Topic: UK government bans creationism in state-funded schools
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #16,243
http://www.humanism.org.uk/news/view/961
Although this was pretty much a non-issue, because creationists here are a rarity, I am still pleased. :D
The British Humanist Association (BHA) has welcomed a new revision of the model funding agreement for Free Schools by the Government in order to preclude ‘the teaching, as an evidence-based view or theory, of any view or theory that is contrary to established scientific and/or historical evidence and explanations.’ This highly significant change has been made in order to ban creationism from being taught in Free Schools, and prevent creationist groups from opening schools. The change follows the BHA coordinating the ‘Teach evolution, not creationism!’ campaign, which called for this precise change.
In September, the BHA came together with thirty leading scientists and science educators including Sir David Attenborough, Professor Richard Dawkins and Professor Michael Reiss, and five national organisations to launch ‘Teach evolution, not creationism!’, which called on the government to introduce statutory guidance against the teaching of creationism and garnered significant press coverage. The BHA also launched a government e-petition making the same call, which has now garnered over 20,000 signatures.
In September, the BHA came together with thirty leading scientists and science educators including Sir David Attenborough, Professor Richard Dawkins and Professor Michael Reiss, and five national organisations to launch ‘Teach evolution, not creationism!’, which called on the government to introduce statutory guidance against the teaching of creationism and garnered significant press coverage. The BHA also launched a government e-petition making the same call, which has now garnered over 20,000 signatures.
Although this was pretty much a non-issue, because creationists here are a rarity, I am still pleased. :D
Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later[^] [v] #280,224
They already have to abide by the National Curriculum anyway so it is basically just lip service. I am still pleased.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,226
@previous (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
According to this article, the campaign that lead to this change "called for evolution to be included at both primary and secondary levels in the National Curriculum and in all schools."
According to this article, the campaign that lead to this change "called for evolution to be included at both primary and secondary levels in the National Curriculum and in all schools."
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Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 7 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,227
@previous (A)
I don't remember being taught evolution in primary school. Then again, I don't remember much of primary school.
I don't remember being taught evolution in primary school. Then again, I don't remember much of primary school.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,230
@previous (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
I wasn't taught evolution in primary school either. I was taught a lot about Jesus though. Lots of Bible readings and hymns also.
I wasn't taught evolution in primary school either. I was taught a lot about Jesus though. Lots of Bible readings and hymns also.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 12 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,231
Good.
@280,227 (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
Don't think any theories like that were ever actually taught in classes, no.
@280,227 (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
Don't think any theories like that were ever actually taught in classes, no.
Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,232
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 23 seconds later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,233
@280,230 (A)
Huh, we never had bible readings. Unlucky, mate.
Still, we had constant hymns and the odd bible story though, which was annoying. We used to add our own words to the hymns though which made it more fun.
Huh, we never had bible readings. Unlucky, mate.
Still, we had constant hymns and the odd bible story though, which was annoying. We used to add our own words to the hymns though which made it more fun.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,234
@280,231 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
@280,232 (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
I think the next thing we should do is stop funding faith schools, and also ban compulsory Christian worship.
@280,232 (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
I think the next thing we should do is stop funding faith schools, and also ban compulsory Christian worship.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,235
@280,233 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Despite the Bible readings and hymns, nobody in our class actually believe in God. Ironically, I think the very act of forcing it on us lead us to reject it. :p
Despite the Bible readings and hymns, nobody in our class actually believe in God. Ironically, I think the very act of forcing it on us lead us to reject it. :p
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,243
What about secondary school? Anyone have any religious people come in? We had some people come and distribute miniature bibles, which promptly resulted in kids throwing the bibles at each other in hilarious "bible wars". There was also this Welsh guy who came in sometimes and did plays where the chracters only won when they embraced god.
@280,234 (A)
Yes. Faith schools are terrible. Dawkins did a documentary on them and most of them try to avoid evoloution altogether.
And yeah, worship should be optional. Even back then I knew what I believed when it came to religion, making all of the religious stuff utterly pointless.
