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Topic: What should be the appropriate punishment for someone caught raping a child?
Anonymous A started this discussion 15 years ago#15,212
Firstly, some definitions: by child, I'm gonna be a little controversial and say any person under the age of 12. By rape, I mean penetrative sex, either vaginal or anal. 'Consent' is not an issue in this poll. Just the fact that intercourse took place is what matters. The person being charged is over 18. I want to gauge the general feeling of people on this board.
Are you serious, or are you just expressing how much you hate pedophiles? It's a genuine question, I'm not trying to start an argument - would you be happy living in a country which punished someone - anyone - in that way?
Falco !PZmcClOUDk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 11 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,523
I actually think castration is a good idea.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 13 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,525
I'm inclined to agree (in certain, extreme cases of child rape), but that can be done chemically (or surgically, but only involving the balls). Anon C wants the cock off as well.
Falco !PZmcClOUDk replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 17 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,527
@previous (A)
if the nuts aren't there there isn't really a sex drive and it would ultimately only make pissing an inconvenience. idk
DGH (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 20 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,529
Yeah I know, that's my point. I'm not sure I agree with Anon C that it's necessary to take the dick off, because that just seems like completely unnecessary punishment. It's not going to in any way affect his sexual urges.
Nexus !jNexusRe/. joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 27 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,531
I will say as a first offence in my opinion does not constitute life in prison, and it sure as hell does not constitute the death penalty. Some criminals can be rehabilitated, if given the right treatment, over the course of many years. It also depends on the circumstance. Was it a bona fide "Romeo and Juliet scenario"? Was the "rape" consensual between both parties? Was the "victim" forced or coerced under the threat of violence into these acts? Were drugs or alcohol involved? Has the "rapist" committed this act before, or is it a first offence? Does the "rapist" have any other drug offences or violent offences on his or her record? I am not justifying any sexual acts between an adult and a child, I personally find it abhorring, however, I believe the punishment should reflect the severity of the crime and the circumstances around the crime.
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misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 35 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,535
@OP
I think each case should be considered on it's own and there should not be a general punishment. If the sex is consensual and the minor is judged to be fit to decide whether or not he/she can choose to take part in the act, then no punishment should be given but the relationship should be watched and kept under control.
If it is genuine rape, then jail time should be given along with mental care to both victim and criminal. Say 20 years jail time and a lifetime of constant check ups and control for the perpatrator.
DGH (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 44 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,538
Ok, well-made points, but I don't know...I just have a problem with the idea of a child under 12 'consenting' to a sexual relationship. I accept that it's probably because of the time, place and culture I was raised in, and I don't say I'm right. I just can't get my head around someone whose body has not yet even begun puberty being psychologically prepared for a sexual relationship. But again, it may just be the environment into which I was raised.
I also find it hard to believe that if anyone (even those who say that an 11 year old can consent) had an 11 year old daughter who 'fell in love' with a 40-year-old guy, and wanted him sexually, then the father of that daughter would allow it to happen, albeit keeping a "close eye" on the relationship. It just seems to go against human nature, on a very primitive level, to have sex with under-developed children. Is there, for example, anyone here on this board who would feel ok about their pre-pusecent child having a sexual relationship with a man 20 or 30 years their senior, even if the child 'wanted' it?
Kids often want to try smoking and drinking, and maybe even soft drugs. Almost nobody has a problem with adults being punished for allowing them to do so. I just don't see why sex is any different, when in fact (only in my opinion) it is far more serious than those things.
Anonymous G joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 48 minutes after the original post[^][v]#266,542
You people say castration as though all pedophiles are male. What about the female ones?
The whole world is fucked up. What's the big deal?
misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 hour after the original post[^][v]#266,559
@266,538 (DGH)
Good points, let me clraify my opinion. It is my belief that when a child hits puberty (starts period/can ejaculate) that they are biologically ready for sex. Mentally, well obviously that depends on the child and his/her upbringing. Children are capable of coping with extrodinary things psychologically and sex is nothing compared to say living on the streets, or being bullied.
