Topic: Results of my cross-board "child-rape" thread are in, and sorry MC, it seems you guys are the pedos.
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago#15,286
So, for a bit of amusing research, I posted my "what should happen to a child-rapist" thread on a bunch of AT-clones, such as here, GHOUL, etc (wasn't able to do it on TC because I'm banned from there for insulting Vocalon). I waited until the thread had received more than 20 votes on each site and a decent number of views (more than 50 at least).
The results don't make pleasant reading for Minichan I'm afraid. The number of people who voted "no punishment" for a child-rapist was a whopping, winning 33%. Yup, one third of the posters see no problem with raping children. No other board had such a high proportion. Even the much-maligned "pedo-board" GHOUL, for example, had 20%, from a comparative number of overall votes.
Not trolling here. I actually was interesting in what the results of this would be. And I'm not claiming that everyone here is a pedophile (just a third of you). But I do think I'll now take with a vat of salt all those anti-Kimmo, anti-Matt, anti-Pedo comments that this board prides itself on.
Not a pedo myself (though I will pre-empt the "lol, op is a pedo" posts). Just don't like glaring hypocrisy, that's all.
Anonymous B joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later[^][v]#267,684
Don't assume that all the "no punishment" votes are pedophiles. Anarchists are voting for no legal punishment not because they see no problem with raping children, but because they see a problem with state violence and coercion.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 7 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,686
Well fair enough, I'll bear that in mind...but how punishing a pedophile with, for example, signing the sex offender's register (as was one of the options) constitutes "state violence" is beyond me. And even assuming "coercing" a person to write his name on a piece of paper is violence, it strikes me as being somewhat less violent than raping a child.
Long story short and cutting straight to the conclusion: anarchists seem to be a bunch of assholes who don't quite think their ethos through, if what you suggest is in fact why they voted for 'no punishment'.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,692
@previous (A)
Coercion is forcing someone to do something by the threat of violence, or increased violence. To coerce someone into signing a register requires the state to be able and willing to commit acts of violence against this person.
Your question explicitly stated that consent was irrelevant for this consideration. A "consensual", in the sense, at least, of non-violent, sexual encounter with a child is, of course, not violent! and thus less violent than state coercion.
The universal nature of the question is also disconcerting to anarchists, who support private law, where people and communities voluntarily administer law. They may have been voting against universal, coercive punishments, while still supporting other forms of punishment.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 28 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,705
Ok, you argue the point well, so I'll leave it at that. I admit to being a little prejudiced towards anarchists, because my university was full of them - and a lot of them have now become basement-dwelling unemployment statistics who spend their lives on the internet, tirading against "the state"...and then every Friday go to the dole queue to ask the state for money to live. Now that is a stereotype, I know, I'm not saying all 'anarchists' are like this. But enough of them in my experience are. I just think that, in your post above, a mockery has been made of the word 'violence'. The state is willing to commit acts of violence against those who commit a crime and do not sign a register? No, no, no. We can't belittle and downgrade the notion of "violence" in this way. This is not violence, it is simply trying to keep the fabric of society together.
Your other points were interesting and I take them on board.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,716
Hiya
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc double-posted this 15 years ago, 20 seconds later, 36 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,717
Hey Squeegee, quite a debate we had on that other thread. How's it going old chum?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 38 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,723
I notice your attempt to get a 100-post thread is about as successful as a 1-legged man in an ass-kicking contest. The trick, you know, is to go with the pedo theme...gets a shit-load of posts. That or Kimmmo.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 41 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,727
@267,705 (A)
That's interesting that the demographics of anarchists are so different where you are. I would suggest that many of them are anarcho-communists or other such nonsense, but I don't know that, and I shouldn't even say that lol. I recently attended an anarchist conference with many key speakers of the modern anarchocapitalist movement, and I was one of the few people without a Dr. in front of my name! It was very humbling to be in the presence of such learned men.
"Violence is the use of physical force to apply a state to others contrary to their wishes." The aforementioned acts are certainly violence - the political question is whether such violence is justified. Statism is a political philosophy that suggests the optimal way of ordering society is to grant one organization a territorial monopoly on the use of force (i.e. a state). Anarchy claims that force is just as immoral when used by the state, and that all human interaction should be voluntary and consensual.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 42 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,728
@267,719 (A)
pretty good. Hey, i was thinking about that conversation earlier actually, let me ask you a question. Do you remember when I was talking about that hollowed out bronze bull, and how you put the pedophile inside and roast them over a fire while it converts their screams into beautiful music? And If i put someone in there you asked me how i'd feel, right? Is that what you meant, or what would I think?
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc double-posted this 15 years ago, 50 seconds later, 43 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,730
@267,723 (A)
Oh yeah, someone told me what the club was all about and so i gave up on it. I PM'd for a mod-lock, but it never happened.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 46 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,732
Do you mind my asking, are you in Britain or America? I have lived in Russia for the last 10 years, but I'm originally from England, and I keep a close eye on what happens over there (such as the recent 'occupation' of the City and so on).