> “it did not matter if pupils were bored, did not like going to chapel or were not interested in religious matters at the age of 15, 16 or perhaps even 17. That daily event gave each pupil a background to which they could return in later life. It was very important to have.â€
What does that even mean? And this won over actual statistics? :/
> “The Government believe that the experience of collective worship makes a contribution to the spiritual and moral development of young people, not just for those who attend religious schools.â€
> spiritual development
wat
Some of these arguemnts are making me rage so hard, lol.
@280,234 (A)
Yes. Faith schools are terrible. Dawkins did a documentary on them and most of them try to avoid evoloution altogether.
And yeah, worship should be optional. Even back then I knew what I believed when it came to religion, making all of the religious stuff utterly pointless.
> “it did not matter if pupils were bored, did not like going to chapel or were not interested in religious matters at the age of 15, 16 or perhaps even 17. That daily event gave each pupil a background to which they could return in later life. It was very important to have.â€
What does that even mean? And this won over actual statistics? :/
> “The Government believe that the experience of collective worship makes a contribution to the spiritual and moral development of young people, not just for those who attend religious schools.â€
> spiritual development
wat
Some of these arguemnts are making me rage so hard, lol.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,256
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
When I was in secondary school we had folk from Gideons come in and give us little red Bibles too. I promptly threw mine in a river. As I walked home the streets were littered with Bibles pupils had thrown on the ground. :D
> Dawkins did a documentary on them and most of them try to avoid evoloution altogether.
I think it's mostly Muslim schools which teach creationism. Everyone I talk to who attended a Christian school (usually Catholic, sometimes CoE) as kids said they were taught evolution, or at least briefly taught about natural selection.
I think the Pope himself endorses theistic evolution, or the previous Pope did anyway. The current Pope's statements on evolution seem vague.
When I was in secondary school we had folk from Gideons come in and give us little red Bibles too. I promptly threw mine in a river. As I walked home the streets were littered with Bibles pupils had thrown on the ground. :D
> Dawkins did a documentary on them and most of them try to avoid evoloution altogether.
I think it's mostly Muslim schools which teach creationism. Everyone I talk to who attended a Christian school (usually Catholic, sometimes CoE) as kids said they were taught evolution, or at least briefly taught about natural selection.
I think the Pope himself endorses theistic evolution, or the previous Pope did anyway. The current Pope's statements on evolution seem vague.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,257
@280,243 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> spiritual development
I still can't figure out what exactly that means.
I lol'd at
> The Lord Bishop of Chester suggested the amendments were “tarred with secularist intent.â€
Their arguments are poor. I'm surprised the amendments were rejected. I guess that's what you get for having a House of Lords filled with Church of England peers.
Oh and that's another thing. Remove the Church of England as our state church.
> spiritual development
I still can't figure out what exactly that means.
I lol'd at
> The Lord Bishop of Chester suggested the amendments were “tarred with secularist intent.â€
Their arguments are poor. I'm surprised the amendments were rejected. I guess that's what you get for having a House of Lords filled with Church of England peers.
Oh and that's another thing. Remove the Church of England as our state church.
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Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 49 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,258
Dam lol your country is backwards!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,259
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 54 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #280,260
@280,256 (A)
Yes, those were the ones! There were bits of tiny red bibles everywhere. :')
I think those guys go to most secondary schools.
> The current Pope's statements on evolution seem vague.
Doesn't suprise me. The guy really doesn't like secularism/atheism. He did come over here and compare atheists to nazis, after all. Wouldn't suprise me if he didn't like the idea of evolution full stop.
Yes, those were the ones! There were bits of tiny red bibles everywhere. :')
I think those guys go to most secondary schools.
> The current Pope's statements on evolution seem vague.
Doesn't suprise me. The guy really doesn't like secularism/atheism. He did come over here and compare atheists to nazis, after all. Wouldn't suprise me if he didn't like the idea of evolution full stop.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx double-posted this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,263
@280,257 (A)
> > spiritual development
> I still can't figure out what exactly that means.