As for the parents. Well, although I wouldn't be extremley happy for my own hypothetical daughter to be in love with a 40 year old man, I would respect that it was her decision. But that would be down to me as a parent to decide. I'm underage, as is my girlfriend. Her parents are hardcore christians and I've been 'banned' from seeing her as they believe I'm a bad influece. That is their decision as parents. So I guess the point I'm trying to make is, obvioulsy the minor would have to take into account their parents wishes, but that is nothing to do with the state. To me it's exactly like the education of children on matters like drugs, abortion or safe sex. IMO, it should be down to the parents and not the state to get involved in affairs like that, so it is unimportant when talking about the law.
Again, I don't believe the adult should be punished for letting a child try smoking, drinking or weed. Forcing them to do so? Of course the responsible adult should be punished, but for letting them or making sure they do it in a safe enviroment etc? No.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,623
I would say lethal injection, but that seems too humane. I duuno, electrocution is supposed to be pretty painful, but if you want my opinion then they should go old school and roast them in one of those cool old bronze bulls, you know, where it's all hollowed out and you put the pedophile inside of it and then light a bonfire under it. It's pretty bad ass, there's even like a horn in the mouth so as the pedophile roasts and cooks to death his screams get amplified and make the bull sound like it's mooing.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 28 minutes later, 2 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,629
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
that's disgusting. who would be able to perform this horrible torture?
Homestar !RUNNERV7vk joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 13 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,632
5 years prison
A $10,000 debt to the victim.
Compulsory rehabilitation.
Parole, but no sex offender registration.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,638
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,642
@266,632 (Homestar !RUNNERV7vk)
No sex offender registration? I can't agree with that. State run rehabilitation is easily manipulated. I think allowing that person to live near a school is a bad idea. That's like taking an alcoholic to a bar every night.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,643
@266,638 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
doubtful. most would have a visceral response upon witnessing such torment. the salary would have to be enormous.
Homestar !RUNNERV7vk replied with this 15 years ago, 34 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,644
@266,642 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
No public registration. E.G. No being paraded around on the internet for all to see.
Police/parole officers can still use discretion to decide where a convict could live.
Anonymous L joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 56 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,645
Put the perpetrator on the receiving end of the goosh goosh.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 15 years ago, 13 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,646
@266,642 (Ph !SQAJbBZk/o)
it makes it much harder to find stable housing.
Ph !SQAJbBZk/o replied with this 15 years ago, 26 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,647
@266,644 (Homestar !RUNNERV7vk)
Ok I can get behind that. I think the whole "Scarlet Letter" type of punishment is archaic. I can't recall which, but I think there is a state that has specific license plates for sex offenders.
Homestar !RUNNERV7vk replied with this 15 years ago, 55 seconds later, 3 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,648
> the female is the one that gets pregnant, she chooses it, so it ain't that bad
What the fuck am I reading?
Anonymous N joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 37 minutes later, 6 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,728
They should be raped in turn by a HUGE HONORABLE AFRICAN AMERICAN.
NO LUBE.
Anonymous O joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 7 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,729
A cup of tea and a cream bun.
jump joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 8 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,735
Punishment is so barbaric. Should we chop off people's hands for stealing?
Punishment doesn't work. When a person becomes dangerous to society, they must be locked away to protect society.
If someone is dangerous, as demonstrated by their actions, then they should be locked away until they are no longer a danger.
Keep having your torture fantasies, if you want. I think it's disgusting, personally.
Then again, I'm not a bigot/
hurr replied with this 15 years ago, 19 minutes later, 9 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,737
@previous (jump) > Punishment doesn't work.
ah, but removing man parts DOES work when the crime is some form of rape
cry more pedo
dw !AIy/L67q.s joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 13 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,802
that depends on what country we are talking about
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 52 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,823
I dunno, sex offender registry seems to be about the only punishnent the pedo fears. "lock me up for a bit, charge me a fine or make me pay restitution! (haha, the have no idea i'd feel it would be worth it!) but please, please STOP making us register as sex offenders! Anything but that!"
It's kinda sick that you guys suggest a punishment so easy to write off as the cost of sex with a child. "i can afford it. Okay, as long as no one finds out about it i can go to jail for child rape. It'll be all good as long a the fine is only 10 grand and i don't have to register. That's a snap!"
I'll only do it once...
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Anonymous R joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 7 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,825
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
You just went full retard.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 14 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,827
But to be honest I'm not sure how much of a deterrent the sex offender's register actually is. So often stories appear of people arrested for sex crimes who were already registered sex offenders.
