global happiness.
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The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 35 seconds later, 42 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,190
Anonymous K joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,196
Yes. Only fuckers that have never been poor say dumbass shit like, "Money can't buy happiness." They've never had to face foreclosure or overdue notices or eviction or an empty stomach with no hope of food for days...
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 second later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,197
@3,184 (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
That's where the unhappiness comes in. Reality not living up to expectations. The billionaire thinks all his problems are solved only to be slammed with the cold hard truth: while he can have most things, he still can't have everything.
That's where the unhappiness comes in. Reality not living up to expectations. The billionaire thinks all his problems are solved only to be slammed with the cold hard truth: while he can have most things, he still can't have everything.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,200
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 0 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,201
@3,107 (AC !tyLmN8C16E)
Those studies are full of shit. I recently read one that pegged that supposed number at $85,000.
Those studies are full of shit. I recently read one that pegged that supposed number at $85,000.
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,204
AC !tyLmN8C16E replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,207
@3,201 (K)
Yes, the specific number conflicts amongst various reports, but I’d say the core parts of it seem sound.
I haven’t reviewed their methods and checked their math. ;_;
Yes, the specific number conflicts amongst various reports, but I’d say the core parts of it seem sound.
I haven’t reviewed their methods and checked their math. ;_;
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 17 seconds later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,209
hurrr durrr I have tons of money hurrr durrr trust me money does not matter hurrr durrr sorry you are starving to death hurrr durrr but I will not help you hurrr durrr
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,211
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AC !tyLmN8C16E replied with this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,212
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 51 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,216
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #3,227
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,246
The point is, it's difficult to live happily in poverty, especially when you're alone.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,251
Here is the black version of DM.The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 42 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,253
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Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 38 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,256
Dark Miller
Next, Anti-Miller.
Next, Anti-Miller.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,261
And here is the black MM.Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,262
Money doesn't buy happiness, it alleviates suffering. Not the same thing.
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,274
@previous (G)
Nonsense. Money does both. It can feed a starving man, or it can allow a wealthy man to drive a racecourse or buy a Rolls Royce or go adventuring around the world or have tons of pussy or live in paradise etc. Those things are happiness, not just the opposite of suffering.
Nonsense. Money does both. It can feed a starving man, or it can allow a wealthy man to drive a racecourse or buy a Rolls Royce or go adventuring around the world or have tons of pussy or live in paradise etc. Those things are happiness, not just the opposite of suffering.
AC !tyLmN8C16E replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,275
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,277
@3,201 (K)
Of course those studies are full of shit. Happiness is internal, not external. It isn't something that can be measured objectively. Unless they're using MRI's and intracerebral fluid samples, they're working off corrupt data.
Of course those studies are full of shit. Happiness is internal, not external. It isn't something that can be measured objectively. Unless they're using MRI's and intracerebral fluid samples, they're working off corrupt data.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 33 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,280
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,300
@3,274 (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
All those things you refer to are pleasures, not happiness. Pleasures inspire happiness, but they are not happiness in and of themselves. For Christ sakes DM, you claim to be an educated man. Surely you see the distinction.
It's simple. Pleasures become boring or painful once you've had enough. Happiness never becomes boring.
All those things you refer to are pleasures, not happiness. Pleasures inspire happiness, but they are not happiness in and of themselves. For Christ sakes DM, you claim to be an educated man. Surely you see the distinction.
It's simple. Pleasures become boring or painful once you've had enough. Happiness never becomes boring.
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The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,307
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,311
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 39 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,312
Those of you with money, who think that money does not matter or bring happiness, please give me your money right now and prove your philosophy.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,320
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You are uninformed. Equating pleasure and happiness is considered by modern thinkers to be a failing of classical philosophy.
You are uninformed. Equating pleasure and happiness is considered by modern thinkers to be a failing of classical philosophy.
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Anonymous G double-posted this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,328
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So, while having sex our happiness is increasing, but after we orgasm and can't bear it anymore our happiness supposedly decreases. That's total bullshit. The pleasure fades, the happiness remains. Not semantics.