Sounds like a buzzword to me. Something to keep religious folks happy I guess.
Does this mean that the government believes in ghosts?
And yeah, the church of England has too much influence in politics. Really they shouldn't have a role in government at all.
> > spiritual development
> I still can't figure out what exactly that means.
Sounds like a buzzword to me. Something to keep religious folks happy I guess.
Does this mean that the government believes in ghosts?
And yeah, the church of England has too much influence in politics. Really they shouldn't have a role in government at all.
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Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,265
@280,260 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> I think those guys go to most secondary schools.
They do I think.
If you ever go to a hotel, open the bedside drawer and there will be a 99% chance of a Gideons Bible in there. Those bloody Bibles are everywhere. I was given one by my GP last year, he said he was given 100 and paid to hand them all out to patients.
They're in hospitals too, or hospital wards with beds for overnight sleeping.
> I think those guys go to most secondary schools.
They do I think.
If you ever go to a hotel, open the bedside drawer and there will be a 99% chance of a Gideons Bible in there. Those bloody Bibles are everywhere. I was given one by my GP last year, he said he was given 100 and paid to hand them all out to patients.
They're in hospitals too, or hospital wards with beds for overnight sleeping.
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misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 32 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,266
@280,260 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Yeah, we got the same, tiny red bibles. We all got a serious talk after what is now known as 'The great bible burning' right accross my school took place. Wasn't because people disagreed with god or anything, just that those goddamn pages burned so well. Plus we're all scouse and therefore born pyromaniacs...
Yeah, we got the same, tiny red bibles. We all got a serious talk after what is now known as 'The great bible burning' right accross my school took place. Wasn't because people disagreed with god or anything, just that those goddamn pages burned so well. Plus we're all scouse and therefore born pyromaniacs...
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,268
@280,263 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
The fact people who talk about 'spiritual development' have any influence in how this country is run scares me. :(
Can't wait to here how the Christian Party react.
The fact people who talk about 'spiritual development' have any influence in how this country is run scares me. :(
Can't wait to here how the Christian Party react.
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,270
@280,266 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
> Wasn't because people disagreed with god or anything, just that those goddamn pages burned so well.
Lol'd.
> Wasn't because people disagreed with god or anything, just that those goddamn pages burned so well.
Lol'd.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,271
@280,259 (A)
Who are you? Why does you still have a state religion?
@280,260 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Evolution ≠secularism/atheism. The Catholic Church accepts all scientific discoveries and research as true, including evolution. There is nothing vague about it.
Who are you? Why does you still have a state religion?
@280,260 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Evolution ≠secularism/atheism. The Catholic Church accepts all scientific discoveries and research as true, including evolution. There is nothing vague about it.
misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,273
@280,270 (A)
The plastic didn't burn so well, mind. There's a stain on the road where it all happened, I'm sure.
Also, there's a stain on the ceiling of one of the physics rooms cos I accidentaly dropped a Wotsit into a bunson burner and it shot up and made my mark forever more. - Unrelated, but I think it's just the funniest fuckin' thing.
The plastic didn't burn so well, mind. There's a stain on the road where it all happened, I'm sure.
Also, there's a stain on the ceiling of one of the physics rooms cos I accidentaly dropped a Wotsit into a bunson burner and it shot up and made my mark forever more. - Unrelated, but I think it's just the funniest fuckin' thing.
Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,274
@280,271 (D)
> Why does you still have a state religion?
Because King Henry VIII wanted to divorce his fat ugly wife and the pope wouldn't let him, so he decided to make a new version of Christianity where he was the head and not the pope and divorce was allowed. He then divorced his fat ugly wife, killed the person he married after that and then married someone else who died so he married someone else who he then divorced and then married someone else who he also had killed and then died before he could divorce or kill the 6th.
But anyway, that meant that the monarch was the head of a religion so it is called the Church of England and is often referred to as a state religion except that's wrong because that implies a theocracy and the government is secular.