Not saying it shouldn't exist, because I suppose it does help keep them away from kids to a degree.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,834
@266,825 (R)
Not at all, it's like speeding. Sure, the law says not to, but a ticket is just a minor penalty. In fact cash money is such a minor fine that i assme a small number of tickets and fines to be part of the cost of driving however i like. Sure it may cost me a couple of hundred bucks sometimes, but at least i'm not stuck doing 55 on the highway. I go 80 because i want to, and can afford it.
And if child rape was a short time in jail and a somewhat hefty fine, i'm sure there are pedos out there that would see 5 years and 10 k as just the cost of raping those lolis you've had your eye on.
But pedos really don't like the sex registry, seems to be te only thing that scares them.
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,838
> No public registration. E.G. No being paraded around on the internet for all to see. > Police/parole officers can still use discretion to decide where a convict could live.
Speaking from the US perspective...
Criminal records are already public. The sex offender registry simply makes it easier to find in one place, instead of having to search individual counties' websites for records, or having access to a legal database. The information is already there.
I think some crimes are so offensive to public morality, and represent such a danger to the community, that greater warning and publicity of the offense is justified. As long as the 'shaming' element isn't the primary motivation, I don't see the problem with it. We've already made the decision that people's criminal records should be known, and already use the incentive of sealing/expunging/etc. to encourage those who commit various crimes to plead down, or cooperate with probation, etc.
I think it goes too far though, some relatively minor offenses can land one on the registry depending on where you live. The problem, though, is that prosecutors will often allow terrible offenses to plead down to this level simply to avoid trial; many who actually raped a child do end up with a much lesser offense on their record. But it's that way for every type of crime.
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Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,846
No, I mean your opinion is ridiculous. Pedophiles aren't "terrified" of the Sex Offenders Registry; other sex offenders are, because of an assumption by most people that everybody on the registry is a pedophile. Likewise, your assertion that they would willingly trade thousands upon thousands of dollars and ten years in prison for child rape is moronic. Nobody rapes a child, or commits any crime for that matter, thinking "Oh, X years isn't so long. My life savings isn't such a high price. My reputation doesn't mean shit. I don't need to worry about being hired in future."
They either do the crime after convincing themselves that they can get away with it or they do it without any sort of thought process at all.
This is also why the death penalty and other sick fuck torture-punishment schemes don't work, people. Absolutely no criminal will ever consider the punishment relevant to their decision to commit crime. They'll never be caught, after all. Only rehabilitation can help people who think in these terms.
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 16 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,848
No, not only those. The systematic and methodical torture of any living creature, regardless of its crimes or sins, is instinctively repulsive to most people I think. The reason I think this is the fact that the death penalty and torture are illegal in almost every civilized country.
I hope you won't fall back on "Oh, you're just a pedo, lol!!" and inanities like that, because your posts so far have been well-written and argued. I just disagree with you on this issue, that's all. I also think your logic is flawed. You say that only pedophiles will have a problem with torturing pedophiles. Does this mean that only Jews have a problem with the Holocaust? Only blacks object to racism against blacks? And so on, ad infinitum.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 25 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,862
@266,846 (R)
People just write off the idea of deterrence so blindly, and it makes me shake my head. You honestly don't think the idea that one could get punished enters into anyone's mind when they contemplate whether they'd like to commit a crime or not? Clearly it's less certain what effect specific punishments have, but general deterrence is so obvious and logical to me...?
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,863
@266,855 (DGH)
But pedophiles aren't a race. Racial discrimination isn't cool, it's just plain wrong. But pedophiles are a sickness that transcend race.
Why do you want to defend child raping pederasses? Are you a criminal defense attorney trying to earn your wings?
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DGH (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 15 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,866
> But pedophiles aren't a race. Racial discrimination isn't cool, it's just plain wrong. But pedophiles are a sickness that transcend race. > > Why do you want to defend child raping pederasses? Are you a criminal defense attorney trying to earn your wings?
So if you acknowledge that it's a "sickness" (your word, not mine), do you really think torturing someone to death is an appropriate action for a civilised society to take? Do you advocate the same for paranoid schizophrenics and suchlike?
I am not "defending" pedophilia. I am arguing against torturing people. You really don't see a difference?
