Topic: Richard Stallman, the curse of the free software movement.
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago #16,018
I'm so fucking tired of everyone acting as if this dude's a saint when he's completely ridiculous. Doesn't even carry a fucking cell phone in this day and age? He dilutes his own message with his eccentricity, and it's absurd.
Ks !KansasxqvM joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #277,345
Richard is eccentric, but you gotta hand it to the guy for living by his words.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,347
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
He's a fat fuck who believes in "voluntary" pedophilia. As if a child really ever does anything voluntarily.
He's a fat fuck who believes in "voluntary" pedophilia. As if a child really ever does anything voluntarily.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,351
Anonymous C joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,354
@previous (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Stallman is a pedophile.
http://stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#On_sex
Stallman is a pedophile.
http://stallman.org/archives/2006-may-aug.html
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#On_sex
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,355
@277,351 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
Richard Stallman:
I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia
harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to
be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then
stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that
their little baby is maturing.
Richard Stallman:
I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia
harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to
be based on cases which aren't voluntary, which are then
stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that
their little baby is maturing.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,357
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 37 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,358
@277,355 (A)
Also
> “prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia†[...] All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.
Also
> “prostitution, adultery, necrophilia, bestiality, possession of child pornography, and even incest and pedophilia†[...] All of these acts should be legal as long as no one is coerced. They are illegal only because of prejudice and narrowmindedness.
Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 38 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,359
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,360
Richard Stallman is Kimmo Alm.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 45 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,365
@277,347 (A)
I'd would have volunteered, but I'm fucked up like that.
Not for Richard Stallman though ew
@277,359 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
So you think paedophilia has no pro's whatsoever?
I'd would have volunteered, but I'm fucked up like that.
Not for Richard Stallman though ew
@277,359 (Ks !KansasxqvM)
So you think paedophilia has no pro's whatsoever?
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Ks !KansasxqvM replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,367
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 47 seconds later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,368
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 55 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,369
@277,365 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
The pros of pedophilia are long since done away with. In ancient Greece, letting your teen get fucked by the top merchant, blacksmith or politician was legit, since your child would be trained free of charge to be successful in those careers.
But this is simply not the case now. We have been conditioned by society to think of sex as it's own reward. Modern pedophiles follow suit by offering nothing "in exchange" to their victims. Believing instead, the sexual experience itself is sufficient reward. Parents and society can accept this in the case of adults, but disagree when it comes to children, hence the intense hatred of pedophilia.
The pros of pedophilia are long since done away with. In ancient Greece, letting your teen get fucked by the top merchant, blacksmith or politician was legit, since your child would be trained free of charge to be successful in those careers.
But this is simply not the case now. We have been conditioned by society to think of sex as it's own reward. Modern pedophiles follow suit by offering nothing "in exchange" to their victims. Believing instead, the sexual experience itself is sufficient reward. Parents and society can accept this in the case of adults, but disagree when it comes to children, hence the intense hatred of pedophilia.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 56 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,370
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,371
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
I was wondering how long it would take you to appear. :D
I was wondering how long it would take you to appear. :D
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,372
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,373
@277,369 (A)
I agree to an extent with you. It wasn't just top merchants and blacksmiths who practiced pederasty.
It was also practiced in the immediate family. Where's the benefit it that? You could say it was an educational institution of sorts.
@277,370 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Money, it's a very lucrative business.
I agree to an extent with you. It wasn't just top merchants and blacksmiths who practiced pederasty.
It was also practiced in the immediate family. Where's the benefit it that? You could say it was an educational institution of sorts.
@277,370 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Money, it's a very lucrative business.
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,374
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,375
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Please people all over the world get exploited, die in wars, have sex for money, children are no different.
For some paedophilia is their only way to make a living. I don't condone the behaviour but who am I to judge?
I don't live on the streets in a shitty 3rd world country.
Also there is an educational side to it, considering the partnership is a mutual agreement.
Please people all over the world get exploited, die in wars, have sex for money, children are no different.