I'll say now that I know very little about the ideology of anarchism and in principle have many questions, but in the interests of keeping with this theme, I'll ask just one: what would a 'learned' anarchist propose should happen to, for example, someone who commits some kind of horrific, anti-social crime such as serial murder or child rape?
Anonymous D joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,733
Is the idea that there is at least one person that is not a pedophile and does not harbor a vehement hatred of them really that hard to believe?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,737
Squeegee dude, I dunno if that's a serious question you're asking me. Truth be told, I actually wasn't against anything you were saying in that thread. I was bullshitting as much as you were. Just as you've never executed a pedo, neither am I vehemently against it. No hard feelings from my end about that conversation. Nobody on these forums is their real self, it's all just a bit of fun.
But if your question is genuine, then sure, if you want, write how you'd feel listening to a pedo get roasted. But if your aim is to shock then you'd better push your descriptive powers to the limit, because I've just finished reading the biography of Richard Kuklinski (a mafia contract killer who fed pedophiles to live rats and filmed it - the book is called The Ice Man by Philip Carlo. Google "Kuklinski" if you're interested to hear from this strange, remarkable monster), so...again, if you're looking to get a rise out of me because you think I'm anti-death penalty or pro-pedo, it ain't gonna happen, sunbeam.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 31 seconds later, 53 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,739
> Is the idea that there is at least one person that is not a pedophile and does not harbor a vehement hatred of them really that hard to believe?
For me, no it isn't, because it's exactly how I feel about the issue.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 59 minutes after the original post[^][v]#267,741
@267,737 (A)
fine. obviously I've hit a nerve. If you want to concede your end of the argument, that's fine. but don't paint me like the villain, I was merely trying to hold up the ethical arguments for slaughtering pedophiles. But if you've run out of gas on the subject and want to talk about something less personal to you, that's fine by me.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,743
@267,732 (A)
I am in Australia. Most people and communities under anarchy would operate with similar laws to what they have now, but these private laws would be administered by private courts, enforced by private enforcement agencies which would be voluntarily contracted, and not funded by taxation, which is inherently coercive. Private enforcement agencies would not have the special rights police have, though, and would have to respect personal and property rights like everyone else.
Anonymous E joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,745
@previous (B)
Be that as it may, under anarchy, couldn't some random people run in, get their cocks out, and smash all of those things?
vocalon !RVtoegPubI joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,748
go to bed dave
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 3 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,749
@267,745 (E)
To the same extent that they could under statism, yes...
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,751
@267,743 (B)
why? if you own the private police then who's to stop me from taking people's property. Look, i'm all for anarchy, i think I would thrive.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 17 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,753
I will once I'm through with your mother, Voccy boy. Didn't I just tell you to crawl up into her asshole and sluice out the remnants of last night's tricks? You oughta thank me kiddo, I'm helping pay for your education.
Squeegee...hmmm, seems I'm the one who struck a nerve there. Seriously dude, I couldn't give a fuck about that shit we wrote about. But carry on with it if you want. I won't be taking part in it, mind, things bore me quickly. But I'm happy to give you the floor of this thread if you need it.
vocalon !RVtoegPubI replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,755
@previous (A) > paying for something I give less than half of a fuck about
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,758
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,759
@267,749 (B)
But, as we both know, statist police are oppressive and brutal and usually put down such people before than can do anything. However, under anarchy any form of policing would have to be far less brutal, so these ruffians could very easily run into a place, expose themselves and smash everything.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,764
> >paying for something I give less than half of a fuck about
Damn, that's cold Voccy son. Not giving a fuck about your mother? I mean, respect to you and all, I probably wouldn't respect her myself if she was mine, not after what I've just done to her, but still...she is your mother, kiddo. Regardless of what she does with that fetid, cum-coated tunnel of love now, it is the rope down which you slid into this world. Just think, were it not for your mother, you would not be living the life you have now and.......aaahhhh, wait. Ok, I get it. Yup, carry on, hate your mother dude, I understand.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 48 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,766
Oi vey, Voccy boy...weak, lamentably weak. But don't worry, you're a kid, your agility with wit and repartee will grow as you educate yourself more. Here, let me help you with that process...hang on a minute, your mother is calling me back. We'll get you through school, son, you just see if we don't.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,775
@267,767 (vocalon !RVtoegPubI)
who is dave? and why is he pretending to be dismissive of me?
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 14 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,777
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 4 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,784
@267,778 (B)
But is random opression from cock-waving smashers true liberty? It's these fundamental idealogical questions that we need to be asking!