Anonymous T joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,867
LAKAWANNA HOBOKEN NJ
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squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 17 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,868
@266,866 (DGH)
I mean sick in the colloquial sense of "sick fuck." it's not like they have cancer -they are cancer.
And i'm sure cancer feels unjustly persecuted by chemotherapy.
misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY replied with this 15 years ago, 21 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,877
@266,866 (DGH)
This is another thing as well. The majority of people these days accept that gays, are born gay, right? Then surely a peadophile is born a peadophile, they don't choose to be that way. Should we therefore not consider it a mental illness or something? Obviously I'm not saying being homosexual is a mental illness, but y'all get my point I'm sure.
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,878
> You honestly don't think the idea that one could get punished enters into anyone's mind when they contemplate whether they'd like to commit a crime or not?
If the crime is premeditated then sure, it passes through their heads. But then they come up with their plan for the perfect crime and brush that thought aside. This attitude only increases in magnitude as the heinousness of the crime increases. I'll admit that I've committed crime before, when I was younger. The potential punishments didn't mean shit to me right up until the moment I got caught, at which point the penny dropped; and it dropped far too late for me.
So-called "deterrence" might work if only to reassure people who wouldn't actually commit the crime that they shouldn't be committing said crime. I'm sure you've wished violence and death on people yourself in day-to-day living... everybody does. However, if somebody wants to murder somebody, and actually means to go through with it, then the fact they could be hung or shot if they were caught won't mean anything to them other than "Well, better make sure I'm not caught then".
There are two types of criminals: hobby and necessitous. The first one can be solved with plain therapy. They usually do it because it causes a rush, because it's fun. Rehabilitation can be achieved simply by working through the problems causing this kind of behaviour. Would a shoplifter or a burglar be better served or more useful to his community long-term by having his hands chopped off instead of that? The second one can be solved through education. The socio-economic influence in crime is clear: poverty breeds lawlessness. If you give the gang member an education; a trade, a work ethic and a chance, and they might escape the life of poverty and "crime to survive" that got them there in the first place.
Please note I'm talking about crime in general in this passage, and not specifically rape... but I think that even a majority of rapists and murderers can be rehabilitated and made useful to society and go on to have fulfilled lives* free of the demons that influenced them to such a degree that they commit such a horrible crime. Attitudes need to change if we want to quash crime. Capital punishment was only outlawed in the West in the last 100 years, which means that the previous 2,000 years in which capital punishment was in place utterly failed to stem the tide. We've outlawed the method but kept the mentality, and it's badly in need of an update.
misterbones !LcHrgT2NWY replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,882
> Capital punishment was only outlawed in the West in the last 100 years, which means that the previous 2,000 years in which capital punishment was in place utterly failed to stem the tide. We've outlawed the method but kept the mentality, and it's badly in need of an update.
QFT
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,886
@266,878 (R)
Sociopaths aren't rehabilitatable. They are sociopaths. Sometimes the only option is either permanent imprisonment or death.
Some evil you can't cry away in therapy.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 15 years ago, 5 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,896
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
that's something entirely different. most pedophiles (not child molesters) are normal people. they don't lack empathy and aren't hurting anyone with their thoughts.
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DGH (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,899
> Sociopaths aren't rehabilitatable. They are sociopaths. Sometimes the only option is either permanent imprisonment or death. >
Ok, I can agree with this. But do you still contend that they should therefore be unnecessarily tortured? I mean 'unnecessarily' in the sense that it will, by your own admission, achieve precisely nothing productive. Removing an irredeemable sociopath (if such a person hypothetically exists) from society is fine with me. But torturing them? I ask you - for what? What will it achieve?
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 9 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,916
@266,896 (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
Even worse. At least a sociopath has a genuine personality disorder -child rapists know they are hurting kids and do it anyway! At least the "normal" ones do, you know, the kind with empathy.
Sure, maybe a sociopathic child rapist is dangerous becuase they don't care, but one that does care is far, far more desperate, dangerous, and disturbed.
It's like the old addage, "don't fear the sickly sick, for they are merely diseased. Instead fear the sickly healthy, for they are sick for no apparent reason."