> Why does you still have a state religion?
Because King Henry VIII wanted to divorce his fat ugly wife and the pope wouldn't let him, so he decided to make a new version of Christianity where he was the head and not the pope and divorce was allowed. He then divorced his fat ugly wife, killed the person he married after that and then married someone else who died so he married someone else who he then divorced and then married someone else who he also had killed and then died before he could divorce or kill the 6th.
But anyway, that meant that the monarch was the head of a religion so it is called the Church of England and is often referred to as a state religion except that's wrong because that implies a theocracy and the government is secular.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,276
@280,273 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
I forget what he was trying to demonstrate, but my chemistry teacher was burning plastic on a bunsen burner and burning plastic flew out and hit me in the neck. I still have the scar it left.
> accidentaly dropped a Wotsit into a bunson burner
lol. I have trouble believing that was an accident. :D
I forget what he was trying to demonstrate, but my chemistry teacher was burning plastic on a bunsen burner and burning plastic flew out and hit me in the neck. I still have the scar it left.
> accidentaly dropped a Wotsit into a bunson burner
lol. I have trouble believing that was an accident. :D
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Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,277
@280,274 (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
The Church of England is our established church and protestantism is our state religion.
The Church of England is our established church and protestantism is our state religion.
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Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,279
@280,274 (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)
An established church in no way implies a theocracy - hence the two terms that have never been treated as synonymous. It just so happens that the UK has both an established church, and a theocracy, in that the monarch is also the high priest, and the Spiritual Lords lol
An established church in no way implies a theocracy - hence the two terms that have never been treated as synonymous. It just so happens that the UK has both an established church, and a theocracy, in that the monarch is also the high priest, and the Spiritual Lords lol
Anonymous D double-posted this 15 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,281
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,283
@280,274 (Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc)It funny to think that all of the strife over relgion in Ireland might not have been so bad if a morbidly obese man hadn't wanted a divorce so badly.
@280,266 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
I fucking lol'd.
@280,268 (A)
Ha, we have a Christian party? I'll take it as a good sign that I haven't heard of them until now.
On a related note, Dave has been saying someworrying things about religion. I don't think that christianity will do much to convince the average chav to be a decent person.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,284
@280,281 (D)
It is protestant in that it separated during from the Catholic Church during the Reformation. We just refer to it as "protestant" bro.
It is protestant in that it separated during from the Catholic Church during the Reformation. We just refer to it as "protestant" bro.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,285
@280,273 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
@280,276 (A)
lol'd. In my secondary there was a half-hearted attempt to set someone's school bag on fire, but it didn't work. Probably for the best, in retrospect.
@280,276 (A)
lol'd. In my secondary there was a half-hearted attempt to set someone's school bag on fire, but it didn't work. Probably for the best, in retrospect.
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misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,287
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
Some dudes in my school found a pigeon that was all hurt up and couldn't walk properly on the way to school. They strapped a firework to it and brought it into school. Unfortunatley they got caught trying to light it. I say unfortunatley cos that would've been one funny fucking thing to see. But still, sad, cruel etc.
Oh how tame your secondary school sounds ;3
Some dudes in my school found a pigeon that was all hurt up and couldn't walk properly on the way to school. They strapped a firework to it and brought it into school. Unfortunatley they got caught trying to light it. I say unfortunatley cos that would've been one funny fucking thing to see. But still, sad, cruel etc.
Oh how tame your secondary school sounds ;3
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,289
@280,283 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
> Ha, we have a Christian party? I'll take it as a good sign that I haven't heard of them until now.
I hadn't heard of it either, until a month ago when their leader was talking on the BBC about their opposition to the government's plans to legalise gay marriage.
> On a related note, Dave has been saying some worrying things about religion.
That was a giant disappointment. He says he's a "vaguely practising" Christian but I think he's lying. I think the only reason he said this was to appeal to Christian voters. The comments on the Daily Mail article were all praising him over it, so obviously it worked.
> Ha, we have a Christian party? I'll take it as a good sign that I haven't heard of them until now.
