Topic: 8th-grader killed by Texas police was carrying a pellet gun
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc started this discussion 15 years ago #16,000
Granted, it looked like a real gun.http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57352546/8th-grader-killed-by-tex-police-had-pellet-gun/
BROWNSVILLE, Texas — An armed eighth-grader gunned down by police officers in the hallway of his Texas middle school Wednesday was brandishing a pellet gun that looked like a firearm, and he refused repeated orders to lower the weapon before the officers opened fire, police said.
The carbon-dioxide powered pellet gun 15-year-old Jaime Gonzalez was holding looked like a handgun, and the initial report to police that sent officers rushing to Cummings Middle School Wednesday morning was for a student seen holding a gun, Orlando Rodriguez, Brownsville’s interim police chief, said at a news conference.
“He had plenty of opportunities to lower the weapon ... and he didn’t want to,†Rodriguez said. Two officers fired three shots, striking Gonzalez at least twice, he said. The autopsy results are pending.
The carbon-dioxide powered pellet gun 15-year-old Jaime Gonzalez was holding looked like a handgun, and the initial report to police that sent officers rushing to Cummings Middle School Wednesday morning was for a student seen holding a gun, Orlando Rodriguez, Brownsville’s interim police chief, said at a news conference.
“He had plenty of opportunities to lower the weapon ... and he didn’t want to,†Rodriguez said. Two officers fired three shots, striking Gonzalez at least twice, he said. The autopsy results are pending.
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Dead !Pool7hVoC2 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later[^] [v] #277,159
God damn Mexicans. I remember the last year I was in high-school a Mexican kid had an altercation with the campus cop because he didn't want to take the flag off his face. (He made the claim that the teacher was being racist because it was a Mexican flag, but all the white kids took the American flags off they're face because they understand respect)
this had nothing to do with Becky's article I just wanted to share
this had nothing to do with Becky's article I just wanted to share
protip !!pMmAiEwOm joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 4 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,160
inb4 100 replies
advi !!3gpAcg/hF joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 6 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,161
> BROWNSVILLE, Texas
> Jaime Gonzalez
Ah.
> Jaime Gonzalez
Ah.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,162
sounds like something that would happen in a border town
Anonymous F joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 15 seconds later, 9 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,163
Sad, but what are they supposed to do in a situation like that?
Anonymous F double-posted this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 14 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,164
Also, this is why the UK bans realistic imitation guns that aren't brightly coloured or transparent.
This kid would still be alive if he lived here.
This kid would still be alive if he lived here.
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cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 15 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,165
@previous (F)
That's a pretty reasonable policy. Of course, if you're a minority here, the cops will also shoot you for holding a wallet, so not sure it would help that much.
You have Mexicans there?
That's a pretty reasonable policy. Of course, if you're a minority here, the cops will also shoot you for holding a wallet, so not sure it would help that much.
You have Mexicans there?
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Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 17 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,166
Minichan: shit-tier reddit. Served stale daily.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 21 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,168
@previous (G)
Hey, I was hoping you could provide input to this topic: http://minichan.org/topic/15992
Thanks.
Hey, I was hoping you could provide input to this topic: http://minichan.org/topic/15992
Thanks.
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Killer Lettuce !!iNo3FkiZx joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,169
Tragic, but I don't see why he didn't just put down his fucking toy gun when the police with actual guns told him to.
@277,165 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Not too many Mexicans. no.
@277,165 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Not too many Mexicans. no.
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,170
I thought imitation guns had to have a marker to show they weren't real. Generally a bright orange tip. Also, three shots? Don't they have a taser they could have used or something? Christ.
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 24 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,171
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 26 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,172
@277,165 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
We could do with more.
@277,170 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
Is it really a good idea to shoot someone holding a gun with a taser? I mean, what if their finger spasms and they pull the trigger?
We could do with more.
@277,170 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
Is it really a good idea to shoot someone holding a gun with a taser? I mean, what if their finger spasms and they pull the trigger?
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,173
@previous (F)
Lethal force is supposed to be a last resort. It shouldn't have entered the officer's minds.
Tasers do cause muscles to tense but even so I doubt a shot would've have been fired because of it.
Random video of people being tased
Lethal force is supposed to be a last resort. It shouldn't have entered the officer's minds.
Tasers do cause muscles to tense but even so I doubt a shot would've have been fired because of it.
Random video of people being tased
Dead !Pool7hVoC2 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 29 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,174
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 30 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,175
@previous (Dead !Pool7hVoC2)
To play devil's advocate the officers allegedly did not know it was a pellet gun.
To play devil's advocate the officers allegedly did not know it was a pellet gun.
dw !AIy/L67q.s joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 31 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,176
dw !AIy/L67q.s double-posted this 15 years ago, 48 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,177
Also, even if it was a real gun those cops had no right to shoot.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 10 seconds later, 32 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,178
@277,173 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
I think someone pointing a gun at you, refusing orders, is a last resort situation.