It was something like that.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc double-posted this 15 years ago, 54 seconds later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,918
This is an attack on therapy (via an implication that it lacks immediate results and is "touchy-feely" and therefore useless) and by extension my entire view. Not only that, but you are in no way qualified to make such a statement. I hereby invite you to "get fucked".
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,927
DGH (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,939
Yeah, me too, I'm out of this now, not worth carrying on with this asshole anymore. Interesting while it lasted but when all else has failed and when his arguments have been questioned, Squeegee has fallen back on the usual 1-line chan memes.
Take it easy Squeegee. Here, let me write your next message for you, save you some time: "Lol, u mad bro, LOL!!" Just copy and paste that.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,940
@previous (DGH)
But you don't seem mad though. Are you?
Why? What'd i do?
I thought you were enjoying having a discussion about child rapists.
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DGH (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 8 minutes later, 18 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,949
Well yeah, I was, but if your entire argument for why we should torture people is "Entertainment", then it's stopped being a sensible discussion.
It has, however, become an ironic one, given that the person who wants to torture people for "entertainment" is the very person reacting with righteous apoplexy at the idea of 'sociopaths'.
But anyway, long story short, there's nowhere further for this discussion to go. Take it easy dude.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,951
@previous (DGH)
Entertainment is just part of it. The other half is for justice. And i don't have a problem with sociopaths, they're fine by me as long as they aren't raping kids. Soon as that happens they can get in the bronze bull too. You misunderstand me, i'm only advocating the torture and killing of child rapists. What's the problem?
Anonymous C replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,954
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc double-posted this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,960
@266,956 (J)
But the crime was child rape. Do you think a child doesn't consider being raped torture? Did the rapist not fuck that kid up for life -ruined their life, and caused extreme heartache and pain? Maybe you're a sociopath if you think raping a child isn't torturous or life destroying.
The bronze bull fits the crime.
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Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,962
@previous (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Were you raped as a child? Or somebody close to you?
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,963
@previous (J)
Nope, but i've seen law and order SVU
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,964
Anonymous U joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 4 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,965
I believe they should have their testies/ovaries and larger intestines force fed to them as they are raped by a bladed dildo.
Anonymous U double-posted this 15 years ago, 52 seconds later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,967
@266,960 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Being a victim of child rape more than once, I agree. Let them burn.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,971
@previous (U)
See, anonymous j? There's your anecdotal evidence.
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 19 hours after the original post[^][v]#266,974
@266,967 (U)
How has your rape effected your life? What has become of your rapist?
DGH (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 2 hours later, 21 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,103
OK Squeegee, one last question - if you were asked, could you be the person to personally torture a pedophile? Don't just give a generic, emotive, 1-line Chan-worthy response, please think about it first. Could you carry out the torture of, for example, someone like Andrey Chikatilo, i.e, a sadistic, desensitized child-raping murderer?
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 20 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,118
@previous (DGH)
Well, yeah. Do you need me to elaborate? I mean, they'd need to pay me if they wanted it done during working hours, but i'd be willing to go probono if they let me do it on my free time. I guess it's a matter of timing more than anything.
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 6 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,124
Am I to assume you've given up defending your stance?
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 7 seconds later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,151
@267,145 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Do you not read or something?
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,152
@267,148 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
There needs to be a time when one questions whether their emotion are logically valid. The poster is doing themselves no favours by continuing to be scared of men.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 10 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,157
@267,150 (DGH)
I have not even begun to begin defending my stance! @267,151 (R)
You're obviously not big into subtlety are you. The innocence of the person is irrelevant, I was given a pedophile and asked to kill a pedophile. So, I killed a pedophile. After the fact information doesn't change my perception of the events prior to this discovery. They were a pedophile when I killed them, not innocent. If anything, what you have is a problem with management, someone really dropped the ball on this one. But don't throw this on me, bud! I'm not the judge, i'm just the executioner! I did my job, don't ball me out because someone else failed to do theirs for fucks sake.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,158
@267,152 (J)
I don't think anyone likes going through life wounded and I agree it's helpful to move on, but telling a victim of child rape they are "stupid" for feeling the way they do is quite a dick thing to say imo.
kook !nH6RAuX8mo replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,160
@267,145 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
you're using the word pedophile when you really mean child molester.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 22 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,162
@previous (kook !nH6RAuX8mo)
6 in one hand, half a dozen in the other
derp replied with this 15 years ago, 1 minute later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,163
lol @pedo samefaggotry
Anonymous J replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,168
@267,158 (cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc)
There's a difference between being a stupid person and behaving stupidly. Pointing out that one is behaving stupidly is a good catalyst for change.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,172
> Assuming facts is a contradiction in terms, but leaving that aside for a moment
were you ever going to come back to this, or can we just leave it at "colloquialism."