I hadn't heard of it either, until a month ago when their leader was talking on the BBC about their opposition to the government's plans to legalise gay marriage.
> On a related note, Dave has been saying some worrying things about religion.
That was a giant disappointment. He says he's a "vaguely practising" Christian but I think he's lying. I think the only reason he said this was to appeal to Christian voters. The comments on the Daily Mail article were all praising him over it, so obviously it worked.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 48 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,290
@280,287 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
> found a pigeon that was all hurt up and couldn't walk properly on the way to school. They strapped a firework to it
WTF!
> found a pigeon that was all hurt up and couldn't walk properly on the way to school. They strapped a firework to it
WTF!
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,291
@280,287 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
> Oh how tame your secondary school sounds
I know, right? We had fights and vandalism and all that, but you guys are on a whole different level.
> Oh how tame your secondary school sounds
I know, right? We had fights and vandalism and all that, but you guys are on a whole different level.
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,293
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,295
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,298
@280,284 (A)
Anglicanism is a protestant denomination of Christianity, yes. Protestant is a category of religion, not a religion.
Anglicanism is a protestant denomination of Christianity, yes. Protestant is a category of religion, not a religion.
misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY replied with this 15 years ago, 9 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,299
@280,290 (A)
I know, living here is like living in the jungle though, it's either the pigeon or you with the firework on the back.
@280,291 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I've managed to assert myself at one of the more senior levels in their food chain, luckily enough.
If I can't out-smoke or out-drink them, I fight them and win. They're all pally with you after you hit enough of them, funnily enough.
I know, living here is like living in the jungle though, it's either the pigeon or you with the firework on the back.
@280,291 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I've managed to assert myself at one of the more senior levels in their food chain, luckily enough.
If I can't out-smoke or out-drink them, I fight them and win. They're all pally with you after you hit enough of them, funnily enough.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,301
@280,293 (F)
Do you simply not understand the theory of theistic evolution or are you deliberately trying to mislead people?
Do you simply not understand the theory of theistic evolution or are you deliberately trying to mislead people?
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,302
@previous (D)
Calm your fucking hormones, dipshit. I just said he seemed a little negative on the idea.
Calm your fucking hormones, dipshit. I just said he seemed a little negative on the idea.
Rainbow !DASHqGnDdc replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,304
@280,287 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
These people at mine tied a string around ones feet and set it on fire and then let it go.
These people at mine tied a string around ones feet and set it on fire and then let it go.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,305
@280,293 (F)
Well damn. Doesn't suprise me though, he's not the most tolerant of popes.
Also, that 'Courageous' movie they're advertising on there sounds quite amusing.
Protecting society from criminals? Sure that's okay but teaching your child about god is much more courageous!
@280,299 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
lol, yeah I know what you mean. One time I got into a fight with a chav in the school swimming pool (that's just where it happened for some reason) and gave him a slightly black eye. Afterwards we got on much better.
Well damn. Doesn't suprise me though, he's not the most tolerant of popes.
Also, that 'Courageous' movie they're advertising on there sounds quite amusing.
Protecting society from criminals? Sure that's okay but teaching your child about god is much more courageous!
@280,299 (misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY)
lol, yeah I know what you mean. One time I got into a fight with a chav in the school swimming pool (that's just where it happened for some reason) and gave him a slightly black eye. Afterwards we got on much better.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #280,308
@280,302 (F)
He is 100% supportive of evolution, and subscribes to the theory of theistic evolution, as the Catholic Church has done since Darwinism became accepted by the scientific community. Just as they accepted uniformitarianism and an old earth when it became the majority view, just as they accepted heliocentricism when it was supported by empirical data, etc.
He is 100% supportive of evolution, and subscribes to the theory of theistic evolution, as the Catholic Church has done since Darwinism became accepted by the scientific community. Just as they accepted uniformitarianism and an old earth when it became the majority view, just as they accepted heliocentricism when it was supported by empirical data, etc.