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you can and will kill someone because someone with authority says so the same principle goes behind the reports of people pretending to be cops and having staff at shops hold innocent people and do strip searches on them but it's a bit off topic
brie !hW6clEMVuQ joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 8 minutes later[^][v]#285,778
or in other words, you can and will do anything if you can justify shifting the blame to somebody else~
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 5 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^][v]#285,780
They were questionable ethics-wise (three participants had siezures while doing it, but to be fair Milgram probably couldn't have predicted this), but I think they did more good than harm. One of the reasons he did it was to test the "Germans are different" theory (basically a theory that German nazis had been able to committ atrocities in WW2 because Germans revere authority figures more, something like that). These experiments obviously disproved that rubbish and showed us an unpleasant truth about the human psyche.
Also, 84% of the participants said they were glad/very glad to have taken part, so I think that they got something out of it too.
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Also, if you haven't already heard of them you might be interested in the Asch experiments.
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 14 years ago, 6 minutes later, 19 minutes after the original post[^][v]#285,784
Sheridan & King's experiment was interesting (real electric shocks to a puppy). I always wondered if the subjects in the Milgram experiment realised the screams were not genuine.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 minutes after the original post[^][v]#285,786
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Oh fuck, I read about that one. The participants were even in the room for it, they could see the puppy being shocked. I would've thought that would've deterred them, but no, quite few of them still delivered the maximum shock.
> I always wondered if the subjects in the Milgram experiment realised the screams were not genuine.
It's debatable, but I'd argue that a lot of them didn't know. Lots of them showed signs of geniune stress (shaking, sweating, nervous laughter and of course some the odd seizure).
It's not inconcievable that a few of them may have figured it out, though.
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Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 33 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^][v]#285,787
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Also interesting because all the women complied until the end. The 7 who refused at various stages in the experiment were male.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 4 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#285,788
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Yeah, some repeats of the Asch experiments using female participants also found women to be more conforming.
On a related note, in one of the Milgram experiments a woman didn't comply because she had a son waiting for her outside.
Anonymous D replied with this 14 years ago, 9 minutes later, 37 minutes after the original post[^][v]#285,789
@285,786 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx) > I would've thought that would've deterred them, but no quite few of them still delivered the maximum shock.
Yeah. Out of 26 participants, 20 kept going until the end. @previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Apparently the women in Sheridan and King's experiment showed a greater deal of stress and anxiety than their male counterparts, yet they were still more conforming, which I find odd.
I'd like to think if I were in one of these experiments I would refuse to comply.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 14 years ago, 7 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^][v]#285,790
@previous (D) > I'd like to think if I were in one of these experiments I would refuse to comply.
Heh, don't we all? You probably wouldn't comply, but mostly because you'd be aware of what the experiment was.
If you had no knowledge of these experiments beforehand, then you might. Though even in the original Milgram experiment some participants didn't deliver the maximum shock, so I guess it ultimately comes down to strength of character.