I think someone pointing a gun at you, refusing orders, is a last resort situation.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 33 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,179
@277,174 (Dead !Pool7hVoC2)
I know, but I doubt they knew that otherwise they wouldn't have shot him.
@277,173 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
Don't cops in the US (or in some states) have to be tased once before they are allowed to use a taser? I think that's pretty cool.
I know, but I doubt they knew that otherwise they wouldn't have shot him.
@277,173 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
Don't cops in the US (or in some states) have to be tased once before they are allowed to use a taser? I think that's pretty cool.
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Dead !Pool7hVoC2 replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 35 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,181
@277,175 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
@previous (F)
Eh.
On the subject of tasers, they kinda suck. Got tased by one back in high-school by a friend. No bueno :/
@previous (F)
Eh.
On the subject of tasers, they kinda suck. Got tased by one back in high-school by a friend. No bueno :/
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 6 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,182
@277,178 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
Good point. At the very least they should have been able to disable him without lethal force. They could have easily shot his leg.
Good point. At the very least they should have been able to disable him without lethal force. They could have easily shot his leg.
Anonymous G replied with this 15 years ago, 27 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,183
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,184
@277,179 (F)
Yes they do. The idea is that knowing what you are going to be doing to someone will cause you to use more discretion.
Yes they do. The idea is that knowing what you are going to be doing to someone will cause you to use more discretion.
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 40 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,186
@277,181 (Dead !Pool7hVoC2)
Tasers are illegal here, they're a "prohibited weapon". So is pepper spray or any other "gas-discharging" weapon.
@previous (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
That makes sense. Perhaps they should also be shot? It would be like natural selection.
Tasers are illegal here, they're a "prohibited weapon". So is pepper spray or any other "gas-discharging" weapon.
@previous (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
That makes sense. Perhaps they should also be shot? It would be like natural selection.
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RaiRai joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,187
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,188
@277,186 (F)
Ha. Really though they need to beef up their psych evaluations of potential officers. For every cop that just tries to serve his/her community there are five that wear the badge for the power it gives them.
Ha. Really though they need to beef up their psych evaluations of potential officers. For every cop that just tries to serve his/her community there are five that wear the badge for the power it gives them.
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Anonymous M joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 47 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,189
> “He had plenty of opportunities to lower the weapon ... and he didn’t want to,â€
They could at least sound a little remorseful, rather than taking the opportunity to tell everyone it was all the dead kid's fault.
They could at least sound a little remorseful, rather than taking the opportunity to tell everyone it was all the dead kid's fault.
RaiRai replied with this 15 years ago, 59 seconds later, 48 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,190
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 50 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,191
Anonymous F replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 58 minutes after the original post[^] [v] #277,192
Dead !Pool7hVoC2 replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,193
@277,186 (F)
For the record, it was a hand tasor. The projection ones are stronger I guess
@277,191 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
Love this pic. Frog and Toad are THE SHIT
For the record, it was a hand tasor. The projection ones are stronger I guess
@277,191 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
Love this pic. Frog and Toad are THE SHIT
RaiRai replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,196
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,199
@277,192 (F)
I would say less, which is why they stick out so much more. There are a lot of steps to try to prevent it now than there ever has been.
@277,193 (Dead !Pool7hVoC2)
Fuck yes. I was raised on these books.
I would say less, which is why they stick out so much more. There are a lot of steps to try to prevent it now than there ever has been.
@277,193 (Dead !Pool7hVoC2)
Fuck yes. I was raised on these books.
HaikerensGuide !0VegJ9Jl.Q joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 33 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^] [v] #277,205
THAT is what the fucking pepper-spray/tazers are for.
Dead !Pool7hVoC2 replied with this 15 years ago, 21 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,207
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,236
Gonna go with the cops on this one. "If it's brown, put it down."
kids shouldn't have guns anyway, and if they do then they at least ought to be real. pellet guns make guns seem like toys because they are toys! giving them real guns would at least teach them some respect!
kids shouldn't have guns anyway, and if they do then they at least ought to be real. pellet guns make guns seem like toys because they are toys! giving them real guns would at least teach them some respect!
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,240
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 5 hours later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,289
Anonymous O double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,290
Would a private citizen get away with this? One law for all.
Anonymous P joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 9 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,291
What makes a citizen "private"?
TheSheep !kJ.A4PF7.k joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 26 minutes later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,305
Couldn't they shoot into his leg/shoulder or shoot into the hand holding the gun and just disable him... guess it was time to set an example and shoot him down...
Anonymous O replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 10 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,306
Unintentional Jackass !LASXURl1b6 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^] [v] #277,338
Lethal force should not have been used. But why care about things that have already happened? Bedsides, he was probably suicidal. Hence the waving a gun around even with guns pointed at him.