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,787
@267,783 (vocalon !RVtoegPubI)
isn't it scatman, or matt or something? I was hoping
vocalon !RVtoegPubI replied with this 15 years ago, 50 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,788
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Nah, scatman seems to like me and Matt's busy.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,790
@267,784 (E)
The only alternative to intermittent oppression is systemic oppression, under which intermittent oppression still occurs anyway.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,792
@267,788 (vocalon !RVtoegPubI) > Matt's busy.
sounds like a cover
vocalon !RVtoegPubI replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,794
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Nah, he's being yelled at on GHOUL. ._.
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 2 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,795
@267,790 (B)
But at least under the systematic oppression, the cock-waving smashers are kept at bay. For all of their evil, the statists hold these beasts back.
I just can't see how attacks from such men could be worth it, even with total liberty.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 53 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,796
> who is dave? and why is he pretending to be dismissive of me?
I'm not being dismissive of you Squeegee old boy. I held out an olive branch and said that nothing I said against you in our last duel was genuine, it was just a bit of fun about which I would struggle to give less of a fuck. You clearly didn't quite catch it and responded by telling me something like "ok, ok, you're throwing in the towel". Yeah, dude, whatever...seriously, if it makes your day better, you won the debate. You floored me, totally annihilated me. Honestly, the extent of the shit I could give would struggle to reach the end of this table I'm writing on. As I said, things bore me quickly. What we did 2 days ago doesn't interest me anymore. If you wanna keep it going, sorry bud...can't be bothered now. You served your use 2 days ago. Now, I'm done with you. I have to say by the way, you're a little arrogant. Demanding I pay attention to you and want to speak to you...come on sunshine, analyse yourself here...do you really think you're that interesting?
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,799
I found a picture of Dave.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 40 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,800
> Dave is this Russian guy who has a thing for fucking the worst people you can ever imagine. ._. > > Also he hates me but I don't really know why.
I don't hate you Voccy. You may not realise it now, but you will one day...I'm trying to help guide you away from a path you're currently on, viz, being the next lolcow of the internet. You're too young to be spending your life the way you're spending it now. Don't get me wrong...I do think you're a useless turd, but hate you? No. I follow in the footsteps of Christ our Lord. I do not hate anyone.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 30 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,801
That is actually surprisingly close to what I actually look like :)
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 55 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,803
@267,794 (vocalon !RVtoegPubI)
oh, i thought you meant he had a job or something
vocalon !RVtoegPubI replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,805
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
That, good sir, is the best joke I've heard all day.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,807
@267,796 (A)
see, like right here, i'm not even talking to the guy and he bashes me with a wall of tl;dr
for someone trying so hard to not care about me he kinda wants to tell me lots of stuff
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 5 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,808
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 37 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,819
oh, is it the guy that used to pretend to be bobby2socks? he kinda has that same inability to come across as genuine.
(he really want's to keep talking to me, but he keeps saying he doesn't want to. It's kinda got me creeped out a little.)
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,822
Ahhh, there's the voccy boy we all know and love. Stick to that kiddo, it's juuuuust about your level. See ya later kids, I'm off for a while. Keep postin'!
Anonymous E replied with this 15 years ago, 29 seconds later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#267,823
There're a couple of guys on GHOUL who know who I am. I really did just find these boards very recently, during a Google search for something. I'm the guy who made the epic post on GHOUL and on this site asking (and it was genuine, I really didn't know who the hell these people were) who Matt, Triptych, etc were. I knew who Kimmo was because I used to use his site, but all these other personalities from the underworld of Chanville, I really had no idea.
And so, long story short, I just became fascinated with these boards. It doesn't take long to slip into this odd subculture. If a cultural sociologist were aware of boards like this, he or she could write an epoch-defining tome. How seriously people take them. The in-fighting. The way people get upset over people they've never met. In short, a totally virtual life, as much as one can have such a thing. I find them mostly hilarious, but also, to be honest, a little sad and depressing.
But believe me or not, I'm really not any of those people who are being suggested. My name really is Dave. I really do live in Russia (have done for the last 10 years). Originally I'm from England. I have no special beef with anyone who uses these boards. I am a 'troll', it is true, but not a bad-natured one. Some people on these boards are actually intelligent and interesting. But the petty in-fighting...well, yeah, that amuses the fuck out of me.
Now I'll leave the regulars who append names to their internet personas to their pictures of pnies and chan-speak such as "lol u mad bro" ;) Carry on lads...
Anonymous H joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,841
I have a picture of your sister on head. You won't know this Voccy boy because she and I swore to keep this from you, but that in fact is how she got the money to buy you that new STD55761PF1 Pentium Processor last Christmas.
Anonymous B replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,858
@267,855 (vocalon !RVtoegPubI)
lol! Are you going to, though?
vocalon !RVtoegPubI replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,863
Yo Voccy son, if your earlier post before was genuine, and you honestly want to know why, despite the fact I've only been using the boards for less than a month, I have taken it upon myself to despise exactly you, when there are objectively 'worse' people than you about on these things, let me know. I'll explain it to you.