For some paedophilia is their only way to make a living. I don't condone the behaviour but who am I to judge?
I don't live on the streets in a shitty 3rd world country.
Also there is an educational side to it, considering the partnership is a mutual agreement.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,376
@277,373 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
@277,374 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
I remember when they used to say CP was a $20 billion industry. I wonder how big it really is.
@277,374 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
I remember when they used to say CP was a $20 billion industry. I wonder how big it really is.
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,377
@277,375 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
Of course I don't condemn the children in that case, who would?
I certainly judge the actions of the adults as morally wrong. That there are other people suffering in the world has no bearing on whether pedophilia should be tolerated--that's just inane.
I'm not sure what you mean by education in this context.
@277,375 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
I have a hard time believing that figure, but have no way of knowing.
Of course I don't condemn the children in that case, who would?
I certainly judge the actions of the adults as morally wrong. That there are other people suffering in the world has no bearing on whether pedophilia should be tolerated--that's just inane.
I'm not sure what you mean by education in this context.
@277,375 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
I have a hard time believing that figure, but have no way of knowing.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,379
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
You'd condemn the actions of the adults? If they didn't pay they would probably just raped the children anyway let's face it.
At least there is some money going to these children.
@277,376 (D)
I wouldn't be able to give you a number but I can tell you that pornography is the biggest business on the internet.
Over half off all websites out there are pornography sites. TOR is also riddled with child porn.
You'd condemn the actions of the adults? If they didn't pay they would probably just raped the children anyway let's face it.
At least there is some money going to these children.
@277,376 (D)
I wouldn't be able to give you a number but I can tell you that pornography is the biggest business on the internet.
Over half off all websites out there are pornography sites. TOR is also riddled with child porn.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,380
> I'm not sure what you mean by education in this context.
Obviously if sex is a legitimate human activity than being trained in it is no different than being trained to drive a car or prepare a meal. Trouble is, society has already considered the question and settled on the idea that persons under the age of x (18 in America) are not legal students.
Everyone but teen prostitutes and card-carrying pedophiles is comfortable with this concept, btw.
Obviously if sex is a legitimate human activity than being trained in it is no different than being trained to drive a car or prepare a meal. Trouble is, society has already considered the question and settled on the idea that persons under the age of x (18 in America) are not legal students.
Everyone but teen prostitutes and card-carrying pedophiles is comfortable with this concept, btw.
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 12 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,381
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,382
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
If the child accepts the money how can you say it's rape?
It's a vicious cycle I know.
If the child accepts the money how can you say it's rape?
It's a vicious cycle I know.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 46 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,383
@previous (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
It's not rape. The accepting of the money proves it. Money is god like that.
Still illegal though. Every bit as illegal as accepting payment for an eighth of weed is.
It's not rape. The accepting of the money proves it. Money is god like that.
Still illegal though. Every bit as illegal as accepting payment for an eighth of weed is.
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,384
@277,380 (A)
And certainly like any human activity, there is a context in which education can and should occur. If forced (by economic circumstances or physical force), in extreme distress or pain, I don't see at all how it's useful education long-term.
People aren't trained to drive a car before they are physically capable and are of an age where they're likely to have developed the capacity for good decision-making, for instance. Do you find that to be a silly setup?
The age of consent is 18 in very few places in the US.
@277,382 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
By virtue of age. Children cannot give meaningful consent.
And certainly like any human activity, there is a context in which education can and should occur. If forced (by economic circumstances or physical force), in extreme distress or pain, I don't see at all how it's useful education long-term.
People aren't trained to drive a car before they are physically capable and are of an age where they're likely to have developed the capacity for good decision-making, for instance. Do you find that to be a silly setup?
The age of consent is 18 in very few places in the US.
@277,382 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
By virtue of age. Children cannot give meaningful consent.
Handel !khEOdtKF56 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,385
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Once again we come to what is the definition of a child?
Under 18? Under the age of concent? Some other stupid random number?
Once again we come to what is the definition of a child?
Under 18? Under the age of concent? Some other stupid random number?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,387
@277,384 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
> The age of consent is 18 in very few places in the US.