Anonymous A (OP) replied with this 15 years ago, 12 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,174
Fucking YES, finally a 100-post thread!
Squeegee, fuck off you pedo-cunt, you bored me from the start, I just kept you going for my own end.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,176
The brazen bull, bronze bull, or Sicilian bull, was a torture and execution device designed in ancient Greece. Its inventor, metal worker Perillos of Athens, proposed it to Phalaris, the tyrant of Akragas, Sicily, as a new means of executing pedophiles. The bull was made entirely of bronze, hollow, with a door in one side. The condemned were locked in the bull, and a fire was set under it, heating the metal until it became yellow-hot and causing the person inside to roast to death.
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Anonymous W joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 26 minutes later, 23 hours after the original post[^][v]#267,190
Castration and penectomy, obviously.
Anonymous R replied with this 15 years ago, 4 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,259
@267,157 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc)
Are you actually retarded or something?
Anonymous X joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 11 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,260
@267,176 (squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc) > ancient Greece > executing pedophiles
LOL'd
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 37 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,264
@267,259 (R)
I'm just trying to do my job, I was hired to execute a pedophile. That's all that matters. That, and how well executed they were. I would've done a good job.
Anonymous Z-1 joined in and replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,320
@267,259 (R)
Yes, he is. Just ignore him. He even changed his name because people had begun to ignore his old name.
Anonymous Z-1 double-posted this 15 years ago, 2 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,322
@266,538 (DGH) > Almost nobody has a problem with adults being punished for allowing them to do so.
Many people have a problem with this.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,335
Anonymous W replied with this 15 years ago, 42 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,340
@267,260 (X)
They did execute pedophiles, but to them it wasn't pedophilia after the age of puberty.
squeegee !hbZVTk6JYc replied with this 15 years ago, 3 minutes later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,341
@267,320 (Z-1)
And you're a liar, that's not even true. I changed my name becuase anon hated my old one and asked me to change. Do i really need to cite the relevant threads for you? I wouldn't have changed it if not for whiny anon faggots being bitchy.
Cry more, i'm not changing it again.
cccuuunnttt !CaTLdYmooc replied with this 15 years ago, 1 hour later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,367
@266,878 (R)
I don't believe in deterrence strictly--I also see value in retribution, and mere incapacitation of a criminal for a period of time is useful in itself.
I'm very skeptical of rehabilitation. Partially this may be due to the fact that it's never really been attempted on a wide scale, but I've yet to see much evidence that there are specific steps the state can take to rehabilitate criminals. "Therapy"? There's not even much proof that therapy works to help people's depression or marriages (actually, going into marriage counseling is about the worst thing a couple can do if they'd like to stay married), let alone turning around a committed criminal who is undergoing such treatment involuntarily.
Even if there were, I question the economic efficiency of it. With limited resources, I would very much resent more state money going to talk about a sex offender's childhood as opposed to education or other services for people who have managed to not rape children. That's one of the arguments in favor of the sex offender registry, actually--it's pretty cheap.
> There are two types of criminals: hobby and necessitous.
I think that's a gross oversimplification.
> We've outlawed the method but kept the mentality, and it's badly in need of an update.
Why? What evidence is there that your method is better, besides it sounding "nicer"? You truly think therapy & education will fix everyone, will be economically efficient, and will serve people's desire to see criminals punished (which, IMO, is a perfectly valid reason for punishment)? Keep in mind that the justice system relies in part on an implicit contract between people and the state--people turn over their right to exact vengeance for wrongs committed against them, in return for the state offering a reasonably just system for dealing with the offenders. Nice thoughts about criminals' bad childhoods and how wrong our mentality is don't help much when victims of crime quite naturally expect something bad to happen to their victimizers.
Anonymous Z-1 replied with this 15 years ago, 6 hours later, 1 day after the original post[^][v]#267,679