If, however, you couldn't give a fuck, then let's carry on ;)
vocalon !RVtoegPubI replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,875
Didn' catch that bud, may hap it's some Chanism I'm not familiar with. Again I'm a newbie here, I had to start an entire thread just to learn what the hell the whole Pony thing was about.
But again, if at some point in the future, when our paths doubtless cross again, you really wanna know why I go after you, let me know, I will tell you, and I hope that if nothing else you've figured out that, troll though I am, I don't bullshit. At the risk of sounding like the Lord our God, there is a reason you were chosen my son.
Falco !PZmcClOUDk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,879
I do, indeed I do. Can't live in Russia as an ex-pat without a working visa. They're pretty rigorous on that score, especially since the borders were opened with Tadjikistan and Turkmenistan and a lot of them flooded in looking for work. I personally now have 'vid na zhitelstvo' (something like a 'Green Card') because I'm married to a Russian, but even to get that, I had to show that I'd been employed here for 5 years and pass a Russian exam.
Why do you ask, you interested in coming here? If you need any help or advice, feel free...
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 51 seconds later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,884
Lines found written on an internet forum, by William Wordsworth.
Anonymous A (OP) triple-posted this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,888
Ah! I forgot who I'm writing to.
It's a reference to Lines Found Written On A Rock, Squeegee. A poem about the chiseling, erosive nature of time and the manner in which we too often waste out lives. Seemed apt for an internet-forum-bound person writing about people with no lives ;)
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,891
he kinda reminds me of Adam Anthropussy from back in the dr.roberts days. Either that or that super defensive "non-pedophile pedophile" whiteknight for pedophiles. Reminds me a whole lot of that guy. he used the same belligerent sorts of arguments and then got mad and then pretended not to care -but wouldn't stop posting about pedophiles. it was funny, that guy -not saying he's the same as this one, but he'd get mad as fuck and then spam.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,897
> he kinda reminds me of Adam Anthropussy from back in the dr.roberts days. Either that or that super defensive "non-pedophile pedophile" whiteknight for pedophiles. Reminds me a whole lot of that guy. he used the same belligerent sorts of arguments and then got mad and then pretended not to care -but wouldn't stop posting about pedophiles. it was funny, that guy -not saying he's the same as this one, but he'd get mad as fuck and then spam.
Ah, I just actually read that post carefully: "...back in the Dr Robert days". Sweet Jesus of Nazareth man, how long have you been using these sites? I was gonna give myself a month, tops.
Please, read that poem, it may change your life. Or rather, furnish you with one.
vocalon !RVtoegPubI replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,900
As of now, stop replying to the thread. This is a pedo thread and we are simply adhering to OP's demand for a 100+ reply thread.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,902
That was the old one Voccy me lad, this one is merely about the demographics of pedophilia on interweb forums. That and alluding to your mother's asshole resembling a wizard's sleeve.
In any case, you shouldn't let this type of thing angry up your blood so much, son. It's just the internet.
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 58 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,911
Incidentally this discussion of what exactly Vocalon's mother asshole resembles has become something of an in-depth aesthetic discussion over on another board. Any and all are welcome to join in here. Nominations so far include: a smashed crab, a kicked-in pumpkin, a wasps nest newly obliterated by a bug bomb, a bulldog that has been kicked in the face, and a sweaty, exhausted, destroyed, soggy mass of flesh dripping with old, crusty specks of animal cum.
Any more?
Anonymous J joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,912
What time is it where you live, OP?
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,913
I'm not sure, I just sent Vocalon's mother home to him, so it's probably quite late. Any special reason you ask?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,914
Friday night/Saturday morning, bud. Done my week's work. British Council never work at weekends. Having fun over hear, got some Floyd on, nice glass of red by the computer, perusing BBC, and fucking with Vocalon.
How we doing on that Dostoevskian analogy for his mother's asshole, is it forth-coming, pun very much intended?
Anonymous A (OP) double-posted this 15 years ago, 44 seconds later, 4 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,918
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#268,444
Ooh yeah baby, I see this one's kicked off again! Keep 'em coming boys, might go for 200 here. Hey what do we all think about...err, I dunno, about guys who are caught anally raping children and laughing while they do it? What should happen to them?.....
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#268,445
@previous (A)
next you should do a cut vs uncut thread!
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#268,446
Let's incorporate it into this one. Come on, let's shoot for a 200-post thread. So...as for me, I prefer a nice, clean, fastidiously-washed uncut piece of love-machinery. Anyone else?
Anonymous M replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#268,447
@previous (A)
i like the cock im sucking uncut too OP.
we aren't so different you and i.
Green !6PPj7P5Iag joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#268,482