In the US, a male who has sexual relations with a female under the age of 18 can be brought up on statutory rape charges in any of the 50 states. Is it guaranteed to happen, no, but it remains a possibility regardless.
This is a stone cold fact. You may want to pull your head out of your feminist asshole before running your mouth on things which you know nothing about.
> The age of consent is 18 in very few places in the US.
In the US, a male who has sexual relations with a female under the age of 18 can be brought up on statutory rape charges in any of the 50 states. Is it guaranteed to happen, no, but it remains a possibility regardless.
This is a stone cold fact. You may want to pull your head out of your feminist asshole before running your mouth on things which you know nothing about.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,388
@277,385 (Handel !khEOdtKF56)
It's always going to be an arbitrary number to some degree. Or would you argue no definition at all, because it's too "random"?
It's always going to be an arbitrary number to some degree. Or would you argue no definition at all, because it's too "random"?
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,389
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
This. Nobody is really saying that on the minute you turn 16/18/21 you're magically capable of consent, but there has to be an AoC and so of course it's going to be semi-arbitrary.
This. Nobody is really saying that on the minute you turn 16/18/21 you're magically capable of consent, but there has to be an AoC and so of course it's going to be semi-arbitrary.
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,390
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,391
@previous (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Sorry, I was just having a dickish reaction to society's double standards.
You know, the double standard that states when a 35 year old male fucks a 16 year old girl it's a criminal offense, but when a 40 year old cougar fucks some 16 your old boy it's "you go girl!"
Sorry, I was just having a dickish reaction to society's double standards.
You know, the double standard that states when a 35 year old male fucks a 16 year old girl it's a criminal offense, but when a 40 year old cougar fucks some 16 your old boy it's "you go girl!"
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,394
@previous (A)
No, I don't care about you being a dick, lol. I was more curious about how charges can be brought when the younger party is over the state's age of consent, if you know of that happening I'm interested to know more.
I agree with you on the double standard.
No, I don't care about you being a dick, lol. I was more curious about how charges can be brought when the younger party is over the state's age of consent, if you know of that happening I'm interested to know more.
I agree with you on the double standard.
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,397
@277,391 (A)
> but when a 40 year old cougar fucks some 16 your old boy it's "you go girl!"
That's because men have penises and women don't.
> but when a 40 year old cougar fucks some 16 your old boy it's "you go girl!"
That's because men have penises and women don't.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 16 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,401
I think age of consent it too young anyway. Have you evet talked to an 18 year old?
They are fucking idiots.
They are fucking idiots.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,402
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,404
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,405
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I agree, but how come people are only discovering this about him now? I thought it was common knowledge Stallman was a weirdo.
I agree, but how come people are only discovering this about him now? I thought it was common knowledge Stallman was a weirdo.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,407
@277,402 (D)
Really? Then why are pedos always complaining and saying they're persecuted?
13? Seens like a pedo wonderland
Really? Then why are pedos always complaining and saying they're persecuted?
13? Seens like a pedo wonderland
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,408
@277,405 (D)
He's sort of obscure anyway if you're not into free software or hang around places he's discussed. I only heard about him by coming to chans and seeing the interjection copypasta.
He's sort of obscure anyway if you're not into free software or hang around places he's discussed. I only heard about him by coming to chans and seeing the interjection copypasta.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,409
@277,407 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Pedos gonna ped.
> 13? Seens like a pedo wonderland
It's 13, but it's illegal to coerce or deceive anyone under 16 in having sex with you.
Pedos gonna ped.
> 13? Seens like a pedo wonderland
It's 13, but it's illegal to coerce or deceive anyone under 16 in having sex with you.
Anonymous D double-posted this 15 years ago, 36 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,410
@277,408 (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called Linux, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called Linux distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,411
@previous (D)
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linuxâ€, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux†distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linuxâ€, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux†distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Anonymous D replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,412
@previous (Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx)I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linuxâ€, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux†distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Anonymous I joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 8 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,613