So, while having sex our happiness is increasing, but after we orgasm and can't bear it anymore our happiness supposedly decreases. That's total bullshit. The pleasure fades, the happiness remains. Not semantics.
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The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,340
Those of you with money, who think that money does not matter or bring happiness, please give me your money right now and prove your philosophy.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,352
@3,311 (K)
It's not about that. It's a matter of pleasure not being enough. You can't experience pleasure constantly and still think of it as pleasure.
It's not about that. It's a matter of pleasure not being enough. You can't experience pleasure constantly and still think of it as pleasure.
Anonymous K replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,375
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 50 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,377
Those of you with money, who think that money does not matter or bring happiness, please give me your money right now and prove your philosophy.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,378
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You assume happiness is subordinate to pleasure. I believe the opposite to be true. People simply do not enjoy pleasing unhappy and ungrateful people as thoroughly as they enjoy pleasing happy and grateful people.
My belief has led to my happiness. How's yours working out?
You assume happiness is subordinate to pleasure. I believe the opposite to be true. People simply do not enjoy pleasing unhappy and ungrateful people as thoroughly as they enjoy pleasing happy and grateful people.
My belief has led to my happiness. How's yours working out?
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The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,384
@previous (G)
Those of you with money, who think that money does not matter or bring happiness, please give me your money right now and prove your philosophy.
Those of you with money, who think that money does not matter or bring happiness, please give me your money right now and prove your philosophy.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #3,391
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Good for you. Still, you should read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Guide-Developing-Lifes-Important/dp/0316167258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296779649&sr=8-1
Good for you. Still, you should read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Happiness-Guide-Developing-Lifes-Important/dp/0316167258/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296779649&sr=8-1
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@3,274 (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
> it can allow a wealthy man to drive a racecourse or buy a Rolls Royce or go adventuring around the world or have tons of pussy or live in paradise etc. Those things are happiness, not just the opposite of suffering.
DM, that's entertainment, not happiness. It's a distraction from the usual drudgery of pushing shit uphill, but you don't need any of those things to feel happy. I'd wager a cold beer that any true happiness you've ever felt was unrelated to material wealth. Think back to your childhood. Didn't you feel happy playing with your friends, laughing with your buddies or sharing a good yarn? You didn't need money for any of that, and yet you were probably happier then than you've ever been during your adult life.
> it can allow a wealthy man to drive a racecourse or buy a Rolls Royce or go adventuring around the world or have tons of pussy or live in paradise etc. Those things are happiness, not just the opposite of suffering.
DM, that's entertainment, not happiness. It's a distraction from the usual drudgery of pushing shit uphill, but you don't need any of those things to feel happy. I'd wager a cold beer that any true happiness you've ever felt was unrelated to material wealth. Think back to your childhood. Didn't you feel happy playing with your friends, laughing with your buddies or sharing a good yarn? You didn't need money for any of that, and yet you were probably happier then than you've ever been during your adult life.
The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #3,455
@previous (M)
The happiest times I can remember were playing with my male friends in the empty lot, playing baseball, tag, football, whatever. However, I also had a warm house and warm food to go home to. I can promise that, had I been homeless and hungry, I would not remember those times as happy times.
The happiest times I can remember were playing with my male friends in the empty lot, playing baseball, tag, football, whatever. However, I also had a warm house and warm food to go home to. I can promise that, had I been homeless and hungry, I would not remember those times as happy times.
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 1 day later, 1 day after the original post[^] [v] #5,120
@previous (The Magogo„¢ !!F0+vKzoih)
DM, even if you and your friends had been living in a forest scrounging for nuts and berries, you still would have found happiness in their company. That's the nature of the human beast; it's hardwired into our genes.
DM, even if you and your friends had been living in a forest scrounging for nuts and berries, you still would have found happiness in their company. That's the nature of the human beast; it's hardwired